The EU Cyber Resilience Act will effectively make open-source software illegal, and that sure as hell isn’t pro-consumer. Neither is all the spooky surveillance and crippled cryptography they keep trying to mandate.
Yeah, it’s always very two sided with the EU. On the one hand it brings forward a lot of progressive and positive change, on the other hand it’s used to “quietly” walk around the local political climate. Political actors push unpopular things on the EU level, but as soon as people catch wind of it, they market themselves as always having disagreed with them. They often keep pushing for it anyway, because people really don’t notice things on the EU level. Everybody only ever pays attention to the national sphere of politics.
In German politics it’s often the case that high-ranking national politicians that “fail” in the public eye are pushed higher up into the EU level. Take Ursula von der Leyen for example. Too many scandals in Germany, immediately pushed out of the way and now holds an important position in the EU.
Really? According to this site they claim that “The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity.” While that could be a broad scope, I don’t think it applies to most FOSS. Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don’t really see issues there.
Are there other parts of the law that ban FOSS? Or is that site too pro EU and glosses over the bad parts?
According to this site they claim that “The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity.”
Almost all FOSS development happens as part of a commercial activity.
The most obvious example is of course corporate sponsorship of FOSS projects, but even things like pull requests submitted to FOSS libraries by corporate employees qualify as “develop[ment] in the course of commercial activity”.
Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don’t really see issues there.
Linux does not and cannot comply with the demands of the Cyber Resilience Act. For example, the Act demands automatic update installation, which within a kernel is infeasible and unsafe. Linux will be illegal in the EU.
Furthermore, no company in its right mind is going to sponsor, or allow its employees to contribute to, any FOSS project if doing so creates the risk of fines. All corporate sponsorship of and contribution to FOSS projects—which, once again, is responsible for almost all FOSS development—will completely and instantly disappear in the EU, severely damaging the worldwide FOSS movement.
Needless to say, this proposal is catastrophically bad.
Sure, in prison too everything just works, plus you have 3 meals a day and a lot of spare time. You just get fucked by some stronger dude any time he wants.
And that’s exactly Apple: it fucks you any time he wants.
Want the new OS on your totally capable 2017 pc? Fuck you
Want to use your warranty but you used an off brand charger onca at your friend’s house? Fuck you
That would be 2000$
fuckin a how god damn stupid are you? this “green bubble” shit is hilarious, you want to suck Tim Cooks cock so fucking bad you are making up pejoratives for people not using an iPhone, how much of a fucking cuck do you have to be?
oh I KNOW you are a massive fucking cuck no question about that one, you have your head so far up your ass you think this makes you cool, when it just makes you a fucking dweeb.
Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
…green bubbles are because apple doesn’t want to move forward with everyone else, they want to have their own walled garden so that people like you say exactly what you just said. their lightning connector is quite literally an outgrowth of usb-c before usb-c was even done, as far as that issue goes its apple trying to go backwards not the rest of the industry. the rest of the industry moved past proprietary charging connectors almost 15 years ago.
Like i dont care if you use an iphone it’s like complaining that you use chrome instead of firefox, its just stupid. So why do you apple people care that I use a samsung?
Ok? It looks pretty cool. I’m really not anti apple like you think I am lol. I’d be more concerned about preordering in general than it being apple but I’m not going to berate you for it or anything.
I mean I probably won’t since it’s like $3500 but like, ok? You act like I’m telling you not to buy it. I have a quest 2 and had a rift in 2016, I am already on board with vr/ar, you don’t need to convince me. If I had the money I’d have had a hololens in like 2016.
“Because everyone is happy with that, so I’ll say nay and that will make me automatically edgy and cool and girls will fling their pussy at me and maybe daddy will come back home”
That makes sense! And you’re also funny and smart, so I’m sure you’ll figure out how to replace your phone battery when all your girlfriends will be doing the same.
I’m waiting to see how this shakes out. I think all products should be self-serviceable and parts, tools, and documentation should be readily available.
