Have recently created a new c/Europe community for posting news and discussions relating to Europe. This community allows news and discussions of the Palestine conflict, bear in mind that encouragement or apologia of genocide is not allowed.
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Edit: I would possibly revisit rule #2 though - making the rule more general, such as “no hate speech”, and specifying that proponents of any hateful ideologies should be excluded. Right now it’s strangely targeted - I guess “no antisemitism” goes under rule 1, but I think rule 2 should be wide enough to also cover “no nazis”.
Edit edit: As frustrated as I am by [email protected], I think I’ll proceed with some hesitation.
They’re separate because at the moment there’s a lot of people who are intentionally or unintentionally confusing Anti-Zionist movements with antisemitism. Antisemitism is hate speech and bigotry which is banned under rule 1. Zionism and it’s corresponding genocide denial is also hate speech but is separated into its own rule for clarity and to also make it clear that polite or “civil” Zionism isn’t welcome either. That’s where we get the people arguing that ‘you should feel hypocritical for supporting Greta Thunberg because [Something Anti-Zionist she said]’.
Yeah, I understand your point and I think it might be the only way of silencing these trolls. Perhaps making it this explicit is the only way of providing clear enough guidelines, I just feel like it’s a bit bombastic as a point 2.
What left me a bit reluctant was your comment that other communities “are hosted in Germany which is a Zionist police state”. I’ll be the first to criticize Germany (this is precisely what got banned me from [email protected] half a year ago, after all), but this seems a bit bombastic especially when paired with rule 2.
I already got banned for criticizing Germany, I don’t want to get banned for defending them as well! ;)
I may have been a bit hyperbolic calling Germany a ‘police state’ at the same time not exactly since places where you can be arrested for non-violent speech are not far off from police states. Some people don’t believe it’s that bad but I’ve heard horror stories of these laws being used against people the government disagrees with. That has happened and will happen again.
I already got banned for criticizing Germany, I don’t want to get banned for defending them as well! ;)
Unless you’re defending or justifying Germany’s legislated Zionism that’s unlikely. Rule 2 doesn’t forbid people from defending Germany it only forbids defending Zionism, Zionist practices, Zionist laws, which can in some cased be thought of as defending Germany. CyberEgg certainly thought so, but he quickly started accusing me of genocide and antisemitism when I pointed out the comment he was banned for so…
If you think it doesn’t impact Europe or European politics I think maybe you need to peek through the hand you have over your face in that emoji. Various countries have recognised Palestine, had their Israeli diplomats removed etc.
You’re not wrong, but why would you just post that stuff to global news/politics communities? Wouldn’t it make.more sense to focus on what differentiates the Europe lemmy community?
It’s a fair question. Some of it is directly Europe related, like France recently announcing that it was on a path to recognise Palestine, or the Irish Taoiseach (prime minister) saying that what was happening there was a war crime.
I mean that’s a fair concern, but within just the last three days Britain stopped negotiations with Israel over a trade agreement, IDF soldiers shot at/near European diplomats in the West Bank, Britain, France and Canada threatened sanctions, the EU started reviewing its trade agreement with Israel, and before all that you had the Eurovision debacle. I get what you’re saying, but Israel just keeps doing shit that would show up in Europe comms, probably against their better judgement.
It’s just pretty obvious that this guy was angry about Feddit.org not allowing Holocaust denial and other antisemitic posts on their platform. Forking c/Europe over it and saying
bear in mind that encouragement or apologia of genocide is not allowed.
shows pretty clearly what kind of comments you can expect there and in which direction the wind blows
It’s just pretty obvious that this guy was angry about Feddit.org not allowing Holocaust denial and other antisemitic posts on their platform.
Yeah… no. According to Feddit’s current rules you can’t call for the overthrow of Israel, compare them with Nazi Germany (check this if you think that comparison doesn’t have weight), encourage non-peaceful resistance against their occupation or even say “from the river to the sea”. This is pretty blatant censorship. I got a warning from the mods before for saying that Israel should be overthrown and replaced with one democratic state encompassing all of Palestine.
shows pretty clearly what kind of comments you can expect there and in which direction the wind blows
Yeah… also no. That’s so that Zionists don’t think they get to say “yeah the war is bad but Israel has a right to defend itself” or some shit without getting the ban hammer. I have never seen the kind of comments you’re talking about in much more radical communities than c/Europe.
I got banned from [email protected] at some point for raising the German response to pro-palestinian protests as a potential democratic problem. Seems European enough to me. 🙃
Well, the entire thread is still there except my deleted comment reading as follows:
insufficient avenues for engagement beyond voting.
Funny what banning protests does to a country.
So you can see in the thread that I provide sources, such as the New York Times:
The country’s authorities have banned many protests in the name of fighting antisemitism. Critics say such restrictions are discriminatory.
To me, this seems relevant in a thread about how German youth feels that their avenues for democratic participation beyond voting are restricted. Besides, I was not banned for alleged misinformation, but for “derailing”.
Even if I was wrong, which I do not believe I was, I hardly see my comment being worthy of a ban in a reasonably moderated community. Discussion, yes.
