I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
I loved Reddit until I realized they were just going to do whatever they wanted and the community, apart from creating free content and work, didn’t matter. But the lying about discussions with the app creator was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Suddenly they weren’t just a bully, but they were a proven lying, dishonest bully. Everything that they say going forward will be suspect, so I decided to walk away. Who knows what they’re doing with my data/content. I know what they’re telling me. I don’t know what’s true.
I deleted most of my posts from my nearly 14-year history except for a handful that I think need to stay up and a couple of others that I’m testing something on. I log in every once in a while to leave any groups that might have unlocked since I was last there and delete those posts too.
I don’t hate them. But they’ve lost my trust, and I don’t see any way to regain it.
There could have been other, better solutions. The biggest problem right now is that the only tool in Steve Huffman’s toolbox is a hammer.
I’ve seen the opposite. A few days into the blackout, I saw someone post this meme about dictatorships where they (literally) put a picture of Spez right next to Tiananmen Square
For me personally, I joined Lemmy a couple days ago because Reddit shut Joey off with now notice amidst trying to negotiate payment for a paid API. Maybe the users you’re noticing are in a similar situation. I personally have no issues with reddit but I was a lurker there.
I loved Reddit, but after the API shenanigans and the doubling down I went sour… and then I read the latest TOS…
You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.
i.e. whatever you post WE own forever and we never have to credit you. It’s so horrifyingly immoral.
Didn’t they straight up say that at one point? And I don’t begrudge that: it makes sense. Potentially the next big wave of hotness is being trained on existing content like Reddit. They are potentially profiting off Reddit. It’s fair that Reddit should get a cut of that.
But there has to be a better way than to go through swinging a hammer side to side and not caring who you bludgeon
I’ve not seen this “waive moral rights or attribution” in any other site. It’s not in Twitter’s, it’s not in Facebook, I don’t think it’s even legal in a lot of jurisdictions (moral rights cannot easily be contracted away).
The preserving of the integrity of the work allows the author to object to alteration, distortion, or mutilation of the work that is “prejudicial to the author’s honor or reputation”
i.e. under the new TOS Reddit can edit your post to say that you eat dead puppies
I feel a part of it is similar to anger of the natural process of grieving. Many of us spent years contributing to the platform and enjoyed just spending time with other like-minded members of subreddits. I personally loved reading the chains of comments. Reddit was a great source of pleasure; a place for sharing humor, frustrations, and other random cool things. Much of what made it enjoyable, including he third party apps, was taken away in a fashion that felt like the user base was betrayed, hence the utter vehement expression of some former users. It will pass in time.
I do hope it does, I don’t particularly enjoy the hating in general. Kills the chill vibes around here. Which is why I’m trying to understand it better.
I was a post-blackout refugee myself, I’m not OG Fediverse. But the tone in those initial days of migration were overall a lot more chilled out. It’s really not until this past week or so that it feels like the hate machine is firing up.
I was wondering if maybe people were still blaming the hacks on reddit or something, I know that was flying around for awhile.
It reminds me of watching a particularly nasty break-up play out, with emotions running high and lots of bile being spewed.
I dunno - I never especially liked Reddit in the first place, so it’s just a thing I see others do. I moved there sort of grudgingly about ten years ago because there just weren’t any other visble alternatives, and I’ve been more or less actively looking for a replacemnet all along, so when the threadiverse took off, I was ready.
But I suspect that for a lot of people, it’s essentially that they invested a lot into the relationship, and then suddenly their partner betrayed them, and now they’re pissed.
I don’t hate it, but every time now that I get linked to a Reddit post, I look at the comments, and every time I get a little more shocked at the amount of low-value, hateful comments over there compared to here.
In other words, I don’t hate it, but I feel like it hates me.
I do think there are waves of people moving from Reddit to Lemmy for one reason or another, each of them infuriated with Reddit and needing to express it. We had the wave of people that reacted to the news of the API changes, people that moved over after Reddit responded poorly to the protests, people that moved here after their Reddit app of choice stopped working, people after the latest set of third party apps stopped working, people after Reddit removed gold, people after the app icon was changed…
People are at different stages of dealing with Reddit, some of us who left sooner have moved on, some people are moving here currently outraged with Reddit, and some are in between.
I imagine we’ll keep seeing these waves of people for a while, and that’s ok, the best thing we can do is validate their feelings toward Reddit, welcome them, and keep the memes rolling.
