I don’t think I’d bother with a kbin app anyway - I’m fine with the way it is already.

Ah. Yes - I agree entirely.

I sure as hell hope it doesn’t become mainstream - I don’t think there’s ever been a single thing that’s benefitted over the long-term from mainstream popularity.

I understand that you don’t want to be seen as gatekeeping, but I don’t share that aversion. I overtly want the fediverse to remain somewhat confusing and opaque, and specifically so that dumb and/or impatient and/or lazy people will stay away. I think that every single person who gets confused and frustrated here and goes back to Reddit or Twitter is a net gain for the fediverse.

I want an echo chamber of users with empathy

Really?

I would think then that at the very least, you wouldn’t be such an asshole.

You don’t need a mod or a bot to do it for you. You can go find communities on other instances and subscribe to them, and that all by itself gets them added to the All feed on your home instance.

Or you could just register an account on a different instance that slready has more stuff on it, like lemmy.world.

Hell no.

How does that “help” their feed? What possible benefit could there be in using a bot to subscribe willy-nilly to every community out there, no matter how shitty it is?

I mean - if some instance owner wants to do that, that’s their choice, and I guess there are people out there who would like the resulting instance filled to the brim with every bit of garbage that exists anywhere in the fediverse, so it’s safe to assume that somebody will do it sooner or later. Personally, I think the idea is repulsive though.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in that other post - I think that the fact that each instance has a different “All” depending on what the members there have subscribed to is a good thing. It means that different instances have different feels, and over time, as they get more established, that’s going to be even more the case.

So for instance, a notably tech-oriented instance is going to end up displaying pretty much every tech-oriented community on the fediverse on its All because somebody on the instance will have subscribed to it, pretty much no matter what it is, AND at the same time, all of the stuff nobody’s interested in just won’t be there at all, because nobody bothered to subscribe to it in the first place.

Granted that that’s not going to appeal to people who want to be flooded with every bit of garbage on the entire fediverse when they click All, but they can just go away and sign up with some other instance that gives them what they want. Which I’m sure is exactly what the people who sought out a tech-oriented instance in the first place would prefer anyway.

Right, but there are lots of ways around that.

There’s already been a fair amount of demand for some method to group communities by interest, so it’s essentially guaranteed that somebody is going to provide some way to do that, and likely multiple somebodies are going to figure out multiple ways.

Note that this is one of the advantages of having an account on a smaller and/or more focused instance or having multiple accounts.

All “Alls” are not the same. Actually, the “All” displayed on a given instance is everything local to that instance and everything from other instances to which someone on that instance has subscribed. So if nobody from that instance has subscribed to a particular community on another instance, then for all intents and purposes, it just doesn’t exist. Even on “All”.

Granted that it’s somewhat unlikely for an instance to not have someone somewhere along the way subscribe to some notably popular community, it is possible, and the smaller and more focused the instance is, the more likely it is.

Like I said, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” at least 30 times on that page.

Oh, and this bit too, that I just noticed when I was counting "commumity"s:

Communities are the lifeblood of the Internet. But on today’s Internet, they are not in charge of their own destiny. Instead, they are controlled by the large platforms that hold all the power online. It is time for a change.

Community Points are the first step towards a different future for online communities.

That’s definitely just a coincidence and has nothing at all to do with trying to compete against the fediverse, which they definitely don’t even pay any attention to.

Yup.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that they repeat the word “community” like every fourth word all the way through that insipid swill. It’s definitely not a pathetically transparent attempt to retroactively stake a claim on the term that lemmy - the Reddit to their Digg - uses for its subforums.

It reminds me of watching a particularly nasty break-up play out, with emotions running high and lots of bile being spewed.

I dunno - I never especially liked Reddit in the first place, so it’s just a thing I see others do. I moved there sort of grudgingly about ten years ago because there just weren’t any other visble alternatives, and I’ve been more or less actively looking for a replacemnet all along, so when the threadiverse took off, I was ready.

But I suspect that for a lot of people, it’s essentially that they invested a lot into the relationship, and then suddenly their partner betrayed them, and now they’re pissed.

It’s not simply that people believe specific things, but that they define themselves in terms of what they believe.

And in fact, it’s often the case that people invest in specific beliefs not because they’ve reasoned their way to that conclusion, but simply because they’ve effectively picked it off the rack of possible beliefs as the one that most clearly represents whatever image of themselves they wish to promote - it’s the position held by smart people or enlightened people or trendy people or moral people or strong people or whatever.

