looks like rendering adblockers extensions obsolete with manifest-v3 was not enough so now they try to implement DRM into the browser giving the ability to any website to refuse traffic to you if you don’t run a complaint browser ( cough…firefox )
here is an article in hacker news since i’m sure they can explain this to you better than i.
Stop using Google products I don’t know how else to fucking say it.
Chrome -> Firefox
Drive -> sync or Dropbox or any number of options
Sheets and productivity tools > libre office or Apache open office
YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse
Google search -> duck duck go, SearXNG, StartPage, etc
Gmail -> not a ton of great options. I’d probably recommend proton mail but the FOSS email world is definitely lacking, or gets blocked or goes down, harder to self host etc.
Not to the whole internet, but to important websites. I have no doubt you wouldn’t use those websites, but a person who is in the fediverse is already not the average user
I’ve never been unable to access a site on Firefox due to DRM. There is a prompt asking to run DRM-enabled media, but that’s it.
Edit: or is there something about Manifest v3 that will get Firefox blocked somehow? IDK how as I would think it would be easy to pretend to be compliant.
Click the Github link in the original post. Google has an RFC open right now about “web integrity” about ensuring users don’t modify the content they see. They claim it’s not to block plugins but… It’s hard to think what else they could possibly be thinking of.
So here’s the thing. This web integrity nonsense isn’t about locking people into Chrome, it’s about locking people into seeing what they’d see if they were using Chrome. The result might be more people using chrome if a website decides to DRM their content and their ads, but if you switch from one Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the ads like Chrome does to another Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the content that the website originator wants you to, like Opera, that’s still a win for Google who are more interested in forcing you to see ads for this cause than for you to use Chrome.
The solution is voice objections to Google implementing this, to not use websites that implement DRM, and to not use web browsers that let Google dictate what the future of the web through their control of the Chromium engine
I think the point is if website operators start supporting this you might not have a choice but to use Chrome, if you want to browse any reasonably popular web site.
If we break their fingers in all EU countrys, yours won’t even have to act… Like we could technically ban all website and browsers doing that from the entire market for this practice…
Then I will stop browsing them? I stopped using Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit quite easily. I can do it with others if they’re going to go down this route.
Bank sites don’t necessarily need to want to block ads to implement something like this. They will just see the headlines that say “this is more secure” and that will be enough for them to buy in to it.
Exactly. If this comes to pass, you’re still free to run an “unattested” browser if you want, but web sites are going to require it “for security” to make sure you are using an “untampered” with browser (I.e. no blocking ads)
Is it already out? I’ve run into a lot of errors the past week since I started using Rethink DNS. Only on a couple sites, particularly if I do a dumb and click a Google sponsored result.
If you have the funds, donate to Mozilla. They’re not only the main developers of the only major competing browser engine, but also do a lot of other good work. You can hope for others, but with Firefox only having single-digit usage share it needs all the help it can get.
chromium is just striped down chrome ,yeah its open source but google is the main contributor meaning the final decisions are up to them to accept or refuse ( or even force)
refuse traffic to you if you don’t run a complaint browser ( cough…firefox )
Ah, so I’ll need a new extension that fakes my browser to say it’s chrome before I can use adblocker. I think this is a cat and mouse game with no end.
You would need an extension that could implement the drm, which would be no small feat and I’m not even sure how poss that would be with the extensions API. Not saying it won’t happen but i wouldn’t hold my breath.
not quite , this is way more serious than refusing to give extensions access to websites content. ( for those who don’t know that’s what manifest-v3 essentially do )
Every once in a while I help a family member or friend out with their machine and am stunned when I see the web without an adblocker. It honestly reminds me of the malicious early 2000s porn and “free downloads” sites… but it’s everywhere now, like cnn and eBay and shit. First thing I do is install Firefox and ublock origin, and mostly for their security.
Youtube has also been running basically porn ads on “for kids” youtube channels as well and my kindergarten aged niece and nephew have been exposed to that shit. Adblock is 100% cyber security AND for kids safety.
100% agree. The few times I have to turn off uBlock because it is breaking some obscure website it is always an awful experience. Auto-playing videos, ads taking up half the screen, and those annoying as fuck cookie banners. I can’t imagine using the internet without an ad/cookie blocker. I accidentally turned it off on Lemmy for a while and it was the only site that I didn’t immediately notice.
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Stop using Google products I don’t know how else to fucking say it.
Chrome -> Firefox Drive -> sync or Dropbox or any number of options Sheets and productivity tools > libre office or Apache open office YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse Google search -> duck duck go, SearXNG, StartPage, etc Gmail -> not a ton of great options. I’d probably recommend proton mail but the FOSS email world is definitely lacking, or gets blocked or goes down, harder to self host etc.
I mean, I’m using Chrome right now, but if they actually implement this and my ad blocker stops working, I’m switching to Opera or something.
Do they really expect to not lose browser users with this move?
All chromium Browser are effected.
Firefox is the way.
You wouldn’t have access to the websites with a non ’ drm ’ compatible browser
I wouldn’t use websites that require that shit and would likely Report them to the Cartel Office for that practice.
Its absolutely impossible to do that to the entire internet anyway.
Not to the whole internet, but to important websites. I have no doubt you wouldn’t use those websites, but a person who is in the fediverse is already not the average user
Yeah, if your work uses a website like ADP and ADP starts requiring it, you’re suddenly minorly fucked
I’ve never been unable to access a site on Firefox due to DRM. There is a prompt asking to run DRM-enabled media, but that’s it.
