Is there drama or a story I’m missing? As I understand it, from lemmy.world I can see their posts but they cannot see mine. Why did beehaw block lemmy.world?
It’s just that the moderation tools aren’t yet there to allow a server that wants low drama to federate with a server that’s attracting a lot of general-public attention.
From what I understand, LW users were posting lower quality content after a huge amount of Reddit users flooded into it and the Beehaw admins were tired of it so they defederated.
At the end of the day beehaw wants to be tightly moderated and it’s kind of imposible to properly moderate huge amounts of users at the moment with their tools so they decided to ban big instances that don’t require any verification to join
So basically, they want to be like reddit with authoritative mods and overreactive bans.
Wrong.
Beehaw has a specific goal, and it’s transparently taking actions to further that goal. It’s neither acting “on a whim” or enforcing hidden rules, like Reddit authoritative mods would.
Personally I don’t like this sort of moderation, I feel better in environments where mods/admins let users sort themselves out, but to compare it with the situation in Reddit is, if I may be honest, a fucking stupid false equivalence. And even if we two don’t need safe spaces, it’s good to have a few of them here and there, and Beehaw fits that role fine.
Perhaps I can’t claim it with complete certainty; but that applies to everyone, and everything. Nobody can be fully certain of anything at all. However since that leads to some useless trash called “solipsism”, we need to put an arbitrary line somewhere, and say that some things are certain enough to allow us to claim them “for certain”.
And, in this case, we got two good ways to place that line: 1) consistency with the data at hand, and 2) Ockham’s razor.
What I claimed is consistent with the behaviour and statements of the administration of that instance, and it explains the event (their decision to defederate lemmy.world). And it’s also the simplest explanation for it. So yeah, I am claiming it for certain.
You know what can’t be claimed for certain though? What someone else “wants”. For example, your claim that they “want to be like Reddit”.
yet you certainly seem to believe it.
This is pretty much ignorable given that nobody have access to anyone else’s “beliefs”.
Agree with the sentiment, I don’t need it nor is it my thing, I prefer to be the one that has to do the blocking rather than mods, but I can see why it’s there.
I hate when people try to do safe spaces and some outsider looks at it and starts staying it’s authoritarian, an echo chamber, propaganda, power hungry admins, etc.
Like, dude if there is a group of people that want to be protected from certain rethoric, it’s pathetic to act with indignation just because the don’t want everyone to interact. Not every community is about fitting everyone and being neutral, as long as they are transparent with it let them have their place in peace.
I don’t feel it as creepy; it’s useful for some situations, topics, and people. In special, it’s a good way to build a comfy place for people in marginalised groups to talk about their stuff, without hearing for the 20956th time the same helicopter joke.
Ah. Technically, could they re-federate with Lemmy.world whenever they want or does re-federation require some sort of approval from lemmy.world admins?
I’m hoping they will. I subscribed to some beehaw communities that look appealing. I chose Lemmy.world out of convenience and I also appreciate the dude behind it…once things settle it would be sad if they don’t allow any LW people because of a few shitposters.
Have you considered making an account there (or on a non blocked lemmy instance), especially with how most apps I’ve used allow for multiple accounts and changing with two taps I don’t think there is much reason not tp make an account in the meantime.
There’s no actual drama. It’s just that Beehaw admins have a specific view on how their instance should be, and for that they need stricter behaviour and content control. Based on that they defederated lemmy.world due to [ipsis digitis] “inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users”.
I am not too big of a fan of defederation, nor of stricter admin/moderator control, but in this specific case I can understand and agree with their decision, even if I use content from both instances - it makes sense in the context.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
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It’s just that the moderation tools aren’t yet there to allow a server that wants low drama to federate with a server that’s attracting a lot of general-public attention.
Good point. I assume they’ll improve as time goes on.
You can read their original announcement and reasoning here: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
From what I understand, LW users were posting lower quality content after a huge amount of Reddit users flooded into it and the Beehaw admins were tired of it so they defederated.
