Discussion topic for you all, I’m curious to hear everyone’s thoughts on this!
The question: is there a good way for companies to federate and participate in the fediverse?
While the early fediverse has been fun and ‘old internet’ feeling, I’m sure most of us recognize (especially with IG Threads coming out) that it’s only a matter of time before companies start wanting a slice of the action.
While there is a ton of potential for abuse/EEE, there are also some big benefits that could come with a more widespread adoption. Is there a model that could work for everyone? And if so, how could we get there?
I think the best we can hope for in the long-term is an email-like adoption.
Individuals self-hosting major servers on donation money is not sustainable. This sucks for the people for whom this is “what Lemmy is”, but it’s the truth. There will come a time when Lemmy-at-large gets so big that Lemmy.world has to close (or de-federate), as users and content will outgrow voluntary revenue.
What we can hope for is that Lemmy is not taken over by one huge corporate instance, but instead 3-4 competing, inter-federated corporate instances. A Meta instance, a Google instance, and a Bytedance instance, for example. In addition to these, smaller (non-social-media) companies and institutions (game companies, universities, political organizations, etc.) would run their own Lemmy instances for the benefit of their members and users.
I’ve been arguing that Lemmy needs to become distributed a la BitTorrent to be sustainable. If regular users are participating in small pieces of hosting so that it’s completely decentralized and load is taken off the instance servers, it would be sustainable.
Something like this or freenet’s design would be interesting, but it lacks control by design. Data is involuntarily hosted on the user’s provided space and retrieved ad-hoc by other users. It does tend to suffer from a number of problems though, lost data when hosts are offline, bottlenecks in bamdwidth, particularly freenet that chains connections, and the ‘I don’t want to support that content’ aspect being largely out of the user control.
I suppose it could be opt in for the end users - say they host the communities they participate in only (i.e somebody likes 3D Printing and coffee, but maybe not porn or politics).
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I think the best we can hope for in the long-term is an email-like adoption.
Individuals self-hosting major servers on donation money is not sustainable. This sucks for the people for whom this is “what Lemmy is”, but it’s the truth. There will come a time when Lemmy-at-large gets so big that Lemmy.world has to close (or de-federate), as users and content will outgrow voluntary revenue.
What we can hope for is that Lemmy is not taken over by one huge corporate instance, but instead 3-4 competing, inter-federated corporate instances. A Meta instance, a Google instance, and a Bytedance instance, for example. In addition to these, smaller (non-social-media) companies and institutions (game companies, universities, political organizations, etc.) would run their own Lemmy instances for the benefit of their members and users.
I’ve been arguing that Lemmy needs to become distributed a la BitTorrent to be sustainable. If regular users are participating in small pieces of hosting so that it’s completely decentralized and load is taken off the instance servers, it would be sustainable.
https://zeronet.io/
Something like this or freenet’s design would be interesting, but it lacks control by design. Data is involuntarily hosted on the user’s provided space and retrieved ad-hoc by other users. It does tend to suffer from a number of problems though, lost data when hosts are offline, bottlenecks in bamdwidth, particularly freenet that chains connections, and the ‘I don’t want to support that content’ aspect being largely out of the user control.
I suppose it could be opt in for the end users - say they host the communities they participate in only (i.e somebody likes 3D Printing and coffee, but maybe not porn or politics).