using winget is a much safer and faster way to install new software. yes command prompt seems intimidating but it’s super easy, you don’t need 1337 hack0rz skillz to use it
Do you know why there are multiple packages named similar to the original ones? For example there are multiple Vim packages in the winget repository which makes it confusing.
You don’t have to know how to do it unless you want to install Firefox on Windows without ever having to open Edge. In that case, this is one way to do it.
I write at the moment, because the it’s good that microsoft finally has a package manager. But even though choco is community maintained, it’s quite good and has a lot things microsoft not yet has. But what annoys me the most with winget ist, that the package names outside of the store packages have horrible names. But you are correct, official is better.
Yeah I really like choco as well, I have my little script to keep softs updated, I haven’t spent much time with winget yet. I might be wrong but I think Choco installs software in specific folders instead of the usual C:\Programs or Appdata ?
You don’t have to know it, but it’s a good thing to know!
It’s actually easier than the other way once you learn how to use it (looking through search results to make sure it’s the official link, clicking through installers, having to think about updates, etc. vs. just opening a terminal and typing winget install whatever).
But the terminal intimidates people. So I expect this will mainly be used as an optional “tech tip” sort of thing.
It’s really nice. When you setup a new system, you don’t have to spend hours changing settings, configs, and installing packages. With NixOS, just copy the config file from your old system and then run nixos-rebuild.
I really wish the default template switches to flakes soon. Using flakes is a must for the best experience, and converting the default config is at best a hassle and for newbies a huge mountain to cross.
So the answer to your question is yes. It is possible and kind of required to go the full nix route with NixOS. It might not always be super straightforward with large DEs, and for sure works much better with window managers that already utilize text configuration.
I honestly don’t understand why it’s a snap by default now. I’ve never got it to really function the way I want as a snap. Puts a sour taste in my mouth for Ubuntu altogether.
Especially since snaps cause tons of problems, for some reason. I actually switched to Debian a while ago because the snap Firefox kept randomly forgetting history items, cookies, settings, etc.
Actually the non GUI Snaps are good. I still prefer not to use snaps but they are well done.
It’s just the software for the average user that starts to suck on Ubuntu. Their focus silently shifted to cloud and server, not desktop. And it shows
But why release it then? And with Firefox? I mean, if some weird niche application threw some errors under certain circumstances, fine, you can’t test everything. But Firefox? I mean, OSes are just browser-enablers these days and if Ubuntu sucks at this very basic thing, it’s garbage.
Yeah, sure. I still like to share this factoid, because not many people seem to be aware and it is pretty useful, if e.g. you want to quickly test Firefox Nightly or the new Thunderbird or whatever.
Yeah, as far as I can tell, when you right-click on an image and select “Save As…”, that’s just flat out broken on Ubuntu 22.04, due to it being shipped as a Snap.
And the Download-folder it uses, is in some random, deeply nested sub-directory of ~/snap/.
Yeah, Firefox even integrated this whole “desktop portal” concept, specifically for the file dialogs within containerized package formats.
No idea, why Canonical and/or Mozilla don’t have that working for Snaps…
Yep. I removed the snap and installed it from tarball. Automatic updates don’t work quite right so I just wrote a bash script that runs the update process for me.
apt is a newer tool that combines the functionality of apt-get and apt-cache. It’s not as backwards compatible but has a nicer more human readable output
Well, I wanted to express that it may differ between distros, but fair point that Firefox won’t be pre-installed on the server flavors of those distros.
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Is this something everyone should know to do? Or just style points for programmers?
using winget is a much safer and faster way to install new software. yes command prompt seems intimidating but it’s super easy, you don’t need 1337 hack0rz skillz to use it
Do you know why there are multiple packages named similar to the original ones? For example there are multiple Vim packages in the winget repository which makes it confusing.
More like sysadmins not programmers. I’ve met plenty of programmers that write brilliant code, but don’t know how to manage computers very well.
Gotcha. I don’t know the difference between all the techy jobs, you all just do various forms of magic to my muggle brain.
You don’t have to know how to do it unless you want to install Firefox on Windows without ever having to open Edge. In that case, this is one way to do it.
At the moment i like choco more than winget, so winget is now the tool to install choco???
winget uses official repos, choco uses its own community-maintained repo.
I write at the moment, because the it’s good that microsoft finally has a package manager. But even though choco is community maintained, it’s quite good and has a lot things microsoft not yet has. But what annoys me the most with winget ist, that the package names outside of the store packages have horrible names. But you are correct, official is better.
Yeah I really like choco as well, I have my little script to keep softs updated, I haven’t spent much time with winget yet. I might be wrong but I think Choco installs software in specific folders instead of the usual C:\Programs or Appdata ?
You don’t have to know it, but it’s a good thing to know!
It’s actually easier than the other way once you learn how to use it (looking through search results to make sure it’s the official link, clicking through installers, having to think about updates, etc. vs. just opening a terminal and typing
winget install whatever).But the terminal intimidates people. So I expect this will mainly be used as an optional “tech tip” sort of thing.
Downvote for using Windows.
I want to downvote and upvote this comment at the same time
Why can’t we do that, anyways?
Don’t you need to google the exact package name anyways?
winget search <query>Or just try to install, and it shows you what the package name is.
