Has anybody considered the idea that boosts from non-Meta properties to Threads could legally be used to build ad profiles? We already know they do that sort of account association with non-fedi accounts.
EDIT: Looks like that's absolutely the plan. From the privacy policy
"Information From Third Party Services and Users: We collect information about the Third Party Services and Third Party Users who interact with Threads. If you interact with Threads through a Third Party Service (such as by following Threads users, interacting with Threads content, or by allowing Threads users to follow you or interact with your content), we collect information about your third-party account and profile (such as your username, profile picture, IP address, and the name of the Third Party Service on which you are registered), your content (such as when you allow Threads users to follow, like, reshare, or have mentions in your posts), and your interactions (such as when you follow, like, reshare, or have mentions in Threads posts).
We use the information we collect for Threads for the purposes described in the Meta Privacy Policy, including to provide, personalize, and improve Threads and other Meta Products (including seamless personalization of your experience across Threads and Instagram), to provide measurement, analytics and other business services (including ads), to promote safety, integrity and security, to communicate with you, and to research and innovate for social good."
https://help.instagram.com/515230437301944?helpref=faq_content
EDIT 2: After doing a little more thinking, I've come to the conclusion that the general narrative about Threads plan to steal users from similar federated services ignore the fact that it's certainly cheaper to let the volunteers of the fediverse take on the moderation costs while they monetize the data. Though the two certainly are not mutually exclusive.
Automatically creating a shadow account for everyone on Instagram?
Even allowing people to follow that account?
Sounds like they _really_ wanted to push Threads out the door in a big way.
The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:
* ~30 years old or older
* tech enthusiasts/workers
* linux users
There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.
I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?
Thoughts?
Goodreads is perhaps the best example of enshittification imo. It's only good now as a way to track your reading lists.
I tried bookwyrm today and it feels quite polished already, like giving you a guided tour of it's features. Hopefully it takes off as well similar to mastodon and lemmy.
I notice that when I search for communities I see the same community has been created on multiple instances. I could subscribe to all of them but I’d much rather it be one larger community. Does any else see this as an issue or find this frustrating? If so, have you done anything that’s made it easier to deal with or have any ideas of how it could be improved in the future?
Personally, I’d love to see all the content merged and have the instance tagged on the post, similar to using flair on Reddit.
I think we’d see better adoption of the fediverse and Lemmy if this could be fixed because the largest complaint I see is the lack of content. There’s a lot of content here, it’s just spread across multiple instances. Just my two cents though…
Fact is, the Lemmy ecosystem needs money to handle the growing server reqirements as more people migrate as well as the development cost of new features (I know Lemmy is OSS but the devs should still get some compensation for their effort).
Seeing how much some reddit users love awards so much that they cant stop giving money to Reddit to award posts protesting the api change, this could be a great way for users to voluntary support the ecosystem. It can be easily ignored by users not caring about them (clients could even add an option to hide them), but users liking the feature can go wild and this time the money goes to volunteers keeping this alive instead of greedy admins, power mods and investors.
Though there would be some big organization questions attached:
attached:
- Which server handles the payment? A centralized one, the one where the post was made or the one where the user giving the award account was created.
- How will the money be shared between the Devs and the individual instances in a way that is fair but cant be abused easily.
cross-posted from: https://feddit.rocks/post/3214
> So I created an open-source Lemmy bot to reply to posts/comments with YouTube links with converted Piped links to preserve your privacy.
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> Piped is an open-source alternative privacy-friendly frontend to YouTube. You can watch the same content from YouTube without connecting to Google's servers.
>
> You can find the source code at: https://github.com/TeamPiped/lemmy-piped-link-bot
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> You can find Piped's source code at: https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
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> PS: I'm the author of Piped :P
I'm impressed with the feedback I'm getting. I didn't expect my post to get much response or engagement (traction if you are from Mastodon).
Grateful for the help and warm welcome!
There's hope for the Fediverse; Rome wasn't built in a day
…or how do you all picture the endgame of Meta's EEE campaign?
All I see right now is a 10x increase of people in the fediverse and while this may be challenging, isn't it ultimately a good thing?
