I am still learning this whole thing and I ended up creating accounts here and on Mastodon. Is that necessary or do I automatically have a Mastodon username with my Lemmy? I used the same stuff on both accounts, can I merge them or something?
Edit: thanks everyone, I can’t respond to each comment while I’m at work, but I appreciate every one of you!
Separate seems smart. Interacting from Lemmy to Mastodon and vice-versa isn’t exactly the most user friendly experience, since neither platform was really built with those type of interactions in mind.
Mastodon has an API of its own, just like Lemmy. You can follow/respond/like things cross platform, but the client apps need their own special API for sending data to the server.
It’s a real shame, because the ActivityPub standard that makes following other servers possible also has a spec detailing how to do client/server communication, but very few ActivityPub servers have bothered to implement it.
The only serve software I know of that implement the client-server API is Fedbox. There’s a server running it on https://federated.id/ but it doesn’t have a frontend. You can only use it with client apps like AndStatus. Don’t expect anything as polished as Mastodon or Lemmy.
I have shortly looked into making some kind of bridge so you can use the same account for a self-run Lemmy+Mastodon server, but that’s quite a big pain to set up. Sadly, combining accounts just don’t seem practical.
That said, absolutely nothing is stopping you from following a Lemmy community from Mastodon. Just subscribe to @[email protected] (so replacing the ! with an @) and you’ll get every single post and comment on it in your feed. If you use something like Fedilab it’ll almost usable, I think?
You can interact on both platforms using one account, but the best experience is to have an account on each - Lemmy communities don’t work very well on Mastodon, and Mastodon users can’t be followed from Lemmy. Kbin is the middle ground which can do both.
That’s the way I personally do it. I’d love to be able to merge my lemmy and calckey accounts but a lot of us are still finding our feet in the fediverse right now. I’ve personally moved from a mastodon to a calckey instance and switched from one lemmy instance to another.
They have different UIs that are better tailored to their respective platforms so imo it’s better to have accounts on both.
You don’t need to have a single account for everything and it’s far better for several reasons not to, even when it comes to Lemmy. Your browser and apps remember your account details for you anyway.
I have separate accounts for Lemmy and Pixelfed/Mastodon. Their content is so different, that it’s hard to find a unified way of interacting with it (following accounts vs. subscribing to and interacting within communities).
If you still prefer to combine both, you could make an account on kbin.social. With that you can follow both Mastodon and Lemmy content and get a “unified” UI. I cannot say how well it works though, since I haven’t tried it myself.
Same - I just track my accounts in my KeePass, so it’s not too bad. I have way too many accounts anyway, and I don’t trust Google/Microsoft to keep them safe in the long term, so KeePass it is.
I keep them separate – I don’t like a single point of failure, and we’re all so early on the fediverse stuff that I’m sure a few servers and services will implode in the near future before things settle down. Would be a real hassle to have everything attached to a single account.
I get that there are different apis for Lemmy and Mastodon (and maybe Lemmy and kbin), but I’m interested to know why you can’t create a server that supports both/all apis. Even if it’s not possible to support the correct ui on a website, why am I not allowed to log into an app that would display all the ui correctly regardless of whether your account is from mastodon/lemmy/kbin.
I think maybe look at it the other way around. We should hope that one account at your preferred place (whether it’s kbin, mastodon or lemmy) be able to access everything. So if you have a mastodon account, you can already access content in the lemmyverse, albeit a bit clumsy. This is not possible from a lemmy account, afaik.
So once everything is united, you would be able to see content from anywhere in a format you enjoy through your one account
@toasteranimation I feel like that’s what I’m asking for. I create one account, and then use it to log into a mastodon app to see things in a mastodon layout, and use it to log into a lemmy app to see things in a lemmy layout, etc. Currently I have one account that can only log into mastodon apps, and for some reason can’t log into lemmy apps.
Ok it’s early! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, you can only log into mastodon apps with your mastodon account, but you CAN browse lemmy communities through mastodon and even interact with them. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, but on desktop not mobile.
Because they’re all different applications. I think the confusion here is between ActivityPub the protocol, and the applications that actually use it. The applications that use AP are all different, they have different data structures, hell mastodon and Lemmy/kbin are completely different at a conceptual level. They just communicate with each other via AP, but once they receive the AP message they convert it into their own data structures and concepts. And you should note that AP is technically a communications protocol, it doesn’t prescribe how stuff should be stored or sorted after an object is communicated between two servers and doesn’t really prescribe a way to browse through the historical activities of a person. These are things implemented by the application you’re using. So it’s not like you could just write an app that combs through all that data available on the fediverse, you’d need an instance that federates with all these places, then an app that uses that instance. Technically feasible but so far nobody’s done it yet, but you can see how some people reply to threads on Lemmy via Mastodon.
you make a great point, and not understanding this was the source of my initial confusion here. Looking at all the activitypub implementations listed here really helped it ‘click’ for me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
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Separate seems smart. Interacting from Lemmy to Mastodon and vice-versa isn’t exactly the most user friendly experience, since neither platform was really built with those type of interactions in mind.
Perhaps in future it’ll be more seamless.
Is it even possible to have your Lemmy account sign into Mastadon?
I tried to do this with the Tusky app and it said “Failed authenticating with that instance” so I figured it isnt possible.
Mastodon has an API of its own, just like Lemmy. You can follow/respond/like things cross platform, but the client apps need their own special API for sending data to the server.
