What? Why is that clear? Russia bombed a whole fresh wave of power stations right after the “cease fire,” and they’ve expressed interest in conscripting 140,000 more troops.
I think the likeliest outcome of the war is a partition roughly along the 2014 lines, which are basically the same as the current front lines. I see no particular reason to think that outcome is definitely close at hand though. It might be, or it might not be.
The difference with Palestine is that Palestinians are being genocided by an Imperialist entity.
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Russia is interested in a demillitarized Ukraine
Well, they sure fucked that up. The chance of Ukraine or anyone else on Russia’s border being comfortable with demilitarization has now entered negative territory, and any of them that can get their hands on nuclear weapons will be acquiring them.
the US and UK seem to want that to happen when they sabotage peace talks
If someone comes to your house, shoots your dog, and then says they’d like to open peace talks, while punching your daughter in the face repeatedly, not stopping while talking about peace talks, it’s okay to hit them with a bat. Even if they say that’s a “red line” for them. They don’t get to claim they were provoked into doing it by some third party. You don’t get to blame someone else for “sabotaging peace talks.” These are not complex issues, any more than Palestine is a complex issue. There’s some history there, sure. You could talk about where the conflict came from, and various instances of attacks on civilians by Palestinians, if you wanted to. But only some kind of disgusting quisling or deeply mistaken person would want to. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.
Besides, your talking points are a little out of date. Russia just recently sabotaged peace talks by continuing to attack Ukraine in ways they agreed they wouldn’t, after coming to an agreement in peace talks. That’s what sabotaging peace talks looks like. Are you not aware that that’s happening?
Bombing hospitals isn’t okay, period. However
I just lost any desire to be in this conversation. I don’t care what comes after “however.” If you need to follow that up with “however,” you’re wrong.
Blowing up people is wrong. Invading other nations and lying about it is wrong. Sabotaging peace talks by continuing to attack is wrong. These are not complicated issues.
I thought originally that you were sincere, just confused, but it’s hard for me to believe that anyone actually believes the things you’re saying. I don’t know why you are professing this viewpoint and I do not care.
The biggest factor is that most Ukrainians do not want to continue the war, and the US is beginning to pull out what little support there was, as Russia steadily makes territory gains. If the situation doesn’t appear to be able to be changed, it is in Ukraine’s interest to surrender earlier, rather than wait until they have no more bargaining power at all.
The situation is indeed fucked up, would’ve been better had Euromaidan never happened and NATO let Russia into it back when Putin first gained power, or NATO dissolved, but that didn’t happen. Even better would have been the USSR never dissolving.
As for sabotage, it was early in the war, and Ukraine was willing to talk. The US and the UK said no. Pretty clearly a violation of Ukraine’s rights in the conflict to begin with, it’s always been a proxy war using Ukrainian lives instead of the US. Its a free war.
If blowing up hospitals is wrong, then you’re also anti-Ukraine, I guess. The however wasn’t a justification, but pointing that both Ukraine and Russia have targeted civilian infrastructure, so you should be against both, and in favor of a peace deal, like I have been saying from the start.
If you don’t want to know what Marxists think, why start this convo in the first place?
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What? Why is that clear? Russia bombed a whole fresh wave of power stations right after the “cease fire,” and they’ve expressed interest in conscripting 140,000 more troops.
I think the likeliest outcome of the war is a partition roughly along the 2014 lines, which are basically the same as the current front lines. I see no particular reason to think that outcome is definitely close at hand though. It might be, or it might not be.
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Well, they sure fucked that up. The chance of Ukraine or anyone else on Russia’s border being comfortable with demilitarization has now entered negative territory, and any of them that can get their hands on nuclear weapons will be acquiring them.
If someone comes to your house, shoots your dog, and then says they’d like to open peace talks, while punching your daughter in the face repeatedly, not stopping while talking about peace talks, it’s okay to hit them with a bat. Even if they say that’s a “red line” for them. They don’t get to claim they were provoked into doing it by some third party. You don’t get to blame someone else for “sabotaging peace talks.” These are not complex issues, any more than Palestine is a complex issue. There’s some history there, sure. You could talk about where the conflict came from, and various instances of attacks on civilians by Palestinians, if you wanted to. But only some kind of disgusting quisling or deeply mistaken person would want to. Right is right. Wrong is wrong.
Besides, your talking points are a little out of date. Russia just recently sabotaged peace talks by continuing to attack Ukraine in ways they agreed they wouldn’t, after coming to an agreement in peace talks. That’s what sabotaging peace talks looks like. Are you not aware that that’s happening?
I just lost any desire to be in this conversation. I don’t care what comes after “however.” If you need to follow that up with “however,” you’re wrong.
Blowing up people is wrong. Invading other nations and lying about it is wrong. Sabotaging peace talks by continuing to attack is wrong. These are not complicated issues.
I thought originally that you were sincere, just confused, but it’s hard for me to believe that anyone actually believes the things you’re saying. I don’t know why you are professing this viewpoint and I do not care.
The biggest factor is that most Ukrainians do not want to continue the war, and the US is beginning to pull out what little support there was, as Russia steadily makes territory gains. If the situation doesn’t appear to be able to be changed, it is in Ukraine’s interest to surrender earlier, rather than wait until they have no more bargaining power at all.
The situation is indeed fucked up, would’ve been better had Euromaidan never happened and NATO let Russia into it back when Putin first gained power, or NATO dissolved, but that didn’t happen. Even better would have been the USSR never dissolving.
As for sabotage, it was early in the war, and Ukraine was willing to talk. The US and the UK said no. Pretty clearly a violation of Ukraine’s rights in the conflict to begin with, it’s always been a proxy war using Ukrainian lives instead of the US. Its a free war.
If blowing up hospitals is wrong, then you’re also anti-Ukraine, I guess. The however wasn’t a justification, but pointing that both Ukraine and Russia have targeted civilian infrastructure, so you should be against both, and in favor of a peace deal, like I have been saying from the start.
If you don’t want to know what Marxists think, why start this convo in the first place?