To explore instances (including Beehaw) without restrictions, I created this instance. To be listed on [join-lemmy.org](https://join-lemmy.org), my instance should have at least 5 active users, according [here](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/first_steps.html#inclusion-on-join-lemmyorg-instance-list). So would any 4 people consider signing up? The instance host is [lemy.lol](https://lemy.lol).
Note that im using [lemmony](https://github.com/jheidecker/lemmony) to be in sync with all communities of fediverse.
Update: 5 people signed up except me, my test user account and my community seeder account! Thanks to everyone involved in this!
It feels like they’re two different roles. It might be better to have user-orientated servers that prioritise federation of content and only have a couple of meta-style communities, and other servers which prioritise being the go-to place for discussion on a particular topic and less a place that manages a large number of user accounts.
It just seems like two really distinct roles all servers are trying to do at the same time, and it’s leading to larger sites with a lot of users duplicating all the same subs, rather than there being any particular spot for certain types of discussion.
It also means the server hosting a particular type of discussion might defed certain instances to prevent trolling when it’s a sensitive topic, but it wouldn’t affect a large userbase who have that as their home server, it would only be moderating the discussion for the content areas they specialise in.
Thoughts?
I looked up a list of Lemmy World instances and signed up for a bunch, but how do I see everything at once in one app instead of downloading one for each instance? I am new to what the kids call "federation." Thank you.
I have learned more in the few weeks about self hosting, rust, flutter and other things in lemmy, mastodon and fediverse than in the last few years in Reddit and other social media. Maybe learned more in hacker news. It’s awesome here and love the people here who are wonderful and knowledgeable and teach me patiently without any prejudice. Thanks everyone who make this awesome place.
Hello! I recently set up a small instance running on pleroma which was my first time setting up something like that. I'm currently thinking about abandoning it, wiping the computer, and doing everything over again, this time with all of the knowledge I have now so Ill mess less things up, a dramatically better site name, as well as picking wayyyy better(IMO) instance host software thingamajig(Currently thinking misskey or akkoma if I do this) to connect to the fediverse with. Would you guys say it's worth it?
If you're also willing to answer a second question I had: If you were setting up a new fediverse instance, what would you run it on(E.g calckey, misskey, bonfire mastodon)?
Some extra info:
The instance is a day old and i've done like nothing on it, it's also a sub domain I currently dont really care about.
I wasn't sure how to find the communities I'm interested in, so I quickly hacked together a scraper that makes a list of all the communities(1) of all the servers mine is federating to(2).
You can find it (with a very trivial UI) at [directory.fstab.sh](https://directory.fstab.sh/). Hover over the link to see the description. Use the search bar to search by text.
Is this something useful or there was a better way to do the same?
- (1) it does its best to scrape them all but incidents might happen
- (2) updated nightly
I am still working through fediverse communities to curate my subscribed experience. As such, I still like to look at Local/All feeds to get ideas for additional subs. While doing that, there are many topics/communities that just aren’t relevant to me. I would like to be able to preemptively block them rather than have to manually click into their community to block them.
Does the fediverse support regex use to block? I can’t find it anywhere. For example, if I don’t want to see anything related to “Bork” I would like to be able to use that regex to block all the “Bork” related communities (Bork, ActualBork, BorkinSmork, SmolBork, BorkCirclejerk, etc. ). Is this possible?
Let me introduce my new little project - 🍋 LemMon - Lemmy Monitor - Servers Status
The main servers will check if the lemmy servers (you can request in this post which servers to add) are online every 1 minute.
Every lemmy server have dedicated status page like lemmy.world: https://lemmon.zerobytes.monster/index?server===wM
Enjoy!

Meta exist to make a profit, however they're never going to be able to advertise to most people in the fediverse, who also happen to be some of the most knowledgeable people in some fields. If they accept that they're never going to be able to advertise *to* those people, they go for the next best thing: monetising their content. Some here may rightfully have an issue with a corporation monetising their content, however by federating with the fediverse and being the first company able to monetise the content within it, Meta have a vested interest in *not* extinguishing the fediverse.