It’s a real shame, because the ActivityPub standard that makes following other servers possible also has a spec detailing how to do client/server communication, but very few ActivityPub servers have bothered to implement it.
Do you know of any that are accepting new users?
The only serve software I know of that implement the client-server API is Fedbox. There’s a server running it on https://federated.id/ but it doesn’t have a frontend. You can only use it with client apps like AndStatus. Don’t expect anything as polished as Mastodon or Lemmy.
I have shortly looked into making some kind of bridge so you can use the same account for a self-run Lemmy+Mastodon server, but that’s quite a big pain to set up. Sadly, combining accounts just don’t seem practical.
That said, absolutely nothing is stopping you from following a Lemmy community from Mastodon. Just subscribe to @[email protected] (so replacing the ! with an @) and you’ll get every single post and comment on it in your feed. If you use something like Fedilab it’ll almost usable, I think?
I went with both (mainly because I like different usernames for different apps/sites) but see what looks like people using one login for both.
You can interact on both platforms using one account, but the best experience is to have an account on each - Lemmy communities don’t work very well on Mastodon, and Mastodon users can’t be followed from Lemmy. Kbin is the middle ground which can do both.
Kbin also turns all your upvotes into reblogs, so you’ll be spamming Mastodon users whenever you like posts
That’s the way I personally do it. I’d love to be able to merge my lemmy and calckey accounts but a lot of us are still finding our feet in the fediverse right now. I’ve personally moved from a mastodon to a calckey instance and switched from one lemmy instance to another.
They have different UIs that are better tailored to their respective platforms so imo it’s better to have accounts on both.
You don’t need to have a single account for everything and it’s far better for several reasons not to, even when it comes to Lemmy. Your browser and apps remember your account details for you anyway.
I do. It just feels right to compartmentalise the two. Kbin has microblogging if you want a little bit of both though.
I have separate accounts for Lemmy and Pixelfed/Mastodon. Their content is so different, that it’s hard to find a unified way of interacting with it (following accounts vs. subscribing to and interacting within communities).
If you still prefer to combine both, you could make an account on kbin.social. With that you can follow both Mastodon and Lemmy content and get a “unified” UI. I cannot say how well it works though, since I haven’t tried it myself.
Same - I just track my accounts in my KeePass, so it’s not too bad. I have way too many accounts anyway, and I don’t trust Google/Microsoft to keep them safe in the long term, so KeePass it is.
KeePass is awesome. We have a new community on here dedicated to KeePass. You should come join at !keepass
Yeah I tried following a community on my mastodon account and it turns out “tweet-style” is not the best way to view comment threads.
Is there an android app for kbin?
I looked a little into making one but there isn’t an API for KBin that would translate into a good experience yet.
Not yet, but there are a couple coming, eg. !ArtemisApp
Artemis for kbin is in development.
I keep them separate – I don’t like a single point of failure, and we’re all so early on the fediverse stuff that I’m sure a few servers and services will implode in the near future before things settle down. Would be a real hassle to have everything attached to a single account.
This was my thought exactly! I ended up signing up for access on 11 servers in a mix of mastodon, lemmy and kbin. Probably went overboard.
I get that there are different apis for Lemmy and Mastodon (and maybe Lemmy and kbin), but I’m interested to know why you can’t create a server that supports both/all apis. Even if it’s not possible to support the correct ui on a website, why am I not allowed to log into an app that would display all the ui correctly regardless of whether your account is from mastodon/lemmy/kbin.
Memmy (and wefwef) is for lemmy instances only, while kbin can access both lemmy and mastodon communities.
@toasteranimation when kbin finally gets apps, will I be able to log into them with my mastodon account but see the “correct” ui for lemmy and kbin?
I don’t think so. you’d login with your kbin account (I think)
@toasteranimation i wonder if any app will ever be able to support that
I think maybe look at it the other way around. We should hope that one account at your preferred place (whether it’s kbin, mastodon or lemmy) be able to access everything. So if you have a mastodon account, you can already access content in the lemmyverse, albeit a bit clumsy. This is not possible from a lemmy account, afaik.
So once everything is united, you would be able to see content from anywhere in a format you enjoy through your one account
@toasteranimation I feel like that’s what I’m asking for. I create one account, and then use it to log into a mastodon app to see things in a mastodon layout, and use it to log into a lemmy app to see things in a lemmy layout, etc. Currently I have one account that can only log into mastodon apps, and for some reason can’t log into lemmy apps.
Ok it’s early! Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, you can only log into mastodon apps with your mastodon account, but you CAN browse lemmy communities through mastodon and even interact with them. I’ve seen videos of people doing it, but on desktop not mobile.
Because they’re all different applications. I think the confusion here is between ActivityPub the protocol, and the applications that actually use it. The applications that use AP are all different, they have different data structures, hell mastodon and Lemmy/kbin are completely different at a conceptual level. They just communicate with each other via AP, but once they receive the AP message they convert it into their own data structures and concepts. And you should note that AP is technically a communications protocol, it doesn’t prescribe how stuff should be stored or sorted after an object is communicated between two servers and doesn’t really prescribe a way to browse through the historical activities of a person. These are things implemented by the application you’re using. So it’s not like you could just write an app that combs through all that data available on the fediverse, you’d need an instance that federates with all these places, then an app that uses that instance. Technically feasible but so far nobody’s done it yet, but you can see how some people reply to threads on Lemmy via Mastodon.
you make a great point, and not understanding this was the source of my initial confusion here. Looking at all the activitypub implementations listed here really helped it ‘click’ for me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub