I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
Going on about how “censored” everything is and how “certain political ideologies” are the only opinions allowed and anything else is “insta-banned” reeks of right wing extremism (hence, dogwhistles). I know I’m sticking my neck out to say so but given nobody has yet provided a single receipt/anecdote to back up their claims I find myself super skeptical at the idea that they’re presenting even a marginally balanced version of the truth right now. There’s a reason “certain political ideologies” (ie. the “eradicate trans ideology” and “destroy wokeism” crowd) are not accepted in decent online circles. There’s no room for that kind of hate, and I’ve never met someone on that side of things willing to hold an honest conversation on it. They just want a platform to be hateful.
This strategy reminds me of right-wingers I’ve dealt with in the past who complained about being banned from Twitter for ‘simply saying “learn to code”’. If you understand the context, the harassment, kicking someone when they’re down, the dogpile they contributed to, the absolute hate campaign their seemingly innocuous (piece of a) comment contributed to, there’s completely sensible reasons why a ban like that took place. But I know the playbook; these guys thrive in the darkness. The moment I start prodding into the nuances, they pretend they were trolling the whole time and basically ragequit. If they control the messaging then they can make themselves sound reasonable by tearing away context and presenting a whitewashed and often unrealistic version of what happened.
I could be wrong; for all I know this guy’s talking about truly god-awful subs like r/TrueRateMyFace (I forget what the name was and it doesn’t deserve to be remembered, as the mods explicitly support men posting their exes on there and actively ban commenters who “overrate” the scores they give out, while pretending they’re working with an objective measure of true beauty) but I haven’t experienced this egregious political de-platforming they’re talking about and it’s telling that they didn’t go into any level of specifics except to keep harping on the “censorship” point. Not every opinion or argument deserves a platform.
Appreciate you taking the time to explain. That’s not really the vibe I caught, but I could be projecting.
I, too, am upset at how echo chambery reddit became, and the knee-jerk censorship the mods displayed. I had an account permanently and immediately banned from politics for “hate speech” because I said that DINOs Kirsten Sinema and Joe Manchin were date rapists for bending the Democratic party over against its will after taking them out to a nice dinner. Over the next few weeks, I was silently banned from about a dozen other subs.
Turns out that the person behind it all was the same “powermod” who threw a colossal tantrum after being banned herself just a couple of weeks ago.
I disagree with you about globally deplatforming “the bad guys,” because I don’t get to choose who they are, and one day - like above - that “bad guy” could end up being you.
if you get banned from enough subs you get that account suspended. try to come back as an alt and get banned again, your get ip banned from the site.
powermods would abuse their position as mods of multiple subs to silence and harass people they didn’t like or agree with. I myself was a victim of this.
it doesn’t matter if reddit is woke, what matters is the behavior. doesn’t matter if the powermod in question is left or right leaning, they still basically have the power to ban someone from the entire site, merely because they don’t like your politics, or worse, one comment you made on one sub.
even if that comment is bannable, doesn’t mean you should be banned from unrelated subs, let alone the site. it’s also double ridiculous when you are a power user or other significant person in the sub who has helped build the community and some power mod decides you’re a threat to them.
Dog whistle literally just means coded language that an ordinary observer might not notice, but can be used to subtly identify other like-minded individuals.
Not all dog whistles are necessarily bad (depending on perspective). I’m an ex-mormon, and one dog whistle is a tapir. Without more information, it is too subtle to really know for certain whether I just like tapirs, or that I’m actually ex-mormon. But eventually, two ex-mormons might see enough signals to finally confide in one another.
A lot of the language you used is innocuous enough, and I didn’t feel like it was at the level @hoodatninja claimed, but it definitely had a “Reddit was becoming too woke” vibe to it, without actually coming out and outright saying it, aka, a dog whistle.
When you’re looking for dog whistles because you want to try and dismiss someone’s point/opinion you tend to find them everywhere. Not because they’re actually there, but because everything looks like one when you’re of that mindset.
Reddit became too political. I literally said that. Lots of it is right wing, but vastly more of it is left wing. That’s not controversial to say. Their rules and enforcement literally state left wing talking points.
I’m not saying anything about being “too woke”, no. I’m saying it’s too political now, being run by mods and admin that push their political agendas and censor and ban everyone they disagree with. It goes both ways, “far left” and “far right”. It just so happens though that the admins have made the site rules more “far left” meaning unless you play along with their talking points and ideologies you get banned.
This is the exact thing you see in liberal circles - just say any objections to the politics is complaining about “being too woke”.
I’m basing it off literally seeing things people get banned for. You can see all comments that get removed by admins/mods by going to reveddit.com. You get banned for “hate speech” for daring to say something as controversial as biological males shouldn’t compete in sports against biological females.
I’m not a conservative btw. Have never voted for the Conservative Party in my country. I’ve voted for our “far left” independents more than I’ve voted for even our regular “liberals”.
As I said, Reddit has gotten too political across the board, irrespective of which way it leans. If they banned people for being pro abortion I’d be against that since I’m pro abortion rights. It’s just a fact that Reddit leans very left in its moderation.
I’ll ask you a question - do you think it was a conservative or a liberal that made “misgendering” a hate speech violation and ban worthy on Reddit?
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I’m honestly missing them. Would you mind pointing out a couple?
