I see no use for the numlock key, I’d rather just have the numpad on the whole time. Are there actually cases where it is useful or people who for some reason prefer their numpad turned off?
Right, but do you ever turn num lock off? I think the OP was trying to say it should just be stuck on because why would you use those arrow, home/end/pg up/etc buttons that kick in if num lock is off?
I have a smaller keyboard that doesn’t have dedicated arrow keys, or any of the home, page up, etc. They’re all on the numpad, so numlock for me is very useful.
I haven’t used numlock in years but I remember that for certain games that you played with the arrow keys, I preferred to use the arrows on the numpad instead of the dedicated ones.
And according to Wikipedia, the reason why numlock exists in the first place is the fact that certain keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys, but did have a numpad. I guess numlock on full-sized keyboards is just a relic that keyboard manufacturers are schlepping around because it’s cheap enough to produce and doesn’t really hurt 🤷
You can still get some mechanical keyboards with numpads but not arrow keys, though since these are variations on compact layouts they tend to omit the numlock key as well.
Interesting. Most compact keyboards I’ve seen save space by removing the numpad, not the arrow keys. I assume you can emulate arrow keys by pressing some modifier key on those?
I think it’s a good layout. I have a tenkeyless at home and for some tasks I definitely miss the number pad more than I’d miss the arrow keys, especially since the number pad by design doubles as arrow keys and always has. I’ve seen even smaller keyboards that have numpads but not the number row, which would also be sweet. Reclaim some vertical deskspace as well as horizontal.
I can be useful. If NumLock is turned off you can use 2, 4, 6, and 8 as arrow keys for example. Although with most modern programs you can easily rebind keys so it’s more a thing of the past, like the “Pause” button.
I have never seen pause used that way for modern games. Most of them just use Escape instead, with pause being left for lower-system things like the REISUB sequence.
Don’t know what to tell you, for me it often works. Maybe give it a try? Esc usually brings you to the menu, which implies pausing, but it’s separate from pause key.
Scroll Lock is the one that comes to mind as a safe removal.
However, for me, the real useless AND inconvenient piece of shit I wish I could rebind as I want that space for something better is Caps Lock. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy to do.
You should look into Kanata. It lets you remap the whole keyboard, same idea as QMK, except it’s running on your computer instead of the keyboard itself.
It can be a bit tricky to set up if you’re not used to that sort of thing, but I managed to figure it out so if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Use autohotkey! I have a very simple solution for this, where the caps lock key is mapped either as a backspace key, or it minimizes the current window.
I don’t think I’ve ever used numlock for anything other than “oh shit, I must have accidentally hit it when I was entering numbers via 10 key so I need to turn it off.
Yes. On my keyboard there’s no separate “end” key, it’s part of 3 on the numpad, that key is very useful when using the terminal, because you don’t need to wait for 5 years for the cursor to make it to the end of your command.
If you have keyboard software, you might be able to use that. I use autohotkey for reassigning keys. The script would be:
SetNumLockState, AlwaysOn
NumLock::End
For windows,
Just put it in a txt file after installing AHK and use .ahk at the end of the file name. There’s a way to make it the default script, but I think but I use just task scheduler to make it start on boot/login.
There’s an old game I grew up with called Castle of the Winds. You could also move using some other keys or the mouse, but for me my favorite way by far was using the numpad with numlock turned off.
I also used to use the numpad while playing Half-Life, as the person who introduced me to that game swore by remapping all the keys to the numpad.
Old games are pretty much the only use Ive ever seen. The keypad can be used as arrow keys, but with diagonal options and the ability to easily switch over to numbers. Nethack, for instance, is extra challenging without a proper numberpad.
It’s a relic of the past. Old keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys and since many programs were only controlled by arrow keys rather than a mouse, having a num lock key was a good solution to the problem. But if you are still stuck in an environment where you have to navigate a lot with arrow keys, the num lock still comes in handy. Having Pg Up and Down and the Home/End keys nearby is super handy in this situation.
It’s still useful for some old video games, especially for multiplayer where both play at the same time.
I only find it useful on laptop keyboards. I like the numpad for entering numbers, and I also like having dedicated keys for stuff like Home, End, and Insert when browsing or editing. It saves space when you can double the numpad for both.
I think the numlock key is a hangover from the IBM XT computers (maybe even before that). Those keyboards didn’t have the cursor keys and other key block. So, the numlock key was quite important.
I know, because I got my first PC during the PC AT days right before they moved toward ATX. That was a full size keyboard.
I am surprised it has stuck around so long. I understand in the transition from XT to AT that perhaps computer operators got used to using the numpad for navigation and muscle memory would be ruined. But, you know it’s like 40 years on now. There isn’t really a modern day reason to keep it.
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Yes, there are arrows on the numeric keyboard which can be used for various reasons, also home and end buttons.
10-key. Pretty useful for my job as a bookkeeper.
Right, but do you ever turn num lock off? I think the OP was trying to say it should just be stuck on because why would you use those arrow, home/end/pg up/etc buttons that kick in if num lock is off?
I have a smaller keyboard that doesn’t have dedicated arrow keys, or any of the home, page up, etc. They’re all on the numpad, so numlock for me is very useful.
I haven’t used numlock in years but I remember that for certain games that you played with the arrow keys, I preferred to use the arrows on the numpad instead of the dedicated ones.
And according to Wikipedia, the reason why numlock exists in the first place is the fact that certain keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys, but did have a numpad. I guess numlock on full-sized keyboards is just a relic that keyboard manufacturers are schlepping around because it’s cheap enough to produce and doesn’t really hurt 🤷
You can still get some mechanical keyboards with numpads but not arrow keys, though since these are variations on compact layouts they tend to omit the numlock key as well.
