Exactly. And the same applies to Linux, if it becomes majority then hackers and scammers would start targeting it. This things are better off thriving in their niche than dominating the environment
Threads starting up just proved to me that everyone would willingly join the empire if it gave them the smallest amount of convenience. Hell they’ll pay for the empire to have less privacy and freedom if they can.
The same problem is in politics in Germany. They vote only for the big politicians who have already a big group of supporters and so a high chance to win. Like „ I don’t vote for xyz because they have only 0.5% of voters in Germany and can’t change anything by that“ . With this attitude they also grow very slowly.
Yeah but in that case they are right. Not voting for the bigger party that you don’t like that much could mean that another big party that you really dislike will win.
The people are not the problem, the system that doesn’t allow them to voice their opinions through a fully democratic vote is.
We usually talk about “democracies” as an umbrella term without regards to how their electoral and government systems actually work.
There are alternative voting methods that can solve this. Ranked Pairs and Schulze are my favorites, but Instant Runoff would solve this problem as well.
While I definitely felt that way with Mastodon and Pixelfed, Lemmy has been an amazing replacement for Reddit so far and I like PeerTube as well, just need a solid mobile client so I can stop relying on NewPipe which does not let me sign in.
That’s my thing, newpipe has a really clean interface but I’d love to interact more. Might have to check out this fedilabs thing I keep seeing mentioned
My feeling is that most of the social media platforms are just turning into cess pools of right wing hatred and evil. Reddit was left leaning, but their recent move just seemed obvious they want to go the way of twitter and be a shithole of a website as well. Just another money maker by exploiting the dumber people.
Reddit was self-siloing and community moderated, so it was easier to avoid the worst of right-wing social media bullshit, but the place was (and is) crawling with anarcho-capitalists, techbro libertarians, and socons, and fascists with just enough brain cells to rub together to not get banned from the site.
Moderated spaces tend to filter out the biggest assholes who can’t help themselves when it comes to blatantly and openly attacking people, but Reddit is not a moderated space. It’s just that it contains moderated spaces that became large – the unmoderated ones don’t grow at the same rate. But there have been fairly long standing, ongoing, and successful efforts to fash up mid-sized subreddits and turn them into cesspits.
I feel like you are correct. There was a constant white nationalist subtext on reddit that one could become frighteningly numb to if one visited the site every day. I saw obvious alt-right recruiters being heavily uovoted there on the regular.
I went to Reddit for the first time this month to speak up in a relevant thread about it and got a bunch of tone deaf replies about they‘d rather join Threads cause “its popular and you sound like crypto bros with the decentralised stuff” and also some “Lemmy was made by tankies” and so on.
You know what, I don‘t care, don‘t want these short sighted people here, let them get screwed a few more times by the corpos if they enjoy it so much.
Reddit’s life blood is arguments for the argument’s sake, even when you don’t have a flu what you are arguing against or for. So it doesn’t really surprise.
Besides, Reddit’s been heavily moderating positive comments about Lemmy so it may be that bias showing
You getting so triggered over me merely using the word tankie shows you‘re not just about “talking about wars”, but something more nefarious, which I don‘t really care for or about.
I also don‘t think the entire nation is shit about China by the way, mainly the way the government repress wrongthink and block half the internet and kill people for protests is from my perspective SHIT. Now, judging by your style of “discussion” this will upset you even more, so I prefer to block in advance. Have a good one.
Yeah, I read stuff like that a while back before threads, but there was a turning point. Used to be Reddit was the place you’d downvote any post about meta, insta, or any other huge social media to hell. Now tiktok videos are upvoted to the frontpage.
And Lemmy’s founders may not have views I like, but then again neither does Meta’s founders. At least with Lemmy if their views ever make it into code we can fork off of it
Funny thing is my comment was about kbin, I just mentioned Lemmy and Mastodon as an interaction, but that is their main talking point anyway, the other ones was “too complicated” and “looks shit” and some more. They clearly don‘t have any understanding of open source or forking, so I didn‘t even bother to explain.
Also I don‘t even wanna know what ideology spez or Zuckerberg subscribe to, probably something fascist too and TikTok is also owned by tankies basically, anyway no sense in fighting that and I regret I tried, just glad I got this space with all of you to enjoy.
Some of his quotes in this article are incredibly cringe. For example:
Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Ew
Not a far leap, based on things he’s said, that he’s an accelerationist who is just itching to put his luxury apartment in a decommissioned missile silo to “good use.” Fuck all of these people.
