The liberals have really begun to stink the place up ever since they jumped ship en masse from Reddit. They joined a platform created & maintained by communists and constantly shit stir with the “look at what Lemmy.ml is doing”. Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest and original instances and it’s plainly obvious that transphobia isn’t tolerated there. That’s what the community demands, regardless of nutomic. Likely it has more trans users than most instances that people are using to complain about nutomic.
The same people simply have it in for Lemmy.ml and won’t stop until every instance defederates from it. Nutomic’s views are just another means for them to achieve that goal.
Maybe one of them will step up and create their own alternative platform and they can all clear off to that one for good.
Personally, I don’t care that they are communists. A lot of it is just that they’re dicks. I would feel almost the exact same way if they were MAGA people, or pro-Nancy Pelosi people, or for that matter Bernie Sanders people or just non-political people, that harassed and banned and mocked anyone who disagreed with them in the same way that .ml does.
That would be moderate or centrist, but I’m not sure why you’re asking. Liberalism is the opposite of authoritarianism and fascism, not the synonym of centrism.
Those terms are already defined. What are they teaching in secondary and post-secondary schools?! For the love of everything decent, we definitely need to bring back and implement classical liberal arts education alongside STEM, beginning in primary school.
Libertarianism, not liberalism, is the opposite of authoritarianism. I’m not referring to the right-wing, capitalist ideology.
See the political compass for a way to visualize political ideologies. Liberals rest in between libertarianism and authoritarianism, usually in the center, but I’d say they generally lean towards authoritarianism more than you would think.
I’ve only ever seen one comment from nutomic cited as evidence of transphobia. And its a DM responding to some mystery comment that is never posted alongside it. A bit suspicious when the only evidence is presented without context.
Though it does contain the transphobic dogwhistle, “biological man,” but that term is also one a reasonable person could reasonably reach from a place of ignorance. He also admitted to knowing very little about trans issues.
Also the trans comments are just one in a list of things. Without context there’s no way to know if those even are his own ideas, or a summery of the mystery comment he’s responding to, but also clearly disagrees with.
The opposition to nutomic on the basis of transphobia feels very much like a witch hunt. This doesn’t seem like strongly held anti-trans beliefs. People are occasionally wrong or misinformed about things. And that’s okay!
Edit: misremembered the specific language in the quote
People act like “snowflakes” when it comes to certain subjects and jump to conclusions full of wrong assumptions. Even though I hate this term, I feel like it’s the accurate one.
Remember: if you don’t know, you’re a transphobe. If you don’t act, you’re a transphobe. If you’re wrong and are willing to learn, you’re still a transphobe and you’ll always be. at some point if you exist, you’re transphobic. - same issue applies for many other things. People love talking shit and their words often have no real meaning or base
I was pretty clearly asking the person who posted the screenshots.
You’re doing that annoying thing that redditors started doing where you barge into a conversation several replies deep answering a question by pretending to be the person who was asked.
There are plenty of messages in this thread that are not asking a specific user for their thoughts, you could reply to instead. Read the room.
And? I’m not impersonating anyone. I’m just giving my opinion and discussing.
How about not being a dick? Damn.
Fun fact: in a forum-like environment, most conversations are between multiple people, and people are encouraged to jump in at any point if they feel like they have something to add to the conversation.
He hasn’t apologised. If he knew very little about trans people back then, that’s bad, because he’s a socialist and should be educating himself on the whole sphere of leftism. But refusing to apologise after all this criticism, all the dozens of people who’ve asked him to apologise to his face? That means he’s really truly thought about the issue, and he isn’t ashamed of his comment.
Drag agrees with all the people under that comment who say it’s not good enough. Nutomic was still being transphobic in the thread after the “apology”.
Communists don’t want to go through socialism to get to communism. That’s socialists. Marxist-Leninists are socialists, not communism. You sound like you’re an anarcho-communist. You’re more of a communist than Marxist-Leninists are.
People at home will moan about fascists and loss of their illusory freedoms at home, cheering when communists gain traction in other states, talking big about revo while the wolf is at their door, and 100% fling open the windows and invite in the fascist fox for cuddles and Netflix.
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The liberals have really begun to stink the place up ever since they jumped ship en masse from Reddit. They joined a platform created & maintained by communists and constantly shit stir with the “look at what Lemmy.ml is doing”. Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest and original instances and it’s plainly obvious that transphobia isn’t tolerated there. That’s what the community demands, regardless of nutomic. Likely it has more trans users than most instances that people are using to complain about nutomic.
The same people simply have it in for Lemmy.ml and won’t stop until every instance defederates from it. Nutomic’s views are just another means for them to achieve that goal.
Maybe one of them will step up and create their own alternative platform and they can all clear off to that one for good.