Going on about how “censored” everything is and how “certain political ideologies” are the only opinions allowed and anything else is “insta-banned” reeks of right wing extremism (hence, dogwhistles). I know I’m sticking my neck out to say so but given nobody has yet provided a single receipt/anecdote to back up their claims I find myself super skeptical at the idea that they’re presenting even a marginally balanced version of the truth right now. There’s a reason “certain political ideologies” (ie. the “eradicate trans ideology” and “destroy wokeism” crowd) are not accepted in decent online circles. There’s no room for that kind of hate, and I’ve never met someone on that side of things willing to hold an honest conversation on it. They just want a platform to be hateful.
This strategy reminds me of right-wingers I’ve dealt with in the past who complained about being banned from Twitter for ‘simply saying “learn to code”’. If you understand the context, the harassment, kicking someone when they’re down, the dogpile they contributed to, the absolute hate campaign their seemingly innocuous (piece of a) comment contributed to, there’s completely sensible reasons why a ban like that took place. But I know the playbook; these guys thrive in the darkness. The moment I start prodding into the nuances, they pretend they were trolling the whole time and basically ragequit. If they control the messaging then they can make themselves sound reasonable by tearing away context and presenting a whitewashed and often unrealistic version of what happened.
I could be wrong; for all I know this guy’s talking about truly god-awful subs like r/TrueRateMyFace (I forget what the name was and it doesn’t deserve to be remembered, as the mods explicitly support men posting their exes on there and actively ban commenters who “overrate” the scores they give out, while pretending they’re working with an objective measure of true beauty) but I haven’t experienced this egregious political de-platforming they’re talking about and it’s telling that they didn’t go into any level of specifics except to keep harping on the “censorship” point. Not every opinion or argument deserves a platform.
… damnit, you’re right. That slipped by me last night, thanks for pointing it out.
Appreciate you taking the time to explain. That’s not really the vibe I caught, but I could be projecting.
I, too, am upset at how echo chambery reddit became, and the knee-jerk censorship the mods displayed. I had an account permanently and immediately banned from politics for “hate speech” because I said that DINOs Kirsten Sinema and Joe Manchin were date rapists for bending the Democratic party over against its will after taking them out to a nice dinner. Over the next few weeks, I was silently banned from about a dozen other subs.
Turns out that the person behind it all was the same “powermod” who threw a colossal tantrum after being banned herself just a couple of weeks ago.
I disagree with you about globally deplatforming “the bad guys,” because I don’t get to choose who they are, and one day - like above - that “bad guy” could end up being you.
Don’t like it, or can’t deal with it? Block them.
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if you get banned from enough subs you get that account suspended. try to come back as an alt and get banned again, your get ip banned from the site.
powermods would abuse their position as mods of multiple subs to silence and harass people they didn’t like or agree with. I myself was a victim of this.
it doesn’t matter if reddit is woke, what matters is the behavior. doesn’t matter if the powermod in question is left or right leaning, they still basically have the power to ban someone from the entire site, merely because they don’t like your politics, or worse, one comment you made on one sub.
even if that comment is bannable, doesn’t mean you should be banned from unrelated subs, let alone the site. it’s also double ridiculous when you are a power user or other significant person in the sub who has helped build the community and some power mod decides you’re a threat to them.
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Everything is a “dog whistle” when you don’t understand what a dog whistle is but hear people use it and want to use it yourself.
Dog whistle literally just means coded language that an ordinary observer might not notice, but can be used to subtly identify other like-minded individuals.
Not all dog whistles are necessarily bad (depending on perspective). I’m an ex-mormon, and one dog whistle is a tapir. Without more information, it is too subtle to really know for certain whether I just like tapirs, or that I’m actually ex-mormon. But eventually, two ex-mormons might see enough signals to finally confide in one another.
A lot of the language you used is innocuous enough, and I didn’t feel like it was at the level @hoodatninja claimed, but it definitely had a “Reddit was becoming too woke” vibe to it, without actually coming out and outright saying it, aka, a dog whistle.
When you’re looking for dog whistles because you want to try and dismiss someone’s point/opinion you tend to find them everywhere. Not because they’re actually there, but because everything looks like one when you’re of that mindset.
Reddit became too political. I literally said that. Lots of it is right wing, but vastly more of it is left wing. That’s not controversial to say. Their rules and enforcement literally state left wing talking points.
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I’m not saying anything about being “too woke”, no. I’m saying it’s too political now, being run by mods and admin that push their political agendas and censor and ban everyone they disagree with. It goes both ways, “far left” and “far right”. It just so happens though that the admins have made the site rules more “far left” meaning unless you play along with their talking points and ideologies you get banned.
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This is the exact thing you see in liberal circles - just say any objections to the politics is complaining about “being too woke”.
I’m basing it off literally seeing things people get banned for. You can see all comments that get removed by admins/mods by going to reveddit.com. You get banned for “hate speech” for daring to say something as controversial as biological males shouldn’t compete in sports against biological females.
I’m not a conservative btw. Have never voted for the Conservative Party in my country. I’ve voted for our “far left” independents more than I’ve voted for even our regular “liberals”.
As I said, Reddit has gotten too political across the board, irrespective of which way it leans. If they banned people for being pro abortion I’d be against that since I’m pro abortion rights. It’s just a fact that Reddit leans very left in its moderation.
I’ll ask you a question - do you think it was a conservative or a liberal that made “misgendering” a hate speech violation and ban worthy on Reddit?
Watch out so you don’t cut yourself on all that edge.