Since IVPN and Mullvad are both phasing out port forwarding, are there any alternatives? I am not looking for something like NordVPN which is a privacy nightmare. AirVPN is also not private enough considering I’ve seen reports online of ISPs sending out DMCA letters of gold to its users.
I moved from mullvad to ivpn and now again on the lookout. I guess i2p is “the future” but right now I’m not sure how that works with private trackers.
Whilst you can still torrent without port forwarding I don’t think seeding works right?
That’s not entirely true- you can upload your own, but you can only seed to users that do have port forwarding. On many trackers, that initial seed is all going to seed boxes with an autograb script enabled anyway, and those do have port forwarding.
It’s refreshing being on Lemmy and being able to see a good discussion on vps with (unlike reddit) no bot comment spam and no users engaging in paid shilling.
I switched to protonvpn recently and it seems pretty good, I was getting a lot of websites blocking me when I was using PIA and that seems to not be a problem with proton.
Personally I don’t trust Proton. I know I’m paranoid, but can’t be too sure about anything these days. To my knowledge MV and IVPN are the only ones with a nice privacy reputation. Shame they are cutting port forwarding
Proton only started logging his IP after they were legally forced to do so, just like any other law abiding company would have to do.
Proton offers an onion site of Protonmail which the activist should have been using since he allegedly committed
theft and property damage, crimes - the latter two - that enable surveillance
this is a case of user error and bad opsec, not a company bending over backwards to share their users information. If you’re going to do things that are likely going to get you arrested, no matter how noble the cause, make sure you have excellent OpSec
To add to that, email and vpn are different. It’s easy to force logging of a specific email address when forced to by law, but doing that based on vpn ip address only is more problematic
Can’t they just log your account? You have to have an account with Proton to use their VPN. They can absolutely log your activity such as logging in, when you connected/disconnected, to which servers, and, more importantly, where from exactly (your original IP address)
Proton doesn’t keep logs by default unless legally forced to.
Law enforcement would have to know the email account to make them log it. If they know the email account you’re using with ProtonVPN then thats user error and bad OpSec.
In the example you linked, if law enforcement didn’t know the guys email address then they couldn’t have forced Proton to log his IP.
Bad opsec? It’s a bad VPN if it needs an email at all. Look at what IVPN does, they don’t even have a requirement for emails to register. I’m pretty sure Mullvad just recently was raided by authorities seize whatever they want they said, won’t find any user data they said. And they didn’t. Also proton redirects or used to redirect from onion to clearnet when you signed in. It simply isn’t up to par with IVPN and Mullvad. What’s the point of a VPN where a government can just request them to leak your data? No matter how, AT ALL! What constitutes a big enough crime for them? What if next day it’s downloading Frozen II.mkv?
Proton requires an email because they offer a free tier, without some way of regulating users their servers would be overrun with bots and spam…
The difference between what recently happened with Mullvad and what happened in the article you linked about Proton is that with Mullvad they were looking for general user data for VPN usage, not a specific persons email account like with Proton.
If a copyright holder or law enforcement is in a torrent swarm and logs all of the IP addresses of the seeders of Frozen II and then goes looking for the users of those IPs then ProtonVPN and Mullvad VPN would have the same response - No logs, no idea
Sure, not having to register with an email with Mullvad and IVPN is great but they’re not offering port forwarding any more so we recommended ProtonVPN and you said you didn’t trust them because they followed the law, if Mullvad or IVPN offered email services then they would have to do the same thing Proton did.
If you make a ProtonVPN account with the sole purpose of torrenting then all you have to do is not publicise your Proton email along with the fact that you’re torrenting and then nobody can really do anything about that because law enforcement can’t go to Proton like they did with that guy because they don’t know the account linked to you.
I didn’t hear about the onion issues, but again unless Proton was specifically told to log specific users IPs then even if they were redirected, their IPs wouldn’t have been logged in those instances.
Its still user error, he must have publicised his Proton account, law enforcement found out about it and his IP was logged under Swiss law, thats user error. Its crappy that thats law but if you’re going to do things like that then you should know how to protect yourself properly
Edit: I see AirVPN was mentioned by op in its post. Regarding it being “not private enough” and reports of users receiving DMCA notices:
I highly doubt these reports are correct, and even it they were, I don’t think it would be the fault of AirVPN.
From a technical perspective AirVPN is excellent. They offer every feature you can imagine and allow you to work with native WireGuard, OpenVPN or their own client.
But this technical freedom might lead to some misconfigurations out there, like DNS leaking due to not enforcing changes to resolv.conf etc.
if you’re not that technical, use their official client.
I bought 2 years from them a while ago but was required to:
enter an email
use my address to purchase
Good product though. Horrible SOCKS5 proxies though, almost 90% downtime. Not to foremention the horrible support from the admins - the normal support was amazing though.
Really up to you if you want the compromises, though there are better VPNs for privacy out there.
I suspect ProtonVPN will remove port forwarding soon enough. Mullvad had valid concerns with removing port forwarding, and I expect the industry to agree. I’m not sure what the answer to this problem is.
I saw someone say that Proton implemented their port forwarding in a different way than Mullvad that negates a lot of the issues that caused them to axe it
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I moved from mullvad to ivpn and now again on the lookout. I guess i2p is “the future” but right now I’m not sure how that works with private trackers.
Whilst you can still torrent without port forwarding I don’t think seeding works right?