Right? “Bro, you’re not treated like a leader because you have leadership skills. You’re treated like a leader because you have money and power, which would be largely useless if this political/social/economic system collapsed. Plus, you just made clear that you’re looking forward to a future with slaves. Maybe try therapy?”
But we do want people here. We’re extremely social creatures. Its natural we would want to recreate our virtual social spaces in a place that cannot be overrun by monetization. Keep trying! Water cuts through rock not with force but with persistence!
Eh, I’d rather only have people genuinely interested in exploring and sharing knowledge here. Makes it closer to the purer internet of old before “Web 2.0” came and fucked it up.
I don‘t feel like it myself, but feel free to try to get through to them of course. I do want more people here, but I‘m also ok with it not being that many and especially not all of the thick headed ones who need a billionaire to tell them what to think.
Slow growth is the key, there’s probably some left in Reddit that needs more time before they get fed up, or new Reddit users that join and then end up here.
My vernacular is a bit dated, not sure if I’m a tankie, pretty sure I’m not a corpo.
Either way, I’m perfectly happy with the community here as it exists, and if it leans toward the geek crowd I’m all for it.
For sure, if people are looking for an alternative, and are interested, I’ll recommend it, but I don’t think we need to advocate for Lemmy to drive the masses here.
Tankie is authoritarian communists, so basically China/USSR/dictatorship fan. Corpo is from Cyberpunk to mean like businessmen/executives, but I like to use it for kinda hyper consumerist/capitalist people too.
I personally do think there is more to people than their political ideologies usually, even if I get upset with some of them for it.
I agree and I do have a feeling like it‘s a geekier crowd, similar to Reddit 10 years ago when I first went there.
Yeah there’s no way in Hell I’m telling average people to jump on the fediverse train. This place is niche af - just like Reddit was in the early days.
I didn’t say it was a problem to get signed up. I’m saying I’m not inviting some dudes from pickup ball to check out a string of Linux and furry memes.
Until a few days ago, that was like more than 50% of All > Hot. Logging into an instance where I do not have any blocked communities yet, it looks like that’s died down. The main list now looks like a normal website.
I’ve been browsing by all > new for the most part, or subscribed > new
I’ve seen furry and Linux stuff, but never seemed like a lot. Our minds tend to focus on what interests us, so I’ve mostly paid attention to tech posts and privacy, and being on a never-ending campaign to block all porn communities and reddit repost bots
Same on the campaign to block those. I originally allowed NSFW generally thinking I might miss some cool but off color posts, but the bar for NSFW is definitely high here. And copying Reddit content without the comments and interactions - especially Redditors’ personal stories like AITA or relationship advice - seems worthless and demeaning.
At this point, I’m very happy with it. It reminds me of my first days on Reddit 16 years ago, when it was all links to PDFs and tech talk that was so smart it was over my head.
Yeah, I really like the general vibe of Lemmy and the fediverse. I’m also quite pleased with how my instance is managed and how generally amicable the users are. I actually feel like I’m too snarky at times, compared to other people here.
I was only on reddit starting in 2011, and I feel like it was already a cesspool by then and only got worse. I like that this is not like reddit. I also want people to know that it’s not overly complicated to join or navigate, and tbh I don’t understand why some users think it doesn’t look appealing. It’s perfectly functional for me.
My one criticism of the fediverse are some of the unique privacy concerns, but it’s still a helluva lot better than mega-corporate reddit.
Anyway, I’m glad you’re here and glad I’m here (and I’m even glad the furries and Linux people are here). It feels like a breath of fresh air. Cheers.
I’d argue it’s a combination of both. Facebook is a good example of this. I still remember when Facebook was still considered a cool place to be, and it was more of where highschool and colleged age people gathered. Once everyone and their grandma got onboard, that’s around the time it started becoming insufferable.
A lot of people who were here before the reddit migration definitely noticed a change in the culture here (and complained about it in “unpopular” opinions) Having a large influx of users is absolutely going to change the culture of this place, even if the advertisers and celebs never come.
This is the ”insurmountable” challenge of almost every tech platform from Google to Reddit to Twitter and so on, the competitive advantage is the user base. So without a notable performance advantage (like Google usurping Yahoo) or tangible user experience benefit (Facebook replacing MySpace), these platforms will remain the dominant player in their niche.