Personally, I don’t care that they are communists. A lot of it is just that they’re dicks. I would feel almost the exact same way if they were MAGA people, or pro-Nancy Pelosi people, or for that matter Bernie Sanders people or just non-political people, that harassed and banned and mocked anyone who disagreed with them in the same way that .ml does.
If you want to control who uses your platform and to police wrongthink, it’s best not release your project as open source with federation features.
This is common sense.
Bit of a dual edged sword.
People who use the word “liberal” as a slur like this are some of the worst people on this planet.
Do you have a better name for people with middle ground political views?
That would be moderate or centrist, but I’m not sure why you’re asking. Liberalism is the opposite of authoritarianism and fascism, not the synonym of centrism.
Socially left and economically right isn’t left.
Who are you to define what’s left and right 👀
Those terms are really subjective
Those terms are already defined. What are they teaching in secondary and post-secondary schools?! For the love of everything decent, we definitely need to bring back and implement classical liberal arts education alongside STEM, beginning in primary school.
Libertarianism, not liberalism, is the opposite of authoritarianism. I’m not referring to the right-wing, capitalist ideology.
See the political compass for a way to visualize political ideologies. Liberals rest in between libertarianism and authoritarianism, usually in the center, but I’d say they generally lean towards authoritarianism more than you would think.
Replace “liberal” with whichever word you prefer, the point remains
Yeah, Marxist-Leninists. You’re in between anarchists and capitalists.
I’ve only ever seen one comment from nutomic cited as evidence of transphobia. And its a DM responding to some mystery comment that is never posted alongside it. A bit suspicious when the only evidence is presented without context.
Though it does contain the transphobic dogwhistle, “biological man,” but that term is also one a reasonable person could reasonably reach from a place of ignorance. He also admitted to knowing very little about trans issues.
Also the trans comments are just one in a list of things. Without context there’s no way to know if those even are his own ideas, or a summery of the mystery comment he’s responding to, but also clearly disagrees with.
The opposition to nutomic on the basis of transphobia feels very much like a witch hunt. This doesn’t seem like strongly held anti-trans beliefs. People are occasionally wrong or misinformed about things. And that’s okay!
Edit: misremembered the specific language in the quote
some context
Thanks so much for posting this. Since you’re clearly more familiar with nutomic, and this conversation do you think my assessment is off base?
This context doesn’t change my conclusion, but I’m clearly a prime target for confirmation bias as I made up my mind before seeing it.
nutomic is clearly not transphobic
I’m not either, and got censored big time
People act like “snowflakes” when it comes to certain subjects and jump to conclusions full of wrong assumptions. Even though I hate this term, I feel like it’s the accurate one.
Remember: if you don’t know, you’re a transphobe. If you don’t act, you’re a transphobe. If you’re wrong and are willing to learn, you’re still a transphobe and you’ll always be. at some point if you exist, you’re transphobic. - same issue applies for many other things. People love talking shit and their words often have no real meaning or base
Who are you?
@[email protected] I guess
I was pretty clearly asking the person who posted the screenshots.
You’re doing that annoying thing that redditors started doing where you barge into a conversation several replies deep answering a question by pretending to be the person who was asked.
There are plenty of messages in this thread that are not asking a specific user for their thoughts, you could reply to instead. Read the room.
And? I’m not impersonating anyone. I’m just giving my opinion and discussing.
How about not being a dick? Damn.
Fun fact: in a forum-like environment, most conversations are between multiple people, and people are encouraged to jump in at any point if they feel like they have something to add to the conversation.
Nutomic is banned from blahaj anyway.
He hasn’t apologised. If he knew very little about trans people back then, that’s bad, because he’s a socialist and should be educating himself on the whole sphere of leftism. But refusing to apologise after all this criticism, all the dozens of people who’ve asked him to apologise to his face? That means he’s really truly thought about the issue, and he isn’t ashamed of his comment.
He has, on the lemmy.ml post
Apologizing to blahaj is something I don’t wish to my worse enemy. Blahaj is joining the lemmygrad and hexbear category for me
Link?
Here you go!
Entering it here as well if hyperlinks don’t work: https://lemmy.ml/comment/18404108
Drag agrees with all the people under that comment who say it’s not good enough. Nutomic was still being transphobic in the thread after the “apology”.
Alright then. That’s your opinion then, drag :)
And yea that wasn’t really an apology indeed
This is a fediverse and i use mbin… commies don’t own it. try again clown
Communists don’t want to go through socialism to get to communism. That’s socialists. Marxist-Leninists are socialists, not communism. You sound like you’re an anarcho-communist. You’re more of a communist than Marxist-Leninists are.
This meme is my views, using Marxist-Leninist definitions. Of course it’s nonsense, ML newspeak is designed to make anarchism incomprehensible.
People at home will moan about fascists and loss of their illusory freedoms at home, cheering when communists gain traction in other states, talking big about revo while the wolf is at their door, and 100% fling open the windows and invite in the fascist fox for cuddles and Netflix.