I mean there’s Reddit ofc, as well as Twitter in its entirety, Discord is implementing some dumb updates, there are issues with Tumblr as well as everything to do with Meta, and I’m sure there are plenty more (and I haven’t even touched other digital media, for example the Sims). Why is it all happening in the span of about a couple months?
Greed. It’s all driven by greed. It’s not just social media companies either. My best guess to why it’s happening now… The boomers are aging out and want to take every last bit they can squeeze out before they retire/die.
Search for ‘Enshittification’ if you want a pretty good analysis of what’s going on. But basically greed, capitalism and the never ending pursuit of growth.
workers created the platform, Reddit is the content that is freely created by the community. see how now all the search results are useless because users deleted their own content, but the platform is still there.
Edit
I just found out that all my content that I edited + deleted a week ago and wasn’t visible then, is back.
To check if your data is still available on reddit just do a Google search putting site:reddit.com and your username after it in the search box. Google has still the username in the cache so when you click on the link you’ll find your content under a “deleted” username.
Capitalism is good at creating things, but terrible at maintaining their quality over time, because at the end of the day profits don’t always go hand in hand with product quality
The sad truth. For example, Insta Pot has gone bankrupt recently because they built their stuff too well, and no one needed to buy more than one. Capitalism is the reason we have planned obsolescence and deliberately poor build quality of products.
US Fed has raised interest rates, destroying money for the first time in decades in an effort to stop our inflation problem
The knock on effects is that banks literally have less money to lend to companies. Some companies are affected more than others by this environment. Tech was hit hard, extremely hard.
With hundreds of thousands of layoffs, tech industry is contracting. Silicon Valley bank literally evaporated in the span of 3 days. Twitter was losing money and had to sell out. StackOverflow is losing money and is currently selling out.
In this environment, Reddit is about to launch it’s long awaited IPO, the time when the public is allowed to directly buy Reddit stock and invest into the company. That’s what Initial Public Offering means. If Reddit does well, Reddit will pull in lots of money this year through this IPO.
The CEO of Reddit needs to prove Reddit is profitable, or if not profitable… Will eventually be profitable. Stockholders don’t care about Reddit drama for the most part, but most are smart enough to read financial sheets. Reddit needs to show growing revenue, growing profits and cutting costs to attract money.
As such, all of what Reddit’s CEO has done makes sense in the context of the IPO. He is betting that shareholders won’t notice the drop of high quality content creators from Reddit, since that’s not a financial number that’s reported. He can IPO, raising millions, maybe even billions for himself. The golden parachute outta here when everything gets screwed up in a year or two and collapses.
I think today’s investors are smarter though, and the bearish economy and high interest rates means more investors will pay attention to underlying issues.
Generally the drama isn’t a big deal. But in a specific case the only value of the site is in the community moderation and the depth of data on the site.
He needs investors to buy in but he also needs advertisers to buy in. Advertisers do not love paying for negative drama.
Late stage capitalism
You make a business and it goes well, you make some money everyone is happy.
But with time your profits will plateau or even decline. It’s natural, but businesses don’t understand that it is insane to expect a company to always turn crazy profits when the product does not evolve.
Companies like apple and Microsoft don’t worry as much because they are constantly evolving with new product.
Companies like Twitter, Facebook, reddit, Netflix have hit a wall where there really isn’t anywhere else to go so they start making shareholder centered decisions made by people who aren’t even in touch with the user base of their product.
Capitalism slowly shits up everything. Even the things it helps create.
I mean this in the most general way possible. Not just platforms. Even if reddit was profitable it would still continue. It’s just part of the cycle of seeking not just profits but ever rising profits.
It’s just more obvious lately on digital platforms because it has been kind of compressed into smaller amounts of time.
That which is free must find a way to cost.
That that makes money must find a way to make more.
And slowly but surely its takes on a fine shine. A glean seen from a distance.
But when you get close you realize. “oh, its fucking shit all over it.”
Yeah… I mean, we on one hand, we now grow plenty of food to feed almost 8 billion people, cured polio, greatly extended lifespan all over the globe… But on the other hand (waves hand at everything).
