I just don’t get how these providers (Specifically Reddit with the API lockdown and now the stranglehold on mods, Twitter’s new login requirement, and YouTube now cracking down on adblockers) are missing the point that their sites live and die by user generated content.
I understand these sites are hugely expensive to run, but if you keep alienating those who are bringing users to your site in the first place, people will stop submitting and people will stop visiting.
Well, realistically there is a good chance that this will turn out just fine business-wise. They don’t care if they lose some engagement or if the quality goes to shit. It’s all good, as long as it makes some money.
In my opinion, this sort of model should be considered anti-competitive. It has become apparent that these services operate on a model where they offer a service that is too good to be true in order to kill the competition, and then they switch to their actual profitable business plan. If you think about it, peertube is a much more sensible economical model with its federation and p2p streaming. But nobody has ever cared about it because huge tech giants offer hosting & bandwith “for free”. The evil part of youtube is not the ads, its the fact that it allowed us to bypass them long enough for the entire planet to become dependent on it.
The majority of people don’t use any form of ad block, especially on mobile so i’m not sure your argument holds there. I don’t see how Youtube wanting to monetize its users somehow will make the quality go to shit? Centralized things need to be monetized, and as much as we all would like it, a mainstream decentralized video streaming platform is not realistic given current tech.
I don’t personally see this as in the same category as what Twitter and Reddit are doing.
There are, but they exist outside the market. Any company is going to want a return on its investment, and many people have even been trained to see themselves as “a business” and so operate transactionally in their personal lives, but many people don’t also. There are many people who do and give away many things with no expectation of return.
More people should try out Tubesync. It’s a tool you can host yourself that essentially uses yt-dl as a backend and lets you subscribe to channels, and it’ll download videos as they come out. Gets you away from the ads and you can archive content you like forever.
I wonder if they’ll ever make that impossible. I used to go on a couple of 6 hour drives twice a week for a long time. A lot of the drive didn’t have cell service, as it was thru a bunch of mountains. I ended up making a python script that downloaded podcast episodes to listen to, and to force my brother to watch Your Mom’s House, when he was with me on the drive.
I’m glad that their are contemporary historians and archivists perusing YouTube so my great-great-great-great grandchildren can watch a video game review in which a grown man gets shit on by Bugs Bunny.
I get why you like it. But in order to use this as intended with my browsing habits, it looks like I’d need to invest in some hefty storage systems and I’m not doing that
They don’t owe us jack shit. If they want to block users of AdBlock I’m sure it’s within their right to do so, and it’s within yours to look elsewhere.
It’s frustrating, but like the parent comment said: they’re not running a charity.
YT premium is one of those things I’m pretty happy to pay for, because I know the creators I watch are getting much more money per view from me versus someone who watches with the ads.
The actual lack of ads is just a massive bonus since I would have been able to block them anyway. (Well, until this change)
Also, that and I’m one of the 5 people out there actually using YouTube music rather than Spotify
Plus, Newpipe and the likes have been doing pretty well at getting around YouTube ads so far, it’s just the main YouTube website that has been more problematic.
Neat lil app. Would be nice if you were able to see all the YouTube playlists for a creator. When you go to a creators YouTube channel, it just lists a bunch of their random videos.
Also, a screencast functionality would be good too!
Check out Odysee.
Open source, decentralized, great interface.
It’ s a great youtube alternative but is unfortunately still a little lacking in content.
Hopefully youtube continuing to pull shit like this will drive users there, much like reddit has driven users here.
I’m not so sure that this is anything to worry about. It’s just another step in the game of cat and mouse. Is it annoying? Of course! But if/when it goes mainstream, ad blockers are just going to push updates that make it possible to block the ad block blocker. uBlock Origin does a really good job at blocking ad block blockers on most sites.
Honestly, using uBO (which is really the only blocker anyone should be using) I never see those popups anyway. And that list apparently causes unintended connections to google servers (warning, there’s some drama in this issue between the ublock dev and the list’s dev, but gorhill comes off more reasonable here.)
So really, just turn on most of the filter lists in uBO settings as per your need and you should be good to go.
lol I’ve seen plenty of social media drama, but this is probably the most hilarious drama I’ve ever seen. Imagine getting into a fight on the GitHub issue tracker. 😆
a great recent-ish example is the time some kid PR’ed a dumb readme edit to an Unreal Engine repo which was used only for making people sign a TOS before getting access to the engine’s source code, which led to… this.
lol this is hilarious. I feel bad for Rohith, but the fact that it was possible for such a mistake to even be made is hilarious. The people being rude to him in the replies though all suck.
Yeah, I feel the same. The consequences weren’t even all that extreme.
And more importantly, it’s really not his fault that Epic set up the group that way, and the grown men malding and screaming at a child like melodramatic pissbabies are truly a clownshow. I laughed out loud at the “Lock it. Lock it now.” guy - how can one sniff their own farts to such a degree?