What bothers me about the EU legislation is that it’s worded in a way that implies someone like my mom (who can barely USE an iPhone, let alone service one) should be able to replace her own batteries. That will very likely result in product designs that are bulkier, heavier, more fragile, and less resistant to the environment (water, dust, etc)… e.g. snap-in batteries. That is not a future I want. I have no problem opening a phone, tablet, or laptop and replacing the battery now… I just don’t want companies throwing up artificial barriers to that, like invalidating my warranty, disabling OS features or activating nags, or withholding parts, specs, or information.
It doesn’t really change, the same people are voted over and over and over like in most democracies. To some extend the EU is even antidemocratic, since people don’t really have a saying in who’s the president.
As an US citizen, I pretty much count on EU regulations to protect me since my own government is too rife with fascist agitators and oligarchs to respond to the needs of the people.
This opinion reminds me a bit of Covid. I live in NJ, and was often grateful that our governor (Phil Murphy, Democrat) tried to protect us from Trump’s idiocy. He actually accepts science, unlike some other governors.
What idiotic Trump COVID policies did he protect you from specifically?
The only reason I ask is because a lot of the COVID denier conservatives I have to listen to in my community (deep red state) have repeatedly expressed disappointment in Trump for “trusting the experts” about COVID, pushing the vaccines, or some other nonsense.
So it’s interesting to see you express that Trump didn’t do enough to trust the science when I have to repeatedly listen to complain that he followed the science too much. Lol
I never claimed that Murphy protected us from specific policies. What he didn’t do was endorse a deworming drug to fight a virus, or question medical experts. That was reassuring.
Did you actually do your research on that “deworming drug”? It’s been used to treat a hell of a lot more than parasites. That is just its most common use.
This has always been funny to me as someone who actually works in healthcare and regularly reads scientific studies. Of all the things you could choose to hate Trump over, the example you give is one that plenty of people in the scientific community considered to be a treatment avenue worth researching.
Damn, the media propaganda machine is effective. Trump could run into a burning building to save a litter of puppies and they’d still find a way to make everyone hate the guy. It’s impressive.
Worth researching, yeah maybe. Covid was new, there was no medicine against it, so you’d expect any worthwhile scientist to throw whatever they got at the wall to see what would stick.
But it’s a whole different story between scientists testing something in a study and a non-medically-trained politician recommending the non-medically-trained public to off-label self-medicate with a drug that hasn’t been tested, with no dosage recommendations and with no medical oversight.
As someone who works in healthcare and regularly reads scientific studies you should know the difference.
Yes. I did. Please show me a reputable, peer-reviewed study showing any evidence of Ivermectin efficacy in treating viral infection. Just one. Go on, we’ll wait.
What I do know is that over the counter equine Ivermectin should never be consumed by humans, and that this spate of idiocy gave science way more data than they ever asked for on the deleterious effects of Ivermectin toxicity in humans, including blindness and death.
But go on, tell us all about how you’re the expert.
I’m hearing mixed things on how impacted Apple will be re:batteries, since they already sell replacement kits to the users. It sounds like they may just need to make them available to all member states? Not sure if anyone has actual insight beyond reading a headline.
You need to be able to open it with commercially available tools or ones provided by the manufacturer. This isn’t to bring back swappable batteries, only replaceable ones.
You mean the GDPR, the amazing piece of legislation that allows any user to see all the tracking websites do and even allows the user to limit said tracking, just by deselecting some toggle switches?
Incidentally, it’s mostly people who know NOTHING about technology who keep complaining that it’s sooo hard to click a button.
Overwhelming people with information doesn’t work, never worked. Do you think the majority of people in Europe care about accepting all the consents that come up when they open a web page? Incidentally they don’t come up when they open the web through their phone application, which is what majority of people browse.
The EU legislators don’t know tech, and don’t understand people. I am pro-eu like most of my countrymen but it’s absurd not to critize some of their choices, even if they have good intentions.
What, other than profit, is stopping big companies like this from stopping support in the EU if most of their sales are in the US? Would the redevelopment be worth it?