So if you try to argue against their belief, you face two immediate and generally insurmountable obstacles.

First, they’re psychologically invested in the belief, so if you call it into question, you’re not just threatening the belief - you’re threatening their self-image. Anything that casts doubt on the belief by extension casts doubt on their self-affirming presumption that holding the belief demonstrates their intelligence/morality/whatever.

And second, since it’s likely the case that they didn’t reason their way to the position in the first place, they can’t becreasoned away from it anyway. So itvinevitably shifts back to their psychological investment in the position, and your attempts at reason are a distraction at best.

Yeah - I never even bother trying to explain some point I know he’s already addressed, since anything I might come up with is going to be inferior anyway.

“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”. ― H.L. Mencken

IMO, the fact that those people aren’t here is the best part of the fediverse.

While I’d say that it is absolutely the case that the ruling class must be eliminated before there can be meaningful change, since they’re too far removed from common life (or sanity for that matter) to make any of the necessary concessions of their own volition, I think it’s undeniably the case that a rational society cannot be built by people who believe that killing people is an acceptable approach to problems.

I think the only hope is that our descendants, when they rebuild civilization out of the rubble we leave behind, will do a better job of it - at the very least, that they’ll know better than to let psychopaths gain power.

There is no “we” that’s empowered to do anything on the fediverse, and that’s by design.

You, as an individual, are free to start or register with whatever instance(s) you want and start, engage with, subscribe to or block whatever communities you want. And all the other users here are exactly equally free to do any or all of those things.

It’s safe to assume that over time, activity will tend to concentrate in a few specific communities, and that most notable topics will come to have a dominant community. I think, snd self-evidently many others also think, that that’s something that should happen organically over time rather than being forcibly implemented by some authority. But more to the point, that’s something that only can happen organically and over time, since nobody has the authority to do it any other way.

Mm… you do have a point, but I would argue that the content is generally better at the very least to the degree that it’s actual people sincerely posting things rather than bots, shills and karma farmers spamming and/or astroturfing.

And yes - niche communities are extremely underpopulated here.

I don’t think the solution to that though is to aim for more generic “content” with the hope that it’ll lead to broad growth and that a byproduct of that will be to bring more people who happen to share your interests. The solution IMO is to get on the communities you want to see grow and start contributing stuff, right now. Even if you’re just posting to one person, keep at it, and pretty soon it’ll be two, then three, then…

Well… yes and no.

I’m not talking about any effect I think it might have on me, because yes - I can just avoid the instances favored by morons.

To belabor the analogy a bit more, it’s not quite accurate to say that they want this neat little cafe to be McDonalds - they want the entire town to be McDonalds. They want to be able to open up their door snd see nothing but McDonalds, stretching to the horizon in all directions.

That that literally can’t happen - that the decentralized nature of the ActivityPub means that the most anyone can ever do is turn instances into empty wastelands of brain-dead “content” one at a time - doesn’t make their viewpoint any less perplexing to me.

I agree completely.

I recently compared it to sitting in a comfortable little cafe that serves delicious food and looking around and saying, “Gee, I wish this was a McDonalds.”

It just doesn’t even begin to make sense to me.

And I’m with you - gatekeeping or no - anyone who wants Twitter or Reddit or Facebook content can already go to Twitter or Reddit or Facebook to get it, and that’s exactly what they should do.

It’s easy and painless to create a new account with a different instance, so if the instance you’re on isn’t doing what you want, just delete that account and switch to a better instance.

“Lemmy” can’t handle anything. That’s by design.

“Lemmy” is really just a piece of software that people can use to run forums that will federate with other forums and so forth and so on. There is no central “Lemmy” authority that could do anything, and that’s by design, and a lot of the point. It means that there can never be a Lemmy spez or Musk or Zuckerberg, fucking things up for everyone.

The highest authorities are the individual instance owners, so it will fall on them to deal with illegal content as they see fit. Presumably they’ll generally work to keep it off of their own instances through active moderation, and they’ll block other instances that they have reason to believe do not maintain acceptable standards.

And like it or not, some share of responsibility will fall on individual users to manage their own activities in order to avoid problematic instances.

The trade-off for having no central authority that can fuck things up for everyone is that there’s no big mommy/daddy to watch over you and protect you. The fediverse is better suited for people who are okay with that.