Good news is the shitification of tech has really presented some opportunities in some of the niches. Obviously we’re all aware of reddit’s recent actions, Twitter is trying its best to fail, Facebook went the cable TV route and made itself uncool, and Insta keeps flirting with real bad ideas.
Fediverse might not be the answer, but there hasnt been a better time for viable alternatives in a very long while.
If Lemmy isn’t the answer then I’m not sure what hope we have. This seems like a perfect storm and I doubt there will be a better alternative coming any time soon.
One of my concerns is that we are running out of people who remember the pre-corporate internet at this rate. This platform has a gaping hole of Gen Z users as far as I can tell. Many of them never experienced the internet when it was cool, so they don’t have any particular dissatisfaction with the curated dopamine drip feed it has been turned into.
It just feels like this is the moment to revive that original dream of the internet for a new generation. Let’s make it happen here so we can take credit for it 😅
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
Rules:
Be civil and nice.
Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
Exact same for linux
Honestly, I’m fine with the normies staying on Reddit and Twitter, while all of us ‘new cool’ folks explore our rebel alliance.
Exactly. And the same applies to Linux, if it becomes majority then hackers and scammers would start targeting it. This things are better off thriving in their niche than dominating the environment
Threads starting up just proved to me that everyone would willingly join the empire if it gave them the smallest amount of convenience. Hell they’ll pay for the empire to have less privacy and freedom if they can.
The same problem is in politics in Germany. They vote only for the big politicians who have already a big group of supporters and so a high chance to win. Like „ I don’t vote for xyz because they have only 0.5% of voters in Germany and can’t change anything by that“ . With this attitude they also grow very slowly.
Yeah but in that case they are right. Not voting for the bigger party that you don’t like that much could mean that another big party that you really dislike will win.
The people are not the problem, the system that doesn’t allow them to voice their opinions through a fully democratic vote is.
We usually talk about “democracies” as an umbrella term without regards to how their electoral and government systems actually work.
Bc changing the system is a challenge to the people who get power from that system.
It’s not only in Germany…
And it’s by design
This problem is a property of the way elections are done. Take a look: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
There are alternative voting methods that can solve this. Ranked Pairs and Schulze are my favorites, but Instant Runoff would solve this problem as well.
Edit: format
Isn’t that specifically about First Past the Post? (which is mainly only used in places that were once British)
In Brazil we use a 2-round system where, if no one gets the majority, the 2 most voted will run the second turn. And it leads to the same problem.
While I definitely felt that way with Mastodon and Pixelfed, Lemmy has been an amazing replacement for Reddit so far and I like PeerTube as well, just need a solid mobile client so I can stop relying on NewPipe which does not let me sign in.
You can use peertube in fedilab
That’s my thing, newpipe has a really clean interface but I’d love to interact more. Might have to check out this fedilabs thing I keep seeing mentioned
Tell them it’s a secret club that you’ve formed with friends. Set it up for them on their computer or phone. It might make it seem fun.
My feeling is that most of the social media platforms are just turning into cess pools of right wing hatred and evil. Reddit was left leaning, but their recent move just seemed obvious they want to go the way of twitter and be a shithole of a website as well. Just another money maker by exploiting the dumber people.
No, it really wasn’t.
Reddit was self-siloing and community moderated, so it was easier to avoid the worst of right-wing social media bullshit, but the place was (and is) crawling with anarcho-capitalists, techbro libertarians, and socons, and fascists with just enough brain cells to rub together to not get banned from the site.
Moderated spaces tend to filter out the biggest assholes who can’t help themselves when it comes to blatantly and openly attacking people, but Reddit is not a moderated space. It’s just that it contains moderated spaces that became large – the unmoderated ones don’t grow at the same rate. But there have been fairly long standing, ongoing, and successful efforts to fash up mid-sized subreddits and turn them into cesspits.
I feel like you are correct. There was a constant white nationalist subtext on reddit that one could become frighteningly numb to if one visited the site every day. I saw obvious alt-right recruiters being heavily uovoted there on the regular.
Same guy goes and signs up for lizardman’s Threads
I went to Reddit for the first time this month to speak up in a relevant thread about it and got a bunch of tone deaf replies about they‘d rather join Threads cause “its popular and you sound like crypto bros with the decentralised stuff” and also some “Lemmy was made by tankies” and so on.
You know what, I don‘t care, don‘t want these short sighted people here, let them get screwed a few more times by the corpos if they enjoy it so much.