Google is an ad company.
To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.
When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.
Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?
Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.
It’s so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I’m logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.
Sadly most younger people haven’t even heard of Firefox.
Right? After years of feeling like the only pro-firefox person left on the planet, the pro Firefox sentiment lately is a breath of fresh air, to say the least.
Most young people are basically tech illiterate. Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones. But have zero idea how any of it works under the hood.
Ask them to transfer a file from a computer to a USB drive, most will not know how. They have no idea how a file system is structured or even that an app has to specifically made for different platforms… e.g. Facebook app on Apple is completely different from Facebook on Android and the two will contain different bugs and different settings.
Must say I’m glad they’re doing this. Helps me stay off the platform and be more productive after the 3 videos, and requires me to plan which 3 videos I want to watch. If all addictive platforms had these self-moderating features, I’d definitely use them.
Greed didn’t lead someone, this is a shareholder entity. Each shareholder doesn’t even have to think about greed. The entity does it all for them. That’s why companies can do horrible things and everyone can sleep at night. It’s always the entity that did it not them. Shareholders are the root of all evil in this world today.
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I just don’t get how these providers (Specifically Reddit with the API lockdown and now the stranglehold on mods, Twitter’s new login requirement, and YouTube now cracking down on adblockers) are missing the point that their sites live and die by user generated content.
I understand these sites are hugely expensive to run, but if you keep alienating those who are bringing users to your site in the first place, people will stop submitting and people will stop visiting.
Well, realistically there is a good chance that this will turn out just fine business-wise. They don’t care if they lose some engagement or if the quality goes to shit. It’s all good, as long as it makes some money.
In my opinion, this sort of model should be considered anti-competitive. It has become apparent that these services operate on a model where they offer a service that is too good to be true in order to kill the competition, and then they switch to their actual profitable business plan. If you think about it, peertube is a much more sensible economical model with its federation and p2p streaming. But nobody has ever cared about it because huge tech giants offer hosting & bandwith “for free”. The evil part of youtube is not the ads, its the fact that it allowed us to bypass them long enough for the entire planet to become dependent on it.
The majority of people don’t use any form of ad block, especially on mobile so i’m not sure your argument holds there. I don’t see how Youtube wanting to monetize its users somehow will make the quality go to shit? Centralized things need to be monetized, and as much as we all would like it, a mainstream decentralized video streaming platform is not realistic given current tech.
I don’t personally see this as in the same category as what Twitter and Reddit are doing.
i’ve never seen this using librewolf + ublock + /etc/hosts
Having to watch ads isn’t free. It costs me my time and it’s limited.
Technically you pay to use Youtube by watching adds. People sometimes forget that there are no free lunches.
As long as there are CEOs getting payed more than i could earn in my life for one year, i’m good with my free lunch.
Someone smarter than me once said, “if your using a service, and it seems free, then YOU are the product being bought and sold”
I don’t think this is always true, but it usually is.
There are, but they exist outside the market. Any company is going to want a return on its investment, and many people have even been trained to see themselves as “a business” and so operate transactionally in their personal lives, but many people don’t also. There are many people who do and give away many things with no expectation of return.
More people should try out Tubesync. It’s a tool you can host yourself that essentially uses yt-dl as a backend and lets you subscribe to channels, and it’ll download videos as they come out. Gets you away from the ads and you can archive content you like forever.
https://github.com/meeb/tubesync
I wonder if they’ll ever make that impossible. I used to go on a couple of 6 hour drives twice a week for a long time. A lot of the drive didn’t have cell service, as it was thru a bunch of mountains. I ended up making a python script that downloaded podcast episodes to listen to, and to force my brother to watch Your Mom’s House, when he was with me on the drive.
It was surprisingly simple to do this.
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I’m glad that their are contemporary historians and archivists perusing YouTube so my great-great-great-great grandchildren can watch a video game review in which a grown man gets shit on by Bugs Bunny.
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I get why you like it. But in order to use this as intended with my browsing habits, it looks like I’d need to invest in some hefty storage systems and I’m not doing that
Greed? I mean they are not a charity and ads pay for the service. Don’t get me wrong I use ad block but to call it greed…
Yes, greed. Google is an extremely profitable company, wanting more money than they already have is completely unreasonable.
Unlimited growth is not impossible! Consider having all the money in the world when it starts to burn. Must be nice.
They don’t owe us jack shit. If they want to block users of AdBlock I’m sure it’s within their right to do so, and it’s within yours to look elsewhere.
It’s frustrating, but like the parent comment said: they’re not running a charity.
Precisely why internet services should be nationalized.
I have paid for YouTube Premium for 5 years…forgot there were ads on YouTube🤔
YT premium is one of those things I’m pretty happy to pay for, because I know the creators I watch are getting much more money per view from me versus someone who watches with the ads.