Yeah. That’s also what i’ve told people. It just takes some time for things to settle, until a new balance and new culture is established. We need to figure out a few things, maybe cry or get angry. Solve technical problems and so on. There are real feelings involved and a few people have lost a place they once belonged or a community they liked. I still see disappointment, frustration mixed with excitement and curiosity for something novel. Things will settle down and the past feelings will become less important.
I have disliked the direction of reddit ever since they made the new interface and removed css rules from subs. It was the first time, of many, that I saw reddit take something from the community and screw it up, all just to make the website more boring. It was especially annoying in that it removed text flairs from support and marketplace subs and forced people to come up with external systems.
They did it more often. Things like Reddit Gold were not first made by reddit, did you know? The whole API thing is just the concrete slab that pulverized the camel all the way to hell. Of all the things they took or took away, taking away the app I was using since years before they even made one was just too much. I can go from passively disliking them to actively hating them.
Plus, what ideas did they actually have that was original or good? “Hey guys, we stole Facebook’s chat”. “Hey guys, we added crypto”. The community makes bots that mediate debates, convert video format or do reminders, meanwhile reddit busies itself by ruining the Relevant option on its already bad search and then fucks off while stating “eh, you fucking degenerate nerds use site:reddit.com anyways”
We’re still discussing Reddit? That’s so 2.5 weeks old 😝 moved here because of spaz’ rule, not because I hate Reddit. It was a fun time which will be remembered.
It’s time to hate the looming threat of the colossus that meta now setting eyes on gobbling up the guppies. It makes reddit stuff look so trivial in comparison.
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seems pretty obvious
It came from Reddit being stupid as fuck.
I’m indifferent about Reddit. I’m just here because I want to see open-source and the fediverse do well.
I loved Reddit until I realized they were just going to do whatever they wanted and the community, apart from creating free content and work, didn’t matter. But the lying about discussions with the app creator was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Suddenly they weren’t just a bully, but they were a proven lying, dishonest bully. Everything that they say going forward will be suspect, so I decided to walk away. Who knows what they’re doing with my data/content. I know what they’re telling me. I don’t know what’s true.
I deleted most of my posts from my nearly 14-year history except for a handful that I think need to stay up and a couple of others that I’m testing something on. I log in every once in a while to leave any groups that might have unlocked since I was last there and delete those posts too.
I don’t hate them. But they’ve lost my trust, and I don’t see any way to regain it.
There could have been other, better solutions. The biggest problem right now is that the only tool in Steve Huffman’s toolbox is a hammer.
More like a bent tire iron he borrowed from Elon. A hammer would be quick and efficient at least, two things which he is not.
I’ve seen the opposite. A few days into the blackout, I saw someone post this meme about dictatorships where they (literally) put a picture of Spez right next to Tiananmen Square
For me personally, I joined Lemmy a couple days ago because Reddit shut Joey off with now notice amidst trying to negotiate payment for a paid API. Maybe the users you’re noticing are in a similar situation. I personally have no issues with reddit but I was a lurker there.
Joey was great, I still feel bad for the dev
I loved Reddit, but after the API shenanigans and the doubling down I went sour… and then I read the latest TOS…
i.e. whatever you post WE own forever and we never have to credit you. It’s so horrifyingly immoral.
I bet they’re angling to sell data for AI training.
Didn’t they straight up say that at one point? And I don’t begrudge that: it makes sense. Potentially the next big wave of hotness is being trained on existing content like Reddit. They are potentially profiting off Reddit. It’s fair that Reddit should get a cut of that.
But there has to be a better way than to go through swinging a hammer side to side and not caring who you bludgeon
That’s a pretty standard TOS clause for any website that hosts user content these days.
Which ones?
Stack exchange is CC licensed, and they host a lot of user content.
I’ve not seen this “waive moral rights or attribution” in any other site. It’s not in Twitter’s, it’s not in Facebook, I don’t think it’s even legal in a lot of jurisdictions (moral rights cannot easily be contracted away).
I’m not sure what that’s even suppose to mean
Moral rights
i.e. under the new TOS Reddit can edit your post to say that you eat dead puppies
Mine mostly comes from how they treated Christian, the developer of the Apollo app. Ridiculous.