Interesting. Most compact keyboards I’ve seen save space by removing the numpad, not the arrow keys. I assume you can emulate arrow keys by pressing some modifier key on those?
Exactly that. Royal Kludge makes one.
I think it’s a good layout. I have a tenkeyless at home and for some tasks I definitely miss the number pad more than I’d miss the arrow keys, especially since the number pad by design doubles as arrow keys and always has. I’ve seen even smaller keyboards that have numpads but not the number row, which would also be sweet. Reclaim some vertical deskspace as well as horizontal.
no use whatsoever. this is an artifact from the days when the arrows, etc. did not exist as separate keys.
An easy indicator to see if a computer is on / wake it up / see if the keyboard is connected / see if a PC has crashed.
Depends on the settings on the computer.
I’ve seen some with USB ports powered when shut off, leave the numlock key lit.
I can be useful. If NumLock is turned off you can use 2, 4, 6, and 8 as arrow keys for example. Although with most modern programs you can easily rebind keys so it’s more a thing of the past, like the “Pause” button.
A thing of the past? Pause is used a lot to pause games.
I have never seen pause used that way for modern games. Most of them just use
Escapeinstead, with pause being left for lower-system things like theREISUBsequence.Don’t know what to tell you, for me it often works. Maybe give it a try? Esc usually brings you to the menu, which implies pausing, but it’s separate from pause key.
“A lot”?
Man, I’ve used F9 as a pause key more often than Pause.
I am an avid gamer and have never used that button to pause a game. Escape is the go to for that, no?
I have literally removed the NumLock keycap from all of my keyboards to make sure I don’t accidentally turn it off. Never missed it.
I have also removed the F1 keycap. Never use it.
Scroll Lock is the one that comes to mind as a safe removal.
However, for me, the real useless AND inconvenient piece of shit I wish I could rebind as I want that space for something better is Caps Lock. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy to do.
I’ve set my computer so that holding caps lock lets me type in Greek
Swap caps lock and left control. It’s the first thing I do on most of my computers, especially notebooks.
The newer versions of Windows Powertoys from Microsoft makes it easy on Windows.
Been easy on Mac and most Linux distros for years.
You should look into Kanata. It lets you remap the whole keyboard, same idea as QMK, except it’s running on your computer instead of the keyboard itself.
It can be a bit tricky to set up if you’re not used to that sort of thing, but I managed to figure it out so if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Use autohotkey! I have a very simple solution for this, where the caps lock key is mapped either as a backspace key, or it minimizes the current window.
Lol I also remove the Num Lock key! I find myself accidentally pressing it too much and I just never want to use that function anyway.
I don’t think I’ve ever used numlock for anything other than “oh shit, I must have accidentally hit it when I was entering numbers via 10 key so I need to turn it off.
Yes. On my keyboard there’s no separate “end” key, it’s part of 3 on the numpad, that key is very useful when using the terminal, because you don’t need to wait for 5 years for the cursor to make it to the end of your command.
Reassign it to the NumLock key.
I’m too lazy to figure out how to do that
If you have keyboard software, you might be able to use that. I use autohotkey for reassigning keys. The script would be:
For windows,
Just put it in a txt file after installing AHK and use .ahk at the end of the file name. There’s a way to make it the default script, but I think but I use just task scheduler to make it start on boot/login.
Chaotic neutral
Ctrl-e in bash is move cursor to end. Ctrl-a is like home.
emacs?!
set -o viunless you just want to see the world burn(I’m kidding, I use the emacs shortcuts in bash, but vim is my goto text editor)
Yeah I’m the same. Emacs shortcuts make a lot of sense for readline programs.
There’s an old game I grew up with called Castle of the Winds. You could also move using some other keys or the mouse, but for me my favorite way by far was using the numpad with numlock turned off.
I also used to use the numpad while playing Half-Life, as the person who introduced me to that game swore by remapping all the keys to the numpad.
Damn I loved Castle of the Winds. Was actually just thinking about frying to see it I could play it again recently for a nice nostalgia kick.
Old games are pretty much the only use Ive ever seen. The keypad can be used as arrow keys, but with diagonal options and the ability to easily switch over to numbers. Nethack, for instance, is extra challenging without a proper numberpad.
vi keys for life
It’s a relic of the past. Old keyboards didn’t have dedicated arrow keys and since many programs were only controlled by arrow keys rather than a mouse, having a num lock key was a good solution to the problem. But if you are still stuck in an environment where you have to navigate a lot with arrow keys, the num lock still comes in handy. Having Pg Up and Down and the Home/End keys nearby is super handy in this situation.
It’s still useful for some old video games, especially for multiplayer where both play at the same time.
I can’t even remember when I would’ve needed the arrow keys on the numpad.
My keyboard has also SysRq, Scroll lock and Pause/Break keys on top of the numpad, never needed any of them.
I only find it useful on laptop keyboards. I like the numpad for entering numbers, and I also like having dedicated keys for stuff like Home, End, and Insert when browsing or editing. It saves space when you can double the numpad for both.
I think the numlock key is a hangover from the IBM XT computers (maybe even before that). Those keyboards didn’t have the cursor keys and other key block. So, the numlock key was quite important.
I know, because I got my first PC during the PC AT days right before they moved toward ATX. That was a full size keyboard.
I am surprised it has stuck around so long. I understand in the transition from XT to AT that perhaps computer operators got used to using the numpad for navigation and muscle memory would be ruined. But, you know it’s like 40 years on now. There isn’t really a modern day reason to keep it.
But, happy to be proven wrong.