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The EU Cyber Resilience Act will effectively make open-source software illegal, and that sure as hell isn’t pro-consumer. Neither is all the spooky surveillance and crippled cryptography they keep trying to mandate.
Yeah, it’s always very two sided with the EU. On the one hand it brings forward a lot of progressive and positive change, on the other hand it’s used to “quietly” walk around the local political climate. Political actors push unpopular things on the EU level, but as soon as people catch wind of it, they market themselves as always having disagreed with them. They often keep pushing for it anyway, because people really don’t notice things on the EU level. Everybody only ever pays attention to the national sphere of politics.
In German politics it’s often the case that high-ranking national politicians that “fail” in the public eye are pushed higher up into the EU level. Take Ursula von der Leyen for example. Too many scandals in Germany, immediately pushed out of the way and now holds an important position in the EU.
How exactly is open source illegal?
I mean… lol
How are they even gonna enforce that?
Probably the same way they’ll enforce their upcoming ban on encryption (yes really).
Fines, gigantic fines since people seem to love those.
Really? According to this site they claim that “The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity.” While that could be a broad scope, I don’t think it applies to most FOSS. Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don’t really see issues there.
Are there other parts of the law that ban FOSS? Or is that site too pro EU and glosses over the bad parts?
Almost all FOSS development happens as part of a commercial activity.
The most obvious example is of course corporate sponsorship of FOSS projects, but even things like pull requests submitted to FOSS libraries by corporate employees qualify as “develop[ment] in the course of commercial activity”.
Linux does not and cannot comply with the demands of the Cyber Resilience Act. For example, the Act demands automatic update installation, which within a kernel is infeasible and unsafe. Linux will be illegal in the EU.
Furthermore, no company in its right mind is going to sponsor, or allow its employees to contribute to, any FOSS project if doing so creates the risk of fines. All corporate sponsorship of and contribution to FOSS projects—which, once again, is responsible for almost all FOSS development—will completely and instantly disappear in the EU, severely damaging the worldwide FOSS movement.
Needless to say, this proposal is catastrophically bad.
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We found the Stockholm Syndrome guy
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Sure, in prison too everything just works, plus you have 3 meals a day and a lot of spare time. You just get fucked by some stronger dude any time he wants.
And that’s exactly Apple: it fucks you any time he wants.
Want the new OS on your totally capable 2017 pc? Fuck you
Want to use your warranty but you used an off brand charger onca at your friend’s house? Fuck you
That would be 2000$
Testimony: I use a 2015 iGPU rig with an i5 6500 and 16gb ddr4.
Runs well, I can do all sorts of things on it.
If some game doesn’t run well and I got cash, I’m taking a bus to SP road and buying a good used GPU.
Cheap, reliable, serviceable. Only 1 of which apple’s products are.
I’m not even sure I’d consider them reliable with the number of Apple fanboys reminding me that I -must- buy the extended warranty.
Hrm. Interesting. I’ve almost never had to warranty my other stuff…
Haha true
However, I’ve had this “apple experience” with xiaomi too
I just unlocked the bootloader and side loaded another OS after a year of no regular nor security updates
Apple hardware is rather shoddy, so yeah, an extended warranty probably is warranted.
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fuckin a how god damn stupid are you? this “green bubble” shit is hilarious, you want to suck Tim Cooks cock so fucking bad you are making up pejoratives for people not using an iPhone, how much of a fucking cuck do you have to be?
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oh I KNOW you are a massive fucking cuck no question about that one, you have your head so far up your ass you think this makes you cool, when it just makes you a fucking dweeb.
Up until you want to do anything Apple doesn’t approve of. Like, say, sideload apps that aren’t in the app store. Or install an alternate OS. Or get root access to your own damn device. Or swap out parts yourself. Or anything beyond being a boring-ass social media consumer.
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Forcing you to “jailbreak” your own device is insulting. Why the hell are you not insulted by that?
We are all laughing at you, not angry at you.