Eternal growth on a finite planet ain’t possible, but capitalism demands it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lets take the example of Reddit. Reddit could have kept its costs to the minimum and could have run the site with the ad revenue that came in. In fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia. If need be, they could have removed silly GIF replies and other stuff and focused on text alone. However this would not let them become the next Facebook. That’s what they wanted to be. At some point in their story was a choice to be forums 2.0 or get into a race to become a cash grab. Sadly they went for the latter.
Related question: why does it feel like hollywood is intent on completely destroying all of our beloved franchises? It’s not like the place isn’t overflowing with incredibly talented artists, writers, actors, producers, etc. I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for them to make something that isn’t garbage.
Not what, destroying our beloved franchises? You’re telling me star wars, star trek, and lord of the rings are in a good place right now? The ghostbusters remake, the insultingly bad fourth matrix movie, that attempt to revive the X files a few years back, the list goes on.
I’m not saying NOTHING good is coming out at all, but I AM saying just about everything coming out “related to franchises you used to love” is total crap with rare exception.
They don’t need to make a good Star Wars movie because they don’t need to onboard new fans. They make them only to squeeze out existing fans who will pay regardless of quality.
The new Matrix movie was actually a masterpiece. The Wachowski’s didn’t want to revive the franchise since they considered it complete - but the studio insisted that if they didn’t make it, the studio would get it done itself. So they accepted the offer, and made a movie so bad that it killed any attempts at reviving the franchise for good. The Matrix is now dead, and it will stay that way (hopefully).
I guess Star Wars is too strong to kill even with multiple shit movies.
Besides that, for how long can you squeeze the same universe? I’d rather have something new.
Personally I feel like the Mario movie was one of the best movies like that to come out. Sure it’s nothing too amazing, but for a video game adaptation it’s definitely up there. It does seem like everything has to be remade to be almost deliberately awful though.
This video explains it well:
Basically, its greed and the fact that franchises are safer bets. And of course many people still watch them.
https://youtu.be/p4GERuvdhYI
I think also we’ve become so dependent that they can just do whatever the fuck they want.
I’ve lived in a bunch of countries and FB messenger is the only way for me to keep in touch. FB can do whatever they want to me because I’m never going to persuade a bunch of people to all move to signal or something.
Reddit has communities that simply don’t exist on any other platform.
I’ve never seen a more stupid comment. Your attempt at a satirical remark is at a kindergarten level. From reading it I deduct you believe there are no other solutions to it.
There are solutions to it. You’d find them if you used your cognition beyond playground squabble
As a phenomenon you’ll see a lot of people call it “enshittification.” The term seems to originate with Cory Doctorow who writes, “Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.”
I don’t know honestly, greed probably. But it’s such a shame. It seems like the internet as a whole is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care about it for there to be something done about it.
But here we are dipping our toes in the fediverse, a bit early for the non tech savvy people but from my point of view we are currently proving that monolithic corps are no longer needed. They are convenient, but not alfa-omega.
The climate is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care. Politics are heading in a horrible direction, and you know what? Not enough people care!
Sorry, the last 4 years has made me very cynical. And I’m in a particularly blue mood today.
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Greed. It’s all driven by greed. It’s not just social media companies either. My best guess to why it’s happening now… The boomers are aging out and want to take every last bit they can squeeze out before they retire/die.
I wish it was just the boomers. We have a whole new generation of greedy corporate bootlicks on their way up.
Search for ‘Enshittification’ if you want a pretty good analysis of what’s going on. But basically greed, capitalism and the never ending pursuit of growth.
Capitalism created reddit.
Workers created Reddit, like everything else. Economic systems don’t create anything, only determine who profits from those creations.
workers created the platform, Reddit is the content that is freely created by the community. see how now all the search results are useless because users deleted their own content, but the platform is still there.
Edit I just found out that all my content that I edited + deleted a week ago and wasn’t visible then, is back.
To check if your data is still available on reddit just do a Google search putting site:reddit.com and your username after it in the search box. Google has still the username in the cache so when you click on the link you’ll find your content under a “deleted” username.
