looks like rendering adblockers extensions obsolete with manifest-v3 was not enough so now they try to implement DRM into the browser giving the ability to any website to refuse traffic to you if you don’t run a complaint browser ( cough…firefox )
here is an article in hacker news since i’m sure they can explain this to you better than i.
So here’s the thing. This web integrity nonsense isn’t about locking people into Chrome, it’s about locking people into seeing what they’d see if they were using Chrome. The result might be more people using chrome if a website decides to DRM their content and their ads, but if you switch from one Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the ads like Chrome does to another Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the content that the website originator wants you to, like Opera, that’s still a win for Google who are more interested in forcing you to see ads for this cause than for you to use Chrome.
The solution is voice objections to Google implementing this, to not use websites that implement DRM, and to not use web browsers that let Google dictate what the future of the web through their control of the Chromium engine
I think the point is if website operators start supporting this you might not have a choice but to use Chrome, if you want to browse any reasonably popular web site.
Then I will stop browsing them? I stopped using Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit quite easily. I can do it with others if they’re going to go down this route.
Bank sites don’t necessarily need to want to block ads to implement something like this. They will just see the headlines that say “this is more secure” and that will be enough for them to buy in to it.
Exactly. If this comes to pass, you’re still free to run an “unattested” browser if you want, but web sites are going to require it “for security” to make sure you are using an “untampered” with browser (I.e. no blocking ads)
If we break their fingers in all EU countrys, yours won’t even have to act… Like we could technically ban all website and browsers doing that from the entire market for this practice…
I’ve never been unable to access a site on Firefox due to DRM. There is a prompt asking to run DRM-enabled media, but that’s it.
Edit: or is there something about Manifest v3 that will get Firefox blocked somehow? IDK how as I would think it would be easy to pretend to be compliant.
Click the Github link in the original post. Google has an RFC open right now about “web integrity” about ensuring users don’t modify the content they see. They claim it’s not to block plugins but… It’s hard to think what else they could possibly be thinking of.
Not to the whole internet, but to important websites. I have no doubt you wouldn’t use those websites, but a person who is in the fediverse is already not the average user
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I mean, I’m using Chrome right now, but if they actually implement this and my ad blocker stops working, I’m switching to Opera or something.
Do they really expect to not lose browser users with this move?
So here’s the thing. This web integrity nonsense isn’t about locking people into Chrome, it’s about locking people into seeing what they’d see if they were using Chrome. The result might be more people using chrome if a website decides to DRM their content and their ads, but if you switch from one Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the ads like Chrome does to another Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the content that the website originator wants you to, like Opera, that’s still a win for Google who are more interested in forcing you to see ads for this cause than for you to use Chrome.
The solution is voice objections to Google implementing this, to not use websites that implement DRM, and to not use web browsers that let Google dictate what the future of the web through their control of the Chromium engine
I think the point is if website operators start supporting this you might not have a choice but to use Chrome, if you want to browse any reasonably popular web site.
Then I will stop browsing them? I stopped using Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit quite easily. I can do it with others if they’re going to go down this route.
Until they hit something you need if you want to function in the modern world.
Like what? Bank websites don’t really use ads. And I don’t use LinkedIn.
Bank sites don’t necessarily need to want to block ads to implement something like this. They will just see the headlines that say “this is more secure” and that will be enough for them to buy in to it.
ouch that would be painful
Internet Explorer tried real hard to do that. Pages were literally built only to run “properly” in IE.
Curious what round 2 would look like.
Exactly. If this comes to pass, you’re still free to run an “unattested” browser if you want, but web sites are going to require it “for security” to make sure you are using an “untampered” with browser (I.e. no blocking ads)
I will stop using any websites that try to do that.
If they do that they get chainsaw massacred by Antitrust Authoritys all over the world. And absolutely rightfully so.
Except in the US. We don’t enforce those laws here.
If we break their fingers in all EU countrys, yours won’t even have to act… Like we could technically ban all website and browsers doing that from the entire market for this practice…
I don’t think they would like us to do so…
opera is basically chrome under the hood
use Firefox or its forks like librewolf, mullvad
Hate to tell you this here but Opera is also chrome based…
To be helpful here is a list of all the browsers (according to Wikipedia anyway) that are actually just three chromes in a trench coat.
All chromium Browser are effected.
Firefox is the way.
You wouldn’t have access to the websites with a non ’ drm ’ compatible browser
I’ve never been unable to access a site on Firefox due to DRM. There is a prompt asking to run DRM-enabled media, but that’s it.
Edit: or is there something about Manifest v3 that will get Firefox blocked somehow? IDK how as I would think it would be easy to pretend to be compliant.
Click the Github link in the original post. Google has an RFC open right now about “web integrity” about ensuring users don’t modify the content they see. They claim it’s not to block plugins but… It’s hard to think what else they could possibly be thinking of.
I wouldn’t use websites that require that shit and would likely Report them to the Cartel Office for that practice.
Its absolutely impossible to do that to the entire internet anyway.
Not to the whole internet, but to important websites. I have no doubt you wouldn’t use those websites, but a person who is in the fediverse is already not the average user
Yeah, if your work uses a website like ADP and ADP starts requiring it, you’re suddenly minorly fucked
Firefox. I’ve heard Opera has gone to shit lately
Opera is fine atm honestly. But it’s a chromium based browser too so it would potentially have these issues eventually.