Complain about their privacy violations or them monetising content they don't generate as much as you want, but remember they're smart & money hungry, and the smartest thing they can do in their position is to make money out of people they otherwise wouldn't be able to.
One of the most difficult problems for instances which do federate with Threads (full support for both them and the Fedipact) is the lack of moderation and very large number of bad actors on Threads. The ability to share block lists and automatically apply certain types of block would help a lot. Does anything like this already exist, or is anyone working on it?
So I've been trying to get myself accustomed to this place and understand whats going on.
To my understanding:
-There are Lemmy instances
-Instances communicate with each other to create the "Lemmyverse"
-There a larger version of this that encapsulates all (or a lot of) services that use ActivityPub called the "Fediverse"
My question is how or if would I interact with said other services from Lemmy? Is that possible? Could I say, see Mastodon or Peertube content from Lemmy? If I can, how? Do I sign up to those sevices with my existing Lemmy account? Can or will I soon be able to interact with everything through one account? Because that seems to me like it should be possible assuming everything and everyone is federated.
How is Lemmy interconnected with the Fediverse right now, and how might it become further connected in the future?
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1190537
> How is reddit post protest, did it really win over protesters? Did the ones who left make a dent? Or like all things before, did it ultimately do nothing?
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This post is a sort of partial dump of my efforts towards an idea/proposal for improving discoverability and onboarding for the Fediverse while avoiding new users just being dumped on a centralised instance. I've seen people suggest that one of our secondary defenses from megacorp social media (like Meta) is improving our UI, so this is part of my attempt to do that.
We can use our non-monetizability to construct algorithms specifically for the purposes of people finding the content and groups they want, rather than for the purposes of selling them shit.
I actually started working on this during the Reddit Migration, but got sidetracked with other things \^.\^, so I'm dumping it here for everyone else to make more progress!
I want to discuss a rough proposal/idea that eases the onboarding of new users to the fediverse, and discovery of groups, while hopefully distributing them across more instances for better load balancing and decentralization. More generally, it should enable easier discovery of groups and instances aligned with your own sentiments and interests, with a transparent algorithm focused on user control and directly connecting people with entities that align with what they want to see.
I may interleave some ActivityPub terms in here because I've been working on a much larger proposition for architectural shifts (capable of incremental change from current) that might allow multi-instance actors and sharding of large communities' storage - I want the fediverse to be capable of arbitrary horizontal scaling. Though of course that will depend heavily on my attention span and time and energy. I might also just dump my incomplete progress because honestly my attention is on other projects related to distributed semiconductor manufacturing atm \^.\^
What this post addresses is the current issue of onboarding new users \^.\^, and helping users discover communities/instances/other users. These users typically are pointed to one of about 5 or 6 major instances, which causes those instances to have to eat costs, especially since loads of users in one place means loads of *communities* - and the associated storage needs - in one place (as users create communities on their instances).
My proposition/idea consists of the following:
* A mechanism by which instances can declare their relevant purposes in a hierarchical, "refinement" manner
* A mechanism by which instances can declare what sort of instance they are - lemmy, mastodon, kbin, etc.
* A mechanism to specify those purposes such that different terms can be merged in a given instance - for example, multi-language terms for the same item
* A relatively simple algorithm that lets instances select hopefully other reliable instances that are relevant to someone and automatically link over to them on signup.
* A proposition for a hopefully intuitive UI with sensible defaults \^.\^
* (maybe in another post) an idea for simplified Fedi signin.
### Self-Tagging Structure
The first part of the proposal is specifying a way for instances to tag their general topics and category at varying levels of specificity.
#### Tagging the "Type" of Social Media an Instance is Running
Each instance should have a descriptor of what software it is running.
This serves as a proxy for what "type" of social media it is (reddit-like, twitter-like, whatever kbin is, etc.), taking into account that users are likely to have visited an instance based on reports that the type of software it runs is what they want.
I propose some string endpoint like `instance_software` in the top-level instance actor.
#### Tagging the Focus of Instances
Generally speaking, instances fall into several categories:
* General purpose instances
* Instances which lean towards some topics but are general purpose.