They don’t have a general rule to ban all protests, but they did ban several of them and cracked down on protests pretty effectively early on. As is reported in plenty of media.
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Edit: I would possibly revisit rule #2 though - making the rule more general, such as “no hate speech”, and specifying that proponents of any hateful ideologies should be excluded. Right now it’s strangely targeted - I guess “no antisemitism” goes under rule 1, but I think rule 2 should be wide enough to also cover “no nazis”.
Edit edit: As frustrated as I am by [email protected], I think I’ll proceed with some hesitation.
They’re separate because at the moment there’s a lot of people who are intentionally or unintentionally confusing Anti-Zionist movements with antisemitism. Antisemitism is hate speech and bigotry which is banned under rule 1. Zionism and it’s corresponding genocide denial is also hate speech but is separated into its own rule for clarity and to also make it clear that polite or “civil” Zionism isn’t welcome either. That’s where we get the people arguing that ‘you should feel hypocritical for supporting Greta Thunberg because [Something Anti-Zionist she said]’.
Yeah, I understand your point and I think it might be the only way of silencing these trolls. Perhaps making it this explicit is the only way of providing clear enough guidelines, I just feel like it’s a bit bombastic as a point 2.
What left me a bit reluctant was your comment that other communities “are hosted in Germany which is a Zionist police state”. I’ll be the first to criticize Germany (this is precisely what got banned me from [email protected] half a year ago, after all), but this seems a bit bombastic especially when paired with rule 2.
I already got banned for criticizing Germany, I don’t want to get banned for defending them as well! ;)
I may have been a bit hyperbolic calling Germany a ‘police state’ at the same time not exactly since places where you can be arrested for non-violent speech are not far off from police states. Some people don’t believe it’s that bad but I’ve heard horror stories of these laws being used against people the government disagrees with. That has happened and will happen again.
Unless you’re defending or justifying Germany’s legislated Zionism that’s unlikely. Rule 2 doesn’t forbid people from defending Germany it only forbids defending Zionism, Zionist practices, Zionist laws, which can in some cased be thought of as defending Germany. CyberEgg certainly thought so, but he quickly started accusing me of genocide and antisemitism when I pointed out the comment he was banned for so…
Oh yes, that’s a very famous conflict on the European continent 🤦♂️
If you think it doesn’t impact Europe or European politics I think maybe you need to peek through the hand you have over your face in that emoji. Various countries have recognised Palestine, had their Israeli diplomats removed etc.
You’re not wrong, but why would you just post that stuff to global news/politics communities? Wouldn’t it make.more sense to focus on what differentiates the Europe lemmy community?
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It is pretty annoying that that sub is labeled for US politics on a .world server…
It’s a fair question. Some of it is directly Europe related, like France recently announcing that it was on a path to recognise Palestine, or the Irish Taoiseach (prime minister) saying that what was happening there was a war crime.
I mean that’s a fair concern, but within just the last three days Britain stopped negotiations with Israel over a trade agreement, IDF soldiers shot at/near European diplomats in the West Bank, Britain, France and Canada threatened sanctions, the EU started reviewing its trade agreement with Israel, and before all that you had the Eurovision debacle. I get what you’re saying, but Israel just keeps doing shit that would show up in Europe comms, probably against their better judgement.
Ooooo, now do we get to debate whether Britain is in the European continent? In the European Union? Or did they brexit this new community?
It’s just pretty obvious that this guy was angry about Feddit.org not allowing Holocaust denial and other antisemitic posts on their platform. Forking c/Europe over it and saying
shows pretty clearly what kind of comments you can expect there and in which direction the wind blows
Yeah… no. According to Feddit’s current rules you can’t call for the overthrow of Israel, compare them with Nazi Germany (check this if you think that comparison doesn’t have weight), encourage non-peaceful resistance against their occupation or even say “from the river to the sea”. This is pretty blatant censorship. I got a warning from the mods before for saying that Israel should be overthrown and replaced with one democratic state encompassing all of Palestine.
Yeah… also no. That’s so that Zionists don’t think they get to say “yeah the war is bad but Israel has a right to defend itself” or some shit without getting the ban hammer. I have never seen the kind of comments you’re talking about in much more radical communities than c/Europe.
I got banned from [email protected] at some point for raising the German response to pro-palestinian protests as a potential democratic problem. Seems European enough to me. 🙃
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You know that you can look up the posts in the Modlog?
You claimed that protests against Palestine were banned. Which is absolutely not true
Well, the entire thread is still there except my deleted comment reading as follows:
So you can see in the thread that I provide sources, such as the New York Times:
To me, this seems relevant in a thread about how German youth feels that their avenues for democratic participation beyond voting are restricted. Besides, I was not banned for alleged misinformation, but for “derailing”.
Even if I was wrong, which I do not believe I was, I hardly see my comment being worthy of a ban in a reasonably moderated community. Discussion, yes.
If you yell slogans of denying Israel’s right to exist, or show support of Hamas your Demo will get banned. Correct.
But Demos in support of Palestine are allowed. There is one every week in my town
They don’t have a general rule to ban all protests, but they did ban several of them and cracked down on protests pretty effectively early on. As is reported in plenty of media.