“package” :)
in case anyone wants the mac equivalent
brew install --cask firefoxof course first install xcode and brewMan I love WinGet I just hope they add multi-threaded download to speed up downloads also downloading while installing other applications
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Wtf
Oh no :(
Just casually having Firefox with plugins and settings described in my NixOS config.
https://github.com/pimeys/nixos/blob/main/desktop/firefox/default.nix
Works always the same.
Damn, nix is starting to look better each time I hear about it.
Man nix looks soo damn cool. I just dont know if id ever actually use it. But a versioned controlled OS seems so sweet.
Can you use it to choose desktop environment as well?
Yep. To change desktop environments, just change:
to
Wow. Im gonna try it out in a vm even if i have no use for it. That is crazy.
It’s really nice. When you setup a new system, you don’t have to spend hours changing settings, configs, and installing packages. With NixOS, just copy the config file from your old system and then run
nixos-rebuild.I really wish the default template switches to flakes soon. Using flakes is a must for the best experience, and converting the default config is at best a hassle and for newbies a huge mountain to cross.
This is cool because it gets rid of all the packages when you switch. There is nothing left of Gnome when you switch to KDE.
You can. I run sway and it is configured through nix:
https://github.com/pimeys/nixos/blob/main/desktop/sway/default.nix
Gnome design makes it a bit harder, but not impossible:
https://hoverbear.org/blog/declarative-gnome-configuration-in-nixos/
Somebody doing the same for KDE:
https://github.com/LunNova/nixos-configs/blob/dev/users/lun/on-nixos/kdeconfig.nix
So the answer to your question is yes. It is possible and kind of required to go the full nix route with NixOS. It might not always be super straightforward with large DEs, and for sure works much better with window managers that already utilize text configuration.
based windows
Real OSes come with Firefox pre-installed!
Cries in DIY distro
Legit me past week, had a misshap and had to reinstall windows, didn’t want the millions of installers so I just everything via winget
“I used Firefox to download Firefox”
“I used Firefox to download Firefox” - Thanos
The REAL real wax is brew/Flatpak install Firefox
Real. I just did that yesterday, uninstalled all that snap bullshit from kubuntu.
I honestly don’t understand why it’s a snap by default now. I’ve never got it to really function the way I want as a snap. Puts a sour taste in my mouth for Ubuntu altogether.
Especially since snaps cause tons of problems, for some reason. I actually switched to Debian a while ago because the snap Firefox kept randomly forgetting history items, cookies, settings, etc.
Actually the non GUI Snaps are good. I still prefer not to use snaps but they are well done. It’s just the software for the average user that starts to suck on Ubuntu. Their focus silently shifted to cloud and server, not desktop. And it shows
But why release it then? And with Firefox? I mean, if some weird niche application threw some errors under certain circumstances, fine, you can’t test everything. But Firefox? I mean, OSes are just browser-enablers these days and if Ubuntu sucks at this very basic thing, it’s garbage.
Canonical believes in Snap supremacy.
The worse thing is that is not even available as a .deb anymore (or is pretty well hidden).
You can download a .tar.bz2 from Mozilla’s webpage, which you can unpack and then just launch the
firefoxbinary inside it.But yeah, if you want proper integration into the desktop environment, it takes some manual steps, which a .deb would do for you.
If you are willing to download a .tar.bz2 from Mozilla, you can also download the .deb file from the Debian repos
Yeah, sure. I still like to share this factoid, because not many people seem to be aware and it is pretty useful, if e.g. you want to quickly test Firefox Nightly or the new Thunderbird or whatever.
Yeah, as far as I can tell, when you right-click on an image and select “Save As…”, that’s just flat out broken on Ubuntu 22.04, due to it being shipped as a Snap.
And the Download-folder it uses, is in some random, deeply nested sub-directory of
~/snap/.bruh, even in flatpak it works fine
Yeah, Firefox even integrated this whole “desktop portal” concept, specifically for the file dialogs within containerized package formats.
No idea, why Canonical and/or Mozilla don’t have that working for Snaps…
Yep. I removed the snap and installed it from tarball. Automatic updates don’t work quite right so I just wrote a bash script that runs the update process for me.
Automatic updates work fine for me with tar install, using kubuntu 22.
choco install
I liked the obsolete shim for that:
cinst- save some letters.Same with
cupinstead ofchoco update.I’ve just reinstated them anyway.
apt-get, bitches.And don’t forget to close the door on the way out!
You misspelled
pacmanyay your ass outta here
Get rid of that old yay yay ass haircut
Arch puns. As an Arch user, I admit this is hilarious.
I use Arch btw.
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apt is a newer tool that combines the functionality of apt-get and apt-cache. It’s not as backwards compatible but has a nicer more human readable output
apt is a wrapper of a wrapper for dpkg.
That’s like dnf is a wrapper for yum which is a wrapper for rpm.
The real trick is to not install anything, because Firefox comes pre-installed on most Linux distros.
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This is now cool people thread.
Eh, Debian still ships ESR
I miss the days when they shipped Iceweasel.
And ESR kinda sucks if you want an updated browser.
You mean “pre-installed with most DEs”…
I think it’s just distros that choose if they pre-install Firefox, not DEs.
KDE on Arch didn’t install Firefox, but Kubuntu came with Firefox the last time I installed it.
Well, I wanted to express that it may differ between distros, but fair point that Firefox won’t be pre-installed on the server flavors of those distros.
You don’t use Arch, btw
🙁
Are you sure you don’t want the binary?
It takes me like 10 minutes to compile these days :D. Before, yes.
Compiling by myself is always worth it for the
-telemetryimo