* Instances that are very focused towards some topics to the exclusion of others.
There are also instances with varying levels of moderation, which may be encompassed in this. \^.\^
To solve this problem, instances should provide an endpoint (for now, let's call it `instance_focus`) in their representative actor that produces a collection of so-called *subject trees* with associated *weights*.
##### Subject Trees/Sentiment Trees
Each subject tree is a nested list that looks like the following:
```json
{
"weight": 1,
"polarisability": -0.7,
"subject-tree": {
{
"subject": "programming",
"terms": {
{"en", "programming"},
{"en", "coding"},
{"en": "software-development"}
}
},
{
"subject": "language",
"terms": {
{"en", "language"}
}
},
{
"subject": "rust",
"terms": {
{"*", "rust"},
{"*", "rustlang"}
}
}
}
}
```
This indicates an instance/other-group that is interested in programming, specifically programming languages or a programming language, and specifically the programming language rust. It also indicates an estimated polarisability by this instance for `/programming/language/rust/` of "-0.7" i.e. they estimate that people who feel a certain way towards one subtopic of `/p/l/rust/` will also likely feel a similar way to other subtopics of `/p/l/rust/` unless explicitly specified. There may be other fields which indicate some of the more complex and specific parameters documented in [the proto-algorithm I wrote][algorithm-snippet], such as specific polarizability with sibling subjects (e.g. if `rust` had antagonistic sentiments toward `cpp`, it may have a `"sibling-polarizability": { "cpp": 0.5 }` field, or something similar).
A useful compact syntax to indicate the tree (for, for example, config files), might look something like the following: `/programming{en:programming,en:coding,en:software-development}/language{en:language}/rust{*:rust,*:rustlang}/`
This encodes the terms that it knows for these concepts, within the context of the subject above it, along with the language that term is in (star indicating many human languages where the same term is used, e.g. with proper names).
For this system to work, there must be a roughly-agreed upon set of names to use as keys.
The `"subject-tree"` for "general interest" is just an empty list `{}` \^.\^
[**PART 2**](https://infosec.pub/comment/696577)
Afaik, whenever an Activitypub instance has defederated from another it has always had to do with some combination of bad user behavior, poor moderation, and/or spam. Are the various instance admins who have decided to preemptively block threads.net simply convinced that these traits will be inevitable with it? Is it more of a symbolic move, because we all hate Meta? Or is the idea to just maintain a barrier (albeit a porous one) between us and the part of the Internet inhabited by our chuddy relatives?
(For my part, I'm working on setting up my own Lemmy and/or Pixelfed instance(s) and I do not currently intend to defederate.)
I've gotten so tired of the non-stop reddit/lemmy/mastodon/threads drama I pulled the plug on all recurring donations for the foreseeable future. Thanks to threads the fedverse is starting the reddit style drama cycles and I'm pretty much over trying to sort through it.
I know I can block content, my concern is my refusal to donate to an outfit that supports meta or similar properties.
In some of the music communities I'm in the content creators are already telling their userbase to go follow them on threads. They're all talking about some kind of beef between Elon and Mark and the possibility of a boxing match... Mark was right to call the people he's leaching off of fucking idiots.
Sorry, I am really new to the idea of the fediverse.
So, it is about standartisation for social media protocols so I can interact with users on another side that uses the same standard.
Does this mean if I post something on lemmy I can find it on Mastodon, or is it only certain features?
I guess I dont understand how this applies to the every day use of there application
The fediverse is discussing if we should defederate from Meta's new Threads app. Here's why I probably won't (for now).
(Federation between plume and my lemmy instance doesn't work correctly at the moment, otherwise I would have made this a proper crosspost)
Lemmy.mlis down right now (back online, was unreachable for about 6 hours)
[lemmy.world had a DDOS](https://lemmy.world/post/1524680) in the past 24 hours, Lemmy.ml was showing problem, but now it is entirely unreachable. lemmy.world was showing "Error!" page (server still reachable), but that seems to have only lasted for a hour or so.
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Lemmy.mlis down right now (back online, was unreachable for about 6 hours)
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it’s related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to [email protected]!
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