Also remember their behavior towards Aaron Swartz
I feel a part of it is similar to anger of the natural process of grieving. Many of us spent years contributing to the platform and enjoyed just spending time with other like-minded members of subreddits. I personally loved reading the chains of comments. Reddit was a great source of pleasure; a place for sharing humor, frustrations, and other random cool things. Much of what made it enjoyable, including he third party apps, was taken away in a fashion that felt like the user base was betrayed, hence the utter vehement expression of some former users. It will pass in time.
I do hope it does, I don’t particularly enjoy the hating in general. Kills the chill vibes around here. Which is why I’m trying to understand it better.
I was a post-blackout refugee myself, I’m not OG Fediverse. But the tone in those initial days of migration were overall a lot more chilled out. It’s really not until this past week or so that it feels like the hate machine is firing up.
I was wondering if maybe people were still blaming the hacks on reddit or something, I know that was flying around for awhile.
That tends to happen when a site you frequent suddenly decides a portion of its users will have to visit with the worst experience possible or leave.
Additionally, false accusations and actions taking by Steve and Reddit admins only poked the wasp hive even more.
It reminds me of watching a particularly nasty break-up play out, with emotions running high and lots of bile being spewed.
I dunno - I never especially liked Reddit in the first place, so it’s just a thing I see others do. I moved there sort of grudgingly about ten years ago because there just weren’t any other visble alternatives, and I’ve been more or less actively looking for a replacemnet all along, so when the threadiverse took off, I was ready.
But I suspect that for a lot of people, it’s essentially that they invested a lot into the relationship, and then suddenly their partner betrayed them, and now they’re pissed.
I don’t hate it, but every time now that I get linked to a Reddit post, I look at the comments, and every time I get a little more shocked at the amount of low-value, hateful comments over there compared to here.
In other words, I don’t hate it, but I feel like it hates me.
I do think there are waves of people moving from Reddit to Lemmy for one reason or another, each of them infuriated with Reddit and needing to express it. We had the wave of people that reacted to the news of the API changes, people that moved over after Reddit responded poorly to the protests, people that moved here after their Reddit app of choice stopped working, people after the latest set of third party apps stopped working, people after Reddit removed gold, people after the app icon was changed…
People are at different stages of dealing with Reddit, some of us who left sooner have moved on, some people are moving here currently outraged with Reddit, and some are in between.
I imagine we’ll keep seeing these waves of people for a while, and that’s ok, the best thing we can do is validate their feelings toward Reddit, welcome them, and keep the memes rolling.
Very well said. This encompasses the conclusion I eventually came to myself from reading people’s conversations in this thread.
Yeah. That’s also what i’ve told people. It just takes some time for things to settle, until a new balance and new culture is established. We need to figure out a few things, maybe cry or get angry. Solve technical problems and so on. There are real feelings involved and a few people have lost a place they once belonged or a community they liked. I still see disappointment, frustration mixed with excitement and curiosity for something novel. Things will settle down and the past feelings will become less important.
I have disliked the direction of reddit ever since they made the new interface and removed css rules from subs. It was the first time, of many, that I saw reddit take something from the community and screw it up, all just to make the website more boring. It was especially annoying in that it removed text flairs from support and marketplace subs and forced people to come up with external systems.
They did it more often. Things like Reddit Gold were not first made by reddit, did you know? The whole API thing is just the concrete slab that pulverized the camel all the way to hell. Of all the things they took or took away, taking away the app I was using since years before they even made one was just too much. I can go from passively disliking them to actively hating them.
Plus, what ideas did they actually have that was original or good? “Hey guys, we stole Facebook’s chat”. “Hey guys, we added crypto”. The community makes bots that mediate debates, convert video format or do reminders, meanwhile reddit busies itself by ruining the Relevant option on its already bad search and then fucks off while stating “eh, you fucking degenerate nerds use site:reddit.com anyways”
reddit’s whole api used to be open and any user could run scripts with a bit of php. it was incredibly fun and interesting.
Wasn’t one of the now deceased founders the creator of RSS and a heavy advocate of open internet?
R.I.P. Aaron Swartz
We’re still discussing Reddit? That’s so 2.5 weeks old 😝 moved here because of spaz’ rule, not because I hate Reddit. It was a fun time which will be remembered.
It’s time to hate the looming threat of the colossus that meta now setting eyes on gobbling up the guppies. It makes reddit stuff look so trivial in comparison.