If it’s not currently a problem then I don’t think we need to ban them. Having to remember a bunch of rules and worry about occasionally tripping one is annoying; and having an occasional stupid meme post isn’t really the end of the world as long as they’re not drowning out useful discussion. If it ever reaches the point where they are then of course things would be different, but that’s not the case right now.
Reddit’s algorithm has slowly deprioritized text-based content over time. I moderate a large discussion sub and our view counts have slowly declined over the past ten years, with the biggest drop happening when the redesign released. Discussion did happen on /r/piracy, but you had to go to the subreddit and sort by new.
Communities rise or fall with the people in them, especially those who contribute and less those who lurk.
Piracy communities are typically made up of people who are used to being shattered to rebuild elsewhere, so it makes sense that this would be one of those who have less trouble moving.
We have more freedom here, don’t have to worry about stepping on any corporate toes. Also the viewership is a lot smaller and the people that are here are more interested in actual information and discussion. I don’t think that will change a huge amount, but as the platform grows we may see more shitposts.
Also it takes a little more effort to deal with the decentralized platform here. It kind of weeds out the user base. I mean I’ve been astonished by the lack of effort seen in some Reddit posts. For example posting a question that can be answered straight away with a simple search.
The one that gets me is photos of screens instead of screenshots. And not like a crashed 3ds or a blue screen. Like in a game or an app where the screenshot button was right there 🙃
Yeah that’s some seriously low effort, can’t be bothered to use the screenshot function and deal with a file. Actually my feeling is it comes from ineptitude and low intelligence, but all of it is rooted in laziness.
I won’t ever be using social media on anything but my phone, and I dont have file sharing between my phone and other devices. So the best anybody will get from me is a picture of the screen.
I dont have file sharing between my phone and other devices
That’s patently false. If your device has internet, and your phone has internet, you have file sharing.
Email it to yourself if you’re too lazy to set up anything else. It takes like 30 seconds.
I’d argue that anything you could post that isn’t worth taking that small bit of extra time isn’t worth posting in the first place. If you want your discussion places to stay quality and attract quality content, then you need to put forth a bare minimum bit of effort. Communities already trend towards lower effort as they grow in size, there’s no need to accelerate that to save yourself a few seconds.
Beyond that, setting up a file share on your home network isn’t that tough if you have any interest in doing it.
You’re missing the point. I don’t send emails to and from other devices. And I have no interest in setting up file sharing, as I’m keeping my devices separate from one another. I consider my phone radioactive to my other devices for privacy/ legal reasons.
There’s still the corporate pressure from the host. I assume most people wouldn’t be hosting Lemmy from their home for bandwidth/uptime reasons. Its hard to find a truly bulletproof VPS anymore. And they aren’t cheap. With the VPS and storage you could be looking at $60-100 out of pocket.
Mine runs me around $55 a month and I have to rely on daily backups since it could be shut down with enough pressure.
Someone has to pay for this, which I imagine will be a problem eventually. I run mine for my own personal use, then I open the instances up with whatever resources I have left over. But if I was running an instance of 10,000+ users, I wouldn’t be able to afford that.
There should be an amount of privacy in running a VPS, I mean if your VPS is examining content on your server, time to find a new VPS. They could possibly get complaints about content. They have policies you have to sign off on to contract their services. At least it’s a world away from using a site like Reddit where they own your content flat out.
Number of users and popularity. Plus not being able to seriously discuss it on reddit due to them potentially banning the sub.
I’m excited for Lemmy and other federated communities, because it allows places to stay smaller while still sharing posts and comments. That should help stop the effect of a single community getting super high traffic. Plus there is no karma/score so there’s less incentive to spam low effort posts.
I would add that in addition to this, the community could spool up another instance in a game of cat an mouse should anyone ever TRY to stop it. As the saying goes: piracy is like hydra, you cut one head off and two grow back.
By necessity, so that Reddit wouldn’t have been obliged to intervene and close the community.
I considered the r/Piracy sub a ‘gateway’ - it didn’t overtly provide pirated content, but it made the pirated content safer and more accessible for people who weren’t already familiar with it, or updated us on news for platforms going down or changing hosts. It made piracy accessible.
Of course accessibility means bringing in low-effort users, lurkers, and those who make choices out of comfort/convenience over principle, but it still provided a service.