Seeding still works without port forwarding but uploading your owns torrents is not possible
That’s not entirely true- you can upload your own, but you can only seed to users that do have port forwarding. On many trackers, that initial seed is all going to seed boxes with an autograb script enabled anyway, and those do have port forwarding.
It’s refreshing being on Lemmy and being able to see a good discussion on vps with (unlike reddit) no bot comment spam and no users engaging in paid shilling.
I switched to protonvpn recently and it seems pretty good, I was getting a lot of websites blocking me when I was using PIA and that seems to not be a problem with proton.
Personally I don’t trust Proton. I know I’m paranoid, but can’t be too sure about anything these days. To my knowledge MV and IVPN are the only ones with a nice privacy reputation. Shame they are cutting port forwarding
Proton only started logging his IP after they were legally forced to do so, just like any other law abiding company would have to do.
Proton offers an onion site of Protonmail which the activist should have been using since he allegedly committed
this is a case of user error and bad opsec, not a company bending over backwards to share their users information. If you’re going to do things that are likely going to get you arrested, no matter how noble the cause, make sure you have excellent OpSec
To add to that, email and vpn are different. It’s easy to force logging of a specific email address when forced to by law, but doing that based on vpn ip address only is more problematic
Can’t they just log your account? You have to have an account with Proton to use their VPN. They can absolutely log your activity such as logging in, when you connected/disconnected, to which servers, and, more importantly, where from exactly (your original IP address)
Proton doesn’t keep logs by default unless legally forced to.
Law enforcement would have to know the email account to make them log it. If they know the email account you’re using with ProtonVPN then thats user error and bad OpSec.
In the example you linked, if law enforcement didn’t know the guys email address then they couldn’t have forced Proton to log his IP.
Bad opsec? It’s a bad VPN if it needs an email at all. Look at what IVPN does, they don’t even have a requirement for emails to register. I’m pretty sure Mullvad just recently was raided by authorities seize whatever they want they said, won’t find any user data they said. And they didn’t. Also proton redirects or used to redirect from onion to clearnet when you signed in. It simply isn’t up to par with IVPN and Mullvad. What’s the point of a VPN where a government can just request them to leak your data? No matter how, AT ALL! What constitutes a big enough crime for them? What if next day it’s downloading Frozen II.mkv?
Proton requires an email because they offer a free tier, without some way of regulating users their servers would be overrun with bots and spam…
The difference between what recently happened with Mullvad and what happened in the article you linked about Proton is that with Mullvad they were looking for general user data for VPN usage, not a specific persons email account like with Proton.
If a copyright holder or law enforcement is in a torrent swarm and logs all of the IP addresses of the seeders of Frozen II and then goes looking for the users of those IPs then ProtonVPN and Mullvad VPN would have the same response - No logs, no idea
Sure, not having to register with an email with Mullvad and IVPN is great but they’re not offering port forwarding any more so we recommended ProtonVPN and you said you didn’t trust them because they followed the law, if Mullvad or IVPN offered email services then they would have to do the same thing Proton did.
If you make a ProtonVPN account with the sole purpose of torrenting then all you have to do is not publicise your Proton email along with the fact that you’re torrenting and then nobody can really do anything about that because law enforcement can’t go to Proton like they did with that guy because they don’t know the account linked to you.
I didn’t hear about the onion issues, but again unless Proton was specifically told to log specific users IPs then even if they were redirected, their IPs wouldn’t have been logged in those instances.
Its still user error, he must have publicised his Proton account, law enforcement found out about it and his IP was logged under Swiss law, thats user error. Its crappy that thats law but if you’re going to do things like that then you should know how to protect yourself properly
ProtonVPN
AirVPN! Been a customer for 7-8 years.
Edit: I see AirVPN was mentioned by op in its post. Regarding it being “not private enough” and reports of users receiving DMCA notices: I highly doubt these reports are correct, and even it they were, I don’t think it would be the fault of AirVPN. From a technical perspective AirVPN is excellent. They offer every feature you can imagine and allow you to work with native WireGuard, OpenVPN or their own client.
But this technical freedom might lead to some misconfigurations out there, like DNS leaking due to not enforcing changes to resolv.conf etc. if you’re not that technical, use their official client.
Torguard supports port forwarding. I’m not sure how it ranks in privacy though.
I bought 2 years from them a while ago but was required to:
Good product though. Horrible SOCKS5 proxies though, almost 90% downtime. Not to foremention the horrible support from the admins - the normal support was amazing though.
Really up to you if you want the compromises, though there are better VPNs for privacy out there.
Honestly i don’t really use port forwarding at all but it sucks its being removed, we need more privacy in this day and age.
PIA have port forwarding.
I know they’ve been one of the top recommendations from TF for years.
they are owned by a umbrella company which owns multiple big name VPN providers so I wouldnt really trust them anymore https://embed.kumu.io/9ced55e897e74fd807be51990b26b415#vpn-company-relationships/private-internet-access
Which also used to spread adware through their applications (search Cross Rider I believe, now names Kape)
I suspect ProtonVPN will remove port forwarding soon enough. Mullvad had valid concerns with removing port forwarding, and I expect the industry to agree. I’m not sure what the answer to this problem is.
I saw someone say that Proton implemented their port forwarding in a different way than Mullvad that negates a lot of the issues that caused them to axe it
They literally just launched portforwarding on proton vpn this year