You’re right, I should have specified I was referring to the platform. My point was against the dumb narrative that capitalism creates anything.
Capitalism is good at creating things, but terrible at maintaining their quality over time, because at the end of the day profits don’t always go hand in hand with product quality
The sad truth. For example, Insta Pot has gone bankrupt recently because they built their stuff too well, and no one needed to buy more than one. Capitalism is the reason we have planned obsolescence and deliberately poor build quality of products.
It’s the money.
US Fed has raised interest rates, destroying money for the first time in decades in an effort to stop our inflation problem
The knock on effects is that banks literally have less money to lend to companies. Some companies are affected more than others by this environment. Tech was hit hard, extremely hard.
With hundreds of thousands of layoffs, tech industry is contracting. Silicon Valley bank literally evaporated in the span of 3 days. Twitter was losing money and had to sell out. StackOverflow is losing money and is currently selling out.
In this environment, Reddit is about to launch it’s long awaited IPO, the time when the public is allowed to directly buy Reddit stock and invest into the company. That’s what Initial Public Offering means. If Reddit does well, Reddit will pull in lots of money this year through this IPO.
The CEO of Reddit needs to prove Reddit is profitable, or if not profitable… Will eventually be profitable. Stockholders don’t care about Reddit drama for the most part, but most are smart enough to read financial sheets. Reddit needs to show growing revenue, growing profits and cutting costs to attract money.
As such, all of what Reddit’s CEO has done makes sense in the context of the IPO. He is betting that shareholders won’t notice the drop of high quality content creators from Reddit, since that’s not a financial number that’s reported. He can IPO, raising millions, maybe even billions for himself. The golden parachute outta here when everything gets screwed up in a year or two and collapses.
I think today’s investors are smarter though, and the bearish economy and high interest rates means more investors will pay attention to underlying issues.
Generally the drama isn’t a big deal. But in a specific case the only value of the site is in the community moderation and the depth of data on the site.
He needs investors to buy in but he also needs advertisers to buy in. Advertisers do not love paying for negative drama.
U just enlightened me sir. Thank you.
Late stage capitalism You make a business and it goes well, you make some money everyone is happy.
But with time your profits will plateau or even decline. It’s natural, but businesses don’t understand that it is insane to expect a company to always turn crazy profits when the product does not evolve.
Companies like apple and Microsoft don’t worry as much because they are constantly evolving with new product.
Companies like Twitter, Facebook, reddit, Netflix have hit a wall where there really isn’t anywhere else to go so they start making shareholder centered decisions made by people who aren’t even in touch with the user base of their product.
Higher interest rates, less vc money, have to actually start being profitable
VC money drying up means enshittification machine slamming the gas
No doubt. Instead of slowly making it shittier bit by bit so that we didn’t noticed, they had to go mask off an remind us that we are the product.
Everyone’s a genius in a bull market with a near zero interest rate.
Honestly I think it’s this. All these tech companies finally being pressed to show ROI now that the risk-free rate of return is much higher.
Capitalism slowly shits up everything. Even the things it helps create.
I mean this in the most general way possible. Not just platforms. Even if reddit was profitable it would still continue. It’s just part of the cycle of seeking not just profits but ever rising profits.
It’s just more obvious lately on digital platforms because it has been kind of compressed into smaller amounts of time.
That which is free must find a way to cost.
That that makes money must find a way to make more.
And slowly but surely its takes on a fine shine. A glean seen from a distance. But when you get close you realize. “oh, its fucking shit all over it.”
I swear every problem in the modern world is like two degrees separated from capitalism.
Yeah… I mean, we on one hand, we now grow plenty of food to feed almost 8 billion people, cured polio, greatly extended lifespan all over the globe… But on the other hand (waves hand at everything).
Eternal growth on a finite planet ain’t possible, but capitalism demands it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lets take the example of Reddit. Reddit could have kept its costs to the minimum and could have run the site with the ad revenue that came in. In fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia. If need be, they could have removed silly GIF replies and other stuff and focused on text alone. However this would not let them become the next Facebook. That’s what they wanted to be. At some point in their story was a choice to be forums 2.0 or get into a race to become a cash grab. Sadly they went for the latter.