Because piracy isn’t legal. For anything that can run afoul of the law, or bad publicity, or advertisers’ preferences, Reddit admins have to keep the content on a tight leash. Lemmy doesn’t have advertisers to worry about as it’s supported directly by users, and not being a for-profit company makes it somewhat harder for the law to come down on it (and if they do, the community can easily move). Really, it’s a fundamental advantage of federation.
We couldn’t talk about real digital piracy anymore after seeing so many subs that were acceptable early in Reddit’s lifespan get taken down, some deserved, some not.
Having our own server based sub is extremely beneficial and this particular community was lucky that this event occurred. If anyone would like to talk about PC Gaming in a piracy friendly environment, checkout [email protected]
Not wrong, but did we seriously travel back to late 2000’s 4chan? There’s far more apt ways to communicate the concept that communities tend to degenerate to fit the lowest common denominator of their users, and that will only shift lower as the userbase grows. Any community will be better quality when the majority of its userbase consists of people deeply invested in the topic.
I’ve found that talking like a reasonable adult rather than relying on NEET/internet denizen slang as shorthand tends to help “hot takes” like this be taken more seriously. It also gives more for others to respond to, in regards to adding anything useful to a conversation/comment chain.
Worth noting that what you upvote/downvote is “publicly available” to see on the fediverse if anyone does start to automate moderation actions. Like on reddit where you could get banned from multiple subs for posting on a different one.
That’s interesting - is it only mods who can see that or is there a publicly viewable way ? If mods only is it mods of any federated server or just your “home” instance ?
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
⚓ A community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.
This community also needs to ban random memes.
If it’s not currently a problem then I don’t think we need to ban them. Having to remember a bunch of rules and worry about occasionally tripping one is annoying; and having an occasional stupid meme post isn’t really the end of the world as long as they’re not drowning out useful discussion. If it ever reaches the point where they are then of course things would be different, but that’s not the case right now.
We should just make a PiracyMemes community.
I could be wrong, but I think Reddit’s sitewide rules frown on discussions of piracy. Doesn’t look good to advertisers, I assume.
I only base this on many subreddits having rules against discussing how to find pirated content.
Ironic that the admins bullied r/piracy mods to reopen
Reddit’s algorithm has slowly deprioritized text-based content over time. I moderate a large discussion sub and our view counts have slowly declined over the past ten years, with the biggest drop happening when the redesign released. Discussion did happen on /r/piracy, but you had to go to the subreddit and sort by new.
Communities rise or fall with the people in them, especially those who contribute and less those who lurk.
Piracy communities are typically made up of people who are used to being shattered to rebuild elsewhere, so it makes sense that this would be one of those who have less trouble moving.
Because all the cool kids came here ;)
Are the mods that made the megathread here? That’s what important. Content.
Reddit was never fun to start with, also the API garbage is not the first reason that made it shitty. Lemmy is ready to take over.
We have more freedom here, don’t have to worry about stepping on any corporate toes. Also the viewership is a lot smaller and the people that are here are more interested in actual information and discussion. I don’t think that will change a huge amount, but as the platform grows we may see more shitposts.
Also it takes a little more effort to deal with the decentralized platform here. It kind of weeds out the user base. I mean I’ve been astonished by the lack of effort seen in some Reddit posts. For example posting a question that can be answered straight away with a simple search.
The one that gets me is photos of screens instead of screenshots. And not like a crashed 3ds or a blue screen. Like in a game or an app where the screenshot button was right there 🙃
Yeah that’s some seriously low effort, can’t be bothered to use the screenshot function and deal with a file. Actually my feeling is it comes from ineptitude and low intelligence, but all of it is rooted in laziness.
I won’t ever be using social media on anything but my phone, and I dont have file sharing between my phone and other devices. So the best anybody will get from me is a picture of the screen.
That’s patently false. If your device has internet, and your phone has internet, you have file sharing. Email it to yourself if you’re too lazy to set up anything else. It takes like 30 seconds.
I’d argue that anything you could post that isn’t worth taking that small bit of extra time isn’t worth posting in the first place. If you want your discussion places to stay quality and attract quality content, then you need to put forth a bare minimum bit of effort. Communities already trend towards lower effort as they grow in size, there’s no need to accelerate that to save yourself a few seconds.