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Aren’t you the one with green bubbles? I can set them to whatever color I want.
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or keep using your device after you dropped it. or keep using the same device long enough for the battery to wear out. or use the same charger on your phone as you would use on any other device.
it’s frickin ludicrous how apple users whose devices break prematurely just go and buy another device from apple, as opposed to doing the sane thing and buying from a different company. like after my lenovo laptop wiped its own bios on a forced “upgrade” i’m sure as fuck not buying lenovo, but if an apple device encountered the same error 9 out of 10 users would just go and wire daddy tim apple another $1500 for a replacement. like wtf, why would they not enforce failures if that’s how their users behave
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It’s not “no cost to me” if you paid for apple care
I think apple is more subtle and long term about it. Microsoft just straight up slams it in your face.
Apple not being anti-consumer is the weirdest opinion I read on lemmy…for now…
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…green bubbles are because apple doesn’t want to move forward with everyone else, they want to have their own walled garden so that people like you say exactly what you just said. their lightning connector is quite literally an outgrowth of usb-c before usb-c was even done, as far as that issue goes its apple trying to go backwards not the rest of the industry. the rest of the industry moved past proprietary charging connectors almost 15 years ago.
Like i dont care if you use an iphone it’s like complaining that you use chrome instead of firefox, its just stupid. So why do you apple people care that I use a samsung?
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whatever you say dude, I’m glad you like your iphone.
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Ok? It looks pretty cool. I’m really not anti apple like you think I am lol. I’d be more concerned about preordering in general than it being apple but I’m not going to berate you for it or anything.
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I mean I probably won’t since it’s like $3500 but like, ok? You act like I’m telling you not to buy it. I have a quest 2 and had a rift in 2016, I am already on board with vr/ar, you don’t need to convince me. If I had the money I’d have had a hololens in like 2016.
Fuck the EU and forcing me to have a removable battery. It’s fucking stupid. USB C was cool though.
For real fuck them the ass with a hot rod. I do not want your shitty shitty removable batteries.
I mean I see what are you doing with your comments… But still what on earth could you possible have against removable batteries?
“Because everyone is happy with that, so I’ll say nay and that will make me automatically edgy and cool and girls will fling their pussy at me and maybe daddy will come back home”
That makes sense! And you’re also funny and smart, so I’m sure you’ll figure out how to replace your phone battery when all your girlfriends will be doing the same.
Fatter phones. It takes 15 minutes to replace the current batteries.
I’m waiting to see how this shakes out. I think all products should be self-serviceable and parts, tools, and documentation should be readily available.
What bothers me about the EU legislation is that it’s worded in a way that implies someone like my mom (who can barely USE an iPhone, let alone service one) should be able to replace her own batteries. That will very likely result in product designs that are bulkier, heavier, more fragile, and less resistant to the environment (water, dust, etc)… e.g. snap-in batteries. That is not a future I want. I have no problem opening a phone, tablet, or laptop and replacing the battery now… I just don’t want companies throwing up artificial barriers to that, like invalidating my warranty, disabling OS features or activating nags, or withholding parts, specs, or information.
A removable battery bullied him as a kid
How is it that billion dollar tech companies haven’t infiltrated the EU leadership yet?
The “EU leadership” changes every few years, through something called democracy.
You cant just pay off 1 person
It doesn’t really change, the same people are voted over and over and over like in most democracies. To some extend the EU is even antidemocratic, since people don’t really have a saying in who’s the president.
Sure, but that explains nothing.
Things like the new right to repair laws will hit everyone.
Most Android phone manufacturers have been sealing in their batteries as well, and Android is 2/3 of the European phone market.
As an US citizen, I pretty much count on EU regulations to protect me since my own government is too rife with fascist agitators and oligarchs to respond to the needs of the people.
This opinion reminds me a bit of Covid. I live in NJ, and was often grateful that our governor (Phil Murphy, Democrat) tried to protect us from Trump’s idiocy. He actually accepts science, unlike some other governors.