Let’s remember this about Kbin and the Fediverse.
I would donate to help counterbalance the wave of migration that brought me here.
Related question: why does it feel like hollywood is intent on completely destroying all of our beloved franchises? It’s not like the place isn’t overflowing with incredibly talented artists, writers, actors, producers, etc. I just don’t understand why it’s so hard for them to make something that isn’t garbage.
I mean they’re not… There’s been some amazing films recently.
Not what, destroying our beloved franchises? You’re telling me star wars, star trek, and lord of the rings are in a good place right now? The ghostbusters remake, the insultingly bad fourth matrix movie, that attempt to revive the X files a few years back, the list goes on.
I’m not saying NOTHING good is coming out at all, but I AM saying just about everything coming out “related to franchises you used to love” is total crap with rare exception.
LOTR ROP is pretty good.
Because they know it will sell.
They don’t need to make a good Star Wars movie because they don’t need to onboard new fans. They make them only to squeeze out existing fans who will pay regardless of quality.
The new Matrix movie was actually a masterpiece. The Wachowski’s didn’t want to revive the franchise since they considered it complete - but the studio insisted that if they didn’t make it, the studio would get it done itself. So they accepted the offer, and made a movie so bad that it killed any attempts at reviving the franchise for good. The Matrix is now dead, and it will stay that way (hopefully).
I guess Star Wars is too strong to kill even with multiple shit movies.
Besides that, for how long can you squeeze the same universe? I’d rather have something new.
Personally I feel like the Mario movie was one of the best movies like that to come out. Sure it’s nothing too amazing, but for a video game adaptation it’s definitely up there. It does seem like everything has to be remade to be almost deliberately awful though.
This video explains it well: Basically, its greed and the fact that franchises are safer bets. And of course many people still watch them. https://youtu.be/p4GERuvdhYI
I think also we’ve become so dependent that they can just do whatever the fuck they want.
I’ve lived in a bunch of countries and FB messenger is the only way for me to keep in touch. FB can do whatever they want to me because I’m never going to persuade a bunch of people to all move to signal or something.
Reddit has communities that simply don’t exist on any other platform.
They have the critical mass.
I was going to say that I wish there was a decentralised way of sending messages… And then I remembered text messaging is a thing.
Incredible how quickly these things become embedded in everyday life
Unfortunately this doesn’t really work with international mates
The VC money is drying up and they’re demanding a return on investment as the world’s economy struggles on at the moment.
This is just what living in late stage capitalism looks like.
It’s so weird that stuff is being intentionally designed to be worse.
it’s not, the primary objective is to rake in ever bigger heaps of money. this is just a side effect
So what you’re saying is we should ban money
I’ve never seen a more stupid comment. Your attempt at a satirical remark is at a kindergarten level. From reading it I deduct you believe there are no other solutions to it.
There are solutions to it. You’d find them if you used your cognition beyond playground squabble
Almost like it’s impossible that was the least bit sarcastic.
As a phenomenon you’ll see a lot of people call it “enshittification.” The term seems to originate with Cory Doctorow who writes, “Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.”
The whole article on his blog is worth a read here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys. His Mastodon handle is @pluralistic if you’d like to follow his work there (woohoo federation!).
bro wtf we are actually living in the future, i just followed the equivalent of someone’s twitter from the equivalent of my reddit account
I don’t know honestly, greed probably. But it’s such a shame. It seems like the internet as a whole is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care about it for there to be something done about it.
But here we are dipping our toes in the fediverse, a bit early for the non tech savvy people but from my point of view we are currently proving that monolithic corps are no longer needed. They are convenient, but not alfa-omega.
The climate is heading in a horrible direction, and not enough people care. Politics are heading in a horrible direction, and you know what? Not enough people care!
Sorry, the last 4 years has made me very cynical. And I’m in a particularly blue mood today.
$
Running out of VC dollars, now they gotta actually make a profit.