For anyone interested, they explained the reasoning behind this particular defederation here:
https://docs.beehaw.org/docs/important-questions-decisions-and-reflections/on-defederation/
At the end of the day beehaw wants to be tightly moderated and it’s kind of imposible to properly moderate huge amounts of users at the moment with their tools so they decided to ban big instances that don’t require any verification to join
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Wrong.
Beehaw has a specific goal, and it’s transparently taking actions to further that goal. It’s neither acting “on a whim” or enforcing hidden rules, like Reddit authoritative mods would.
Personally I don’t like this sort of moderation, I feel better in environments where mods/admins let users sort themselves out, but to compare it with the situation in Reddit is, if I may be honest, a fucking stupid false equivalence. And even if we two don’t need safe spaces, it’s good to have a few of them here and there, and Beehaw fits that role fine.
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That’s appeal to ignorance but I’ll bite.
Perhaps I can’t claim it with complete certainty; but that applies to everyone, and everything. Nobody can be fully certain of anything at all. However since that leads to some useless trash called “solipsism”, we need to put an arbitrary line somewhere, and say that some things are certain enough to allow us to claim them “for certain”.
And, in this case, we got two good ways to place that line: 1) consistency with the data at hand, and 2) Ockham’s razor.
What I claimed is consistent with the behaviour and statements of the administration of that instance, and it explains the event (their decision to defederate lemmy.world). And it’s also the simplest explanation for it. So yeah, I am claiming it for certain.
You know what can’t be claimed for certain though? What someone else “wants”. For example, your claim that they “want to be like Reddit”.
This is pretty much ignorable given that nobody have access to anyone else’s “beliefs”.
Agree with the sentiment, I don’t need it nor is it my thing, I prefer to be the one that has to do the blocking rather than mods, but I can see why it’s there.
I hate when people try to do safe spaces and some outsider looks at it and starts staying it’s authoritarian, an echo chamber, propaganda, power hungry admins, etc. Like, dude if there is a group of people that want to be protected from certain rethoric, it’s pathetic to act with indignation just because the don’t want everyone to interact. Not every community is about fitting everyone and being neutral, as long as they are transparent with it let them have their place in peace.
It feels kind of creepy. But if they like it, I guess that’s their business.
I don’t feel it as creepy; it’s useful for some situations, topics, and people. In special, it’s a good way to build a comfy place for people in marginalised groups to talk about their stuff, without hearing for the 20956th time the same helicopter joke.
Ah. Technically, could they re-federate with Lemmy.world whenever they want or does re-federation require some sort of approval from lemmy.world admins?
I’m not sure. Sorry.
I’m hoping they will. I subscribed to some beehaw communities that look appealing. I chose Lemmy.world out of convenience and I also appreciate the dude behind it…once things settle it would be sad if they don’t allow any LW people because of a few shitposters.
Have you considered making an account there (or on a non blocked lemmy instance), especially with how most apps I’ve used allow for multiple accounts and changing with two taps I don’t think there is much reason not tp make an account in the meantime.
Not a bad idea
As long as .world doesn’t defederate them back, Beehaw can re-federate whenever they want.
Thanks for the links! I guess that’s the power of the Fediverse; everyone can do or not do their own thing. ☺️
Sadly not anyone, only admins. Beehaw situation is risk with big instances. At least it’s easy to change one if you start to dislike current.
But anyone can set up an instance and become admin 😉
There’s no actual drama. It’s just that Beehaw admins have a specific view on how their instance should be, and for that they need stricter behaviour and content control. Based on that they defederated lemmy.world due to [ipsis digitis] “inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users”.
I am not too big of a fan of defederation, nor of stricter admin/moderator control, but in this specific case I can understand and agree with their decision, even if I use content from both instances - it makes sense in the context.
True, it makes sense if that were their vision.