Reddit’s life blood is arguments for the argument’s sake, even when you don’t have a flu what you are arguing against or for. So it doesn’t really surprise. Besides, Reddit’s been heavily moderating positive comments about Lemmy so it may be that bias showing
No, it is not.
Dude, if some country did some crazy shit in the past, that doesn’t mean that entire nation is shit. You can’t apprentice people like that.
If people will, they will talk about wars in America, Russia, Iran, Europe etc…
STOP DISRESPECTING PEOPLE FOR THEIR BELIEFS, IDEOLOGIES, LOCATION!
I was quoting someone else
You getting so triggered over me merely using the word tankie shows you‘re not just about “talking about wars”, but something more nefarious, which I don‘t really care for or about.
I also don‘t think the entire nation is shit about China by the way, mainly the way the government repress wrongthink and block half the internet and kill people for protests is from my perspective SHIT. Now, judging by your style of “discussion” this will upset you even more, so I prefer to block in advance. Have a good one.
Yeah, I read stuff like that a while back before threads, but there was a turning point. Used to be Reddit was the place you’d downvote any post about meta, insta, or any other huge social media to hell. Now tiktok videos are upvoted to the frontpage.
And Lemmy’s founders may not have views I like, but then again neither does Meta’s founders. At least with Lemmy if their views ever make it into code we can fork off of it
Funny thing is my comment was about kbin, I just mentioned Lemmy and Mastodon as an interaction, but that is their main talking point anyway, the other ones was “too complicated” and “looks shit” and some more. They clearly don‘t have any understanding of open source or forking, so I didn‘t even bother to explain.
Also I don‘t even wanna know what ideology spez or Zuckerberg subscribe to, probably something fascist too and TikTok is also owned by tankies basically, anyway no sense in fighting that and I regret I tried, just glad I got this space with all of you to enjoy.
Steve Huffman (spez) is a well-known, big time doomsday pepper.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
Some of his quotes in this article are incredibly cringe. For example:
Ew
Not a far leap, based on things he’s said, that he’s an accelerationist who is just itching to put his luxury apartment in a decommissioned missile silo to “good use.” Fuck all of these people.
Makes sense, he does seem like he’d have an inflated sense of self-importance and he can see all the eat the rich type of stuff on Reddit.
The rich are the least useful people in an emergency. Lacking basic skills and not relating to normal people enough to lead a group.
Right? “Bro, you’re not treated like a leader because you have leadership skills. You’re treated like a leader because you have money and power, which would be largely useless if this political/social/economic system collapsed. Plus, you just made clear that you’re looking forward to a future with slaves. Maybe try therapy?”
But we do want people here. We’re extremely social creatures. Its natural we would want to recreate our virtual social spaces in a place that cannot be overrun by monetization. Keep trying! Water cuts through rock not with force but with persistence!
Eh, I’d rather only have people genuinely interested in exploring and sharing knowledge here. Makes it closer to the purer internet of old before “Web 2.0” came and fucked it up.
I don‘t feel like it myself, but feel free to try to get through to them of course. I do want more people here, but I‘m also ok with it not being that many and especially not all of the thick headed ones who need a billionaire to tell them what to think.
Slow growth is the key, there’s probably some left in Reddit that needs more time before they get fed up, or new Reddit users that join and then end up here.
I’m perfectly fine with this sort of hierarchy as the mainstream platforms inevitably become terrible.
My vernacular is a bit dated, not sure if I’m a tankie, pretty sure I’m not a corpo.
Either way, I’m perfectly happy with the community here as it exists, and if it leans toward the geek crowd I’m all for it.
For sure, if people are looking for an alternative, and are interested, I’ll recommend it, but I don’t think we need to advocate for Lemmy to drive the masses here.
What are your thoughts on the mass internment of Uyghurs? Complete denial? You may be a tankie.
Tankie is authoritarian communists, so basically China/USSR/dictatorship fan. Corpo is from Cyberpunk to mean like businessmen/executives, but I like to use it for kinda hyper consumerist/capitalist people too.
I personally do think there is more to people than their political ideologies usually, even if I get upset with some of them for it.
I agree and I do have a feeling like it‘s a geekier crowd, similar to Reddit 10 years ago when I first went there.
Yeah, not sure I really want all of those low-effort shit posters here. Let them pollute another community.
Yeah there’s no way in Hell I’m telling average people to jump on the fediverse train. This place is niche af - just like Reddit was in the early days.