What idiotic Trump COVID policies did he protect you from specifically? The only reason I ask is because a lot of the COVID denier conservatives I have to listen to in my community (deep red state) have repeatedly expressed disappointment in Trump for “trusting the experts” about COVID, pushing the vaccines, or some other nonsense. So it’s interesting to see you express that Trump didn’t do enough to trust the science when I have to repeatedly listen to complain that he followed the science too much. Lol
I never claimed that Murphy protected us from specific policies. What he didn’t do was endorse a deworming drug to fight a virus, or question medical experts. That was reassuring.
Dont forget injecting bleach.
Did you actually do your research on that “deworming drug”? It’s been used to treat a hell of a lot more than parasites. That is just its most common use.
This has always been funny to me as someone who actually works in healthcare and regularly reads scientific studies. Of all the things you could choose to hate Trump over, the example you give is one that plenty of people in the scientific community considered to be a treatment avenue worth researching.
Damn, the media propaganda machine is effective. Trump could run into a burning building to save a litter of puppies and they’d still find a way to make everyone hate the guy. It’s impressive.
You must be trolling
I did enough research to know that Ivermectin is ineffective against viruses. Remarking on “the media propaganda machine” won’t change that.
Worth researching, yeah maybe. Covid was new, there was no medicine against it, so you’d expect any worthwhile scientist to throw whatever they got at the wall to see what would stick.
But it’s a whole different story between scientists testing something in a study and a non-medically-trained politician recommending the non-medically-trained public to off-label self-medicate with a drug that hasn’t been tested, with no dosage recommendations and with no medical oversight.
As someone who works in healthcare and regularly reads scientific studies you should know the difference.
Lol what a load of shit. That asshole deserves every ounce of vitriol directed at him and more. No one “tricked” us into hating his stupid guts.
Yes. I did. Please show me a reputable, peer-reviewed study showing any evidence of Ivermectin efficacy in treating viral infection. Just one. Go on, we’ll wait.
What I do know is that over the counter equine Ivermectin should never be consumed by humans, and that this spate of idiocy gave science way more data than they ever asked for on the deleterious effects of Ivermectin toxicity in humans, including blindness and death.
But go on, tell us all about how you’re the expert.
Now if only they did the same antitrust they did with Microsoft back in the day but targeting Google.
… or targeting Microsoft again too
Both is good.
I’m hearing mixed things on how impacted Apple will be re:batteries, since they already sell replacement kits to the users. It sounds like they may just need to make them available to all member states? Not sure if anyone has actual insight beyond reading a headline.
You need to be able to Open the phone without tools to swap the battery with the new law
I would like my phone to stay somewhat water proof. This will make that very difficult.
You need to be able to open it with commercially available tools or ones provided by the manufacturer. This isn’t to bring back swappable batteries, only replaceable ones.
So we all end up with fatter phones that aren’t waterproof like we had in 2006?
Don’t forget that the EU is controlled by people who know NOTHING about technology. Case in point: the cookies.
You mean the GDPR, the amazing piece of legislation that allows any user to see all the tracking websites do and even allows the user to limit said tracking, just by deselecting some toggle switches?
Incidentally, it’s mostly people who know NOTHING about technology who keep complaining that it’s sooo hard to click a button.
Besides this: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/10/tech/eu-us-data-sharing-deal/index.html
Overwhelming people with information doesn’t work, never worked. Do you think the majority of people in Europe care about accepting all the consents that come up when they open a web page? Incidentally they don’t come up when they open the web through their phone application, which is what majority of people browse.
The EU legislators don’t know tech, and don’t understand people. I am pro-eu like most of my countrymen but it’s absurd not to critize some of their choices, even if they have good intentions.
Yeah but atleast they are trying
It was close to never happen again, i guess
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/07/19/scott-morton-an-american-economist-withdraws-from-running-for-a-key-eu-post-after-controve
What, other than profit, is stopping big companies like this from stopping support in the EU if most of their sales are in the US? Would the redevelopment be worth it?