Edit: or is there something about Manifest v3 that will get Firefox blocked somehow? IDK how as I would think it would be easy to pretend to be compliant.
Click the Github link in the original post. Google has an RFC open right now about “web integrity” about ensuring users don’t modify the content they see. They claim it’s not to block plugins but… It’s hard to think what else they could possibly be thinking of.
opera is basically chrome under the hood
use Firefox or its forks like librewolf, mullvad
So here’s the thing. This web integrity nonsense isn’t about locking people into Chrome, it’s about locking people into seeing what they’d see if they were using Chrome. The result might be more people using chrome if a website decides to DRM their content and their ads, but if you switch from one Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the ads like Chrome does to another Chromium-based browser that forces you to see the content that the website originator wants you to, like Opera, that’s still a win for Google who are more interested in forcing you to see ads for this cause than for you to use Chrome.
The solution is voice objections to Google implementing this, to not use websites that implement DRM, and to not use web browsers that let Google dictate what the future of the web through their control of the Chromium engine
I think the point is if website operators start supporting this you might not have a choice but to use Chrome, if you want to browse any reasonably popular web site.
If they do that they get chainsaw massacred by Antitrust Authoritys all over the world. And absolutely rightfully so.
Except in the US. We don’t enforce those laws here.
If we break their fingers in all EU countrys, yours won’t even have to act… Like we could technically ban all website and browsers doing that from the entire market for this practice…
I don’t think they would like us to do so…
Then I will stop browsing them? I stopped using Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit quite easily. I can do it with others if they’re going to go down this route.
Until they hit something you need if you want to function in the modern world.
Internet Explorer tried real hard to do that. Pages were literally built only to run “properly” in IE.
Curious what round 2 would look like.
ouch that would be painful
Like what? Bank websites don’t really use ads. And I don’t use LinkedIn.
Bank sites don’t necessarily need to want to block ads to implement something like this. They will just see the headlines that say “this is more secure” and that will be enough for them to buy in to it.
Exactly. If this comes to pass, you’re still free to run an “unattested” browser if you want, but web sites are going to require it “for security” to make sure you are using an “untampered” with browser (I.e. no blocking ads)
I will stop using any websites that try to do that.
Firefox. I’ve heard Opera has gone to shit lately
Opera is fine atm honestly. But it’s a chromium based browser too so it would potentially have these issues eventually.
Hate to tell you this here but Opera is also chrome based…
To be helpful here is a list of all the browsers (according to Wikipedia anyway) that are actually just three chromes in a trench coat.
Is it already out? I’ve run into a lot of errors the past week since I started using Rethink DNS. Only on a couple sites, particularly if I do a dumb and click a Google sponsored result.
No. What you’re describing is completely normal when using something like pihole.
Yep. My wife complains about it all the time. XD
No no no Just no FUCK DRM!!!
We need more browser options, not just Firefox and 20 versions of chrome.
To be fair, there are about 20 versions of Firefox too. It’s just that most of them aren’t there to Hoover up ad revenue.
If you have the funds, donate to Mozilla. They’re not only the main developers of the only major competing browser engine, but also do a lot of other good work. You can hope for others, but with Firefox only having single-digit usage share it needs all the help it can get.
How does it impact Chromium?
By making DRM-abiding browsers a requirement?
yep just like some websites do with user agents
chromium is just striped down chrome ,yeah its open source but google is the main contributor meaning the final decisions are up to them to accept or refuse ( or even force)
Ah, so I’ll need a new extension that fakes my browser to say it’s chrome before I can use adblocker. I think this is a cat and mouse game with no end.
You would need an extension that could implement the drm, which would be no small feat and I’m not even sure how poss that would be with the extensions API. Not saying it won’t happen but i wouldn’t hold my breath.
Ever since I switched to Firefox, I have not looked back and I am glad I did it.
“Do no evil.” …unless it’s projected as profitable, in which case, evil that shit up!
They stopped using that saying years ago
They ditched the “don’t be evil” years ago. Now it’s “As many ads as possible”.
I hear that they can cover up to 80% of a user’s visual field without inducing seizures.
The cat becomes the mouse yet again 🥱
not quite , this is way more serious than refusing to give extensions access to websites content. ( for those who don’t know that’s what manifest-v3 essentially do )
Ad Blocking is cyber security
Every once in a while I help a family member or friend out with their machine and am stunned when I see the web without an adblocker. It honestly reminds me of the malicious early 2000s porn and “free downloads” sites… but it’s everywhere now, like cnn and eBay and shit. First thing I do is install Firefox and ublock origin, and mostly for their security.
Youtube has also been running basically porn ads on “for kids” youtube channels as well and my kindergarten aged niece and nephew have been exposed to that shit. Adblock is 100% cyber security AND for kids safety.
100% agree. The few times I have to turn off uBlock because it is breaking some obscure website it is always an awful experience. Auto-playing videos, ads taking up half the screen, and those annoying as fuck cookie banners. I can’t imagine using the internet without an ad/cookie blocker. I accidentally turned it off on Lemmy for a while and it was the only site that I didn’t immediately notice.
I said this in another thread, but a lot of the internet is unusable without uBlock Origin IMO.
The FBI recommends using an ad blocker: https://www.ic3.gov/Media/Y2022/PSA221221