The actual lack of ads is just a massive bonus since I would have been able to block them anyway. (Well, until this change)
Also, that and I’m one of the 5 people out there actually using YouTube music rather than Spotify
Yeah I use YouTube music…I really like it
Yeah, i didn’t use a 1st party app for about 5 years, forgot about them too
I think ublock already got around this no? I have had 0 issues
Really not worth watching a 10 minute video that has four minutes of YouTube ads and a minute of a sponsor pitch by the creator.
Peertube, Nebula, Patreon, etc. You don’t have to use YouTube.
Plus, Newpipe and the likes have been doing pretty well at getting around YouTube ads so far, it’s just the main YouTube website that has been more problematic.
Neat lil app. Would be nice if you were able to see all the YouTube playlists for a creator. When you go to a creators YouTube channel, it just lists a bunch of their random videos.
Also, a screencast functionality would be good too!
Yt-dlp, NewPipe, Invidious…
It’ll be a very sad day when those no longer work.
The day they no longer work is the day I stop watching youtube.
The day they no longer work is the day a new open source project is born
Check out Odysee. Open source, decentralized, great interface. It’ s a great youtube alternative but is unfortunately still a little lacking in content.
Hopefully youtube continuing to pull shit like this will drive users there, much like reddit has driven users here.
I’m not so sure that this is anything to worry about. It’s just another step in the game of cat and mouse. Is it annoying? Of course! But if/when it goes mainstream, ad blockers are just going to push updates that make it possible to block the ad block blocker. uBlock Origin does a really good job at blocking ad block blockers on most sites.
True, especially with the fuckfuckadblock list which really mitigates most
aDvLoKC d3TeKteDbullshit.Honestly, using uBO (which is really the only blocker anyone should be using) I never see those popups anyway. And that list apparently causes unintended connections to google servers (warning, there’s some drama in this issue between the ublock dev and the list’s dev, but gorhill comes off more reasonable here.)
So really, just turn on most of the filter lists in uBO settings as per your need and you should be good to go.
lol I’ve seen plenty of social media drama, but this is probably the most hilarious drama I’ve ever seen. Imagine getting into a fight on the GitHub issue tracker. 😆
oh, it happens all the time lol
a great recent-ish example is the time some kid PR’ed a dumb readme edit to an Unreal Engine repo which was used only for making people sign a TOS before getting access to the engine’s source code, which led to… this.
lol this is hilarious. I feel bad for Rohith, but the fact that it was possible for such a mistake to even be made is hilarious. The people being rude to him in the replies though all suck.
Yeah, I feel the same. The consequences weren’t even all that extreme. And more importantly, it’s really not his fault that Epic set up the group that way, and the grown men malding and screaming at a child like melodramatic pissbabies are truly a clownshow. I laughed out loud at the “Lock it. Lock it now.” guy - how can one sniff their own farts to such a degree?
Yeah. Seeing those things makes me wonder what it must be like to have them as coworkers.
It’s happened a couple of times by now, last time was the developer of node-ipc being roasted for shipping malware in production that thrashed hard drives if it detected a Russian IP address
Discussion at the end degrades into name calling
This was quite interesting and also incredibly cringe on the dev’s part.
Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.
When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.
Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?
Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.
It’s so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I’m logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.
Sadly most younger people haven’t even heard of Firefox.
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Well, we are in the worst cyberpunk timeline so…
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Right? After years of feeling like the only pro-firefox person left on the planet, the pro Firefox sentiment lately is a breath of fresh air, to say the least.
Most young people are basically tech illiterate. Yeah they are fantastic with new apps and phones. But have zero idea how any of it works under the hood.
Ask them to transfer a file from a computer to a USB drive, most will not know how. They have no idea how a file system is structured or even that an app has to specifically made for different platforms… e.g. Facebook app on Apple is completely different from Facebook on Android and the two will contain different bugs and different settings.
We are almost back to default browser = internet
You’re absolutely right.
I think that’s mostly because most commercial apps have fantastic ui and ux.
Sadly, at the end of the day I prefer edge because it
has cloud voicesis slightly fasterMost younger people have heard of it. Using what came with their computer is just easier to them though.
I agree, most of the younger people use browsers that are bundled with the operating system.
You mean most people. Specifically anyone who isn’t a power user
Does this affect viewing youtube videos through external players, like mpv?
Must say I’m glad they’re doing this. Helps me stay off the platform and be more productive after the 3 videos, and requires me to plan which 3 videos I want to watch. If all addictive platforms had these self-moderating features, I’d definitely use them.
Greed didn’t lead someone, this is a shareholder entity. Each shareholder doesn’t even have to think about greed. The entity does it all for them. That’s why companies can do horrible things and everyone can sleep at night. It’s always the entity that did it not them. Shareholders are the root of all evil in this world today.
Nah, landlords are
landlords are but a branch of this tree of evil