I mean, I’m an average person, and it was no problem at all to make the switch.
The biggest barrier was answering the anti-spam application questions, and that was like 10 words or less.
I didn’t say it was a problem to get signed up. I’m saying I’m not inviting some dudes from pickup ball to check out a string of Linux and furry memes.
Ehh, those are good and all, but there’s a lot more here than Linux and furry memes. Seems like you tend to see what you subscribe to.
Until a few days ago, that was like more than 50% of All > Hot. Logging into an instance where I do not have any blocked communities yet, it looks like that’s died down. The main list now looks like a normal website.
I’ve been browsing by all > new for the most part, or subscribed > new
I’ve seen furry and Linux stuff, but never seemed like a lot. Our minds tend to focus on what interests us, so I’ve mostly paid attention to tech posts and privacy, and being on a never-ending campaign to block all porn communities and reddit repost bots
Same on the campaign to block those. I originally allowed NSFW generally thinking I might miss some cool but off color posts, but the bar for NSFW is definitely high here. And copying Reddit content without the comments and interactions - especially Redditors’ personal stories like AITA or relationship advice - seems worthless and demeaning.
At this point, I’m very happy with it. It reminds me of my first days on Reddit 16 years ago, when it was all links to PDFs and tech talk that was so smart it was over my head.
Yeah, I really like the general vibe of Lemmy and the fediverse. I’m also quite pleased with how my instance is managed and how generally amicable the users are. I actually feel like I’m too snarky at times, compared to other people here.
I was only on reddit starting in 2011, and I feel like it was already a cesspool by then and only got worse. I like that this is not like reddit. I also want people to know that it’s not overly complicated to join or navigate, and tbh I don’t understand why some users think it doesn’t look appealing. It’s perfectly functional for me.
My one criticism of the fediverse are some of the unique privacy concerns, but it’s still a helluva lot better than mega-corporate reddit.
Anyway, I’m glad you’re here and glad I’m here (and I’m even glad the furries and Linux people are here). It feels like a breath of fresh air. Cheers.
“nobody drives in New York, there’s too much traffic”.
Funny, but totally irrelevant here.
IMO, the fact that those people aren’t here is the best part of the fediverse.
I’m here cause I’m tired of mainstream Social media. Why the hell would I want to bring them here?
Because what defines mainstream social media is more the algorithms and ads than the participants?
I’d argue it’s a combination of both. Facebook is a good example of this. I still remember when Facebook was still considered a cool place to be, and it was more of where highschool and colleged age people gathered. Once everyone and their grandma got onboard, that’s around the time it started becoming insufferable.
A lot of people who were here before the reddit migration definitely noticed a change in the culture here (and complained about it in “unpopular” opinions) Having a large influx of users is absolutely going to change the culture of this place, even if the advertisers and celebs never come.
I just want my favorite video game to have a sublemmy :( why is it impossible to get anyone to talk about even the most popular video games here?
Which game?
League of Legends
Not here? [email protected] ?
Seems to be broken. It shows no posts
I see posts on my end. I’m guessing the server it’s on may have been overloaded when you checked.
This is the ”insurmountable” challenge of almost every tech platform from Google to Reddit to Twitter and so on, the competitive advantage is the user base. So without a notable performance advantage (like Google usurping Yahoo) or tangible user experience benefit (Facebook replacing MySpace), these platforms will remain the dominant player in their niche.
Good news is the shitification of tech has really presented some opportunities in some of the niches. Obviously we’re all aware of reddit’s recent actions, Twitter is trying its best to fail, Facebook went the cable TV route and made itself uncool, and Insta keeps flirting with real bad ideas.
Fediverse might not be the answer, but there hasnt been a better time for viable alternatives in a very long while.
If Lemmy isn’t the answer then I’m not sure what hope we have. This seems like a perfect storm and I doubt there will be a better alternative coming any time soon.
One of my concerns is that we are running out of people who remember the pre-corporate internet at this rate. This platform has a gaping hole of Gen Z users as far as I can tell. Many of them never experienced the internet when it was cool, so they don’t have any particular dissatisfaction with the curated dopamine drip feed it has been turned into.
It just feels like this is the moment to revive that original dream of the internet for a new generation. Let’s make it happen here so we can take credit for it 😅
Quality > quantity.
I’m not interested in seeing cringeworthy posts or paid posts to ruin healthy conversation here.
“Healthy conversation” is endless elitist circlejerk and decade old jokes? Lol