Beyond that, setting up a file share on your home network isn’t that tough if you have any interest in doing it.
You’re missing the point. I don’t send emails to and from other devices. And I have no interest in setting up file sharing, as I’m keeping my devices separate from one another. I consider my phone radioactive to my other devices for privacy/ legal reasons.
There’s still the corporate pressure from the host. I assume most people wouldn’t be hosting Lemmy from their home for bandwidth/uptime reasons. Its hard to find a truly bulletproof VPS anymore. And they aren’t cheap. With the VPS and storage you could be looking at $60-100 out of pocket.
Mine runs me around $55 a month and I have to rely on daily backups since it could be shut down with enough pressure.
Someone has to pay for this, which I imagine will be a problem eventually. I run mine for my own personal use, then I open the instances up with whatever resources I have left over. But if I was running an instance of 10,000+ users, I wouldn’t be able to afford that.
There should be an amount of privacy in running a VPS, I mean if your VPS is examining content on your server, time to find a new VPS. They could possibly get complaints about content. They have policies you have to sign off on to contract their services. At least it’s a world away from using a site like Reddit where they own your content flat out.
Number of users and popularity. Plus not being able to seriously discuss it on reddit due to them potentially banning the sub.
I’m excited for Lemmy and other federated communities, because it allows places to stay smaller while still sharing posts and comments. That should help stop the effect of a single community getting super high traffic. Plus there is no karma/score so there’s less incentive to spam low effort posts.
Im glad we have such a big piracy community, we gotta stick it to the man.
I think a lot of it stemmed from the sub always living in fear of being closed/banned by Reddit’s admins.
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I would add that in addition to this, the community could spool up another instance in a game of cat an mouse should anyone ever TRY to stop it. As the saying goes: piracy is like hydra, you cut one head off and two grow back.
Hail Hydra
reddit was always heavily moderated for real piracy discussion, I believe
By necessity, so that Reddit wouldn’t have been obliged to intervene and close the community.
I considered the r/Piracy sub a ‘gateway’ - it didn’t overtly provide pirated content, but it made the pirated content safer and more accessible for people who weren’t already familiar with it, or updated us on news for platforms going down or changing hosts. It made piracy accessible.
Of course accessibility means bringing in low-effort users, lurkers, and those who make choices out of comfort/convenience over principle, but it still provided a service.
Because piracy isn’t legal. For anything that can run afoul of the law, or bad publicity, or advertisers’ preferences, Reddit admins have to keep the content on a tight leash. Lemmy doesn’t have advertisers to worry about as it’s supported directly by users, and not being a for-profit company makes it somewhat harder for the law to come down on it (and if they do, the community can easily move). Really, it’s a fundamental advantage of federation.
We couldn’t talk about real digital piracy anymore after seeing so many subs that were acceptable early in Reddit’s lifespan get taken down, some deserved, some not.
Having our own server based sub is extremely beneficial and this particular community was lucky that this event occurred. If anyone would like to talk about PC Gaming in a piracy friendly environment, checkout [email protected]
Normies eventually ruin everything.
All the normies downvoted you
I’m enough of an oldf*g that I’m beyond dank, I’m positively crepuscular. Absolutely NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEE
That said his take really adds nothing to the conversation, especially compared to other commenters expressing the same thing more eloquently desu
Not wrong, but did we seriously travel back to late 2000’s 4chan? There’s far more apt ways to communicate the concept that communities tend to degenerate to fit the lowest common denominator of their users, and that will only shift lower as the userbase grows. Any community will be better quality when the majority of its userbase consists of people deeply invested in the topic.
I’ve found that talking like a reasonable adult rather than relying on NEET/internet denizen slang as shorthand tends to help “hot takes” like this be taken more seriously. It also gives more for others to respond to, in regards to adding anything useful to a conversation/comment chain.
Because I don’t feel spied here. Here I feel safe man
Worth noting that what you upvote/downvote is “publicly available” to see on the fediverse if anyone does start to automate moderation actions. Like on reddit where you could get banned from multiple subs for posting on a different one.
That’s interesting - is it only mods who can see that or is there a publicly viewable way ? If mods only is it mods of any federated server or just your “home” instance ?
I think it’s because only the best pirates came over to lemmy.