It’s strange how Mastodon is so willingly letting them in. Fishy… Fishy and hairy. Like a fish with some nice bangs. Maybe a mullet. A little mustache too, recently brushed with a little mustache brush.

This keeps happening to me and I hate it.

Yeha, I don’t think an economy based on donations would work because I know how awful humanity is.

Same way people figured out how to exploit capitalism, they’d figure out how to exploit your proposed system…and it is the most exploitable system I’ve heard of. This isn’t paradise, people aren’t singing Kumbaya and holding their hands.

Your proposal is the equivalent of putting a passed out girl and a rapist in a dark room and asking him to please behave. The rapist is humanity and the girl is a donations based economy, in case that wasn’t clear.

There are instances of communities in which communism works, but it never does at large scale. Idealism doesn’t always match reality, specially considering how evil and power hungry humans are.

The problem of capitalism isn’t capitalism itself, it is a decent system. The problem of the system is their users, power hungry and corrupted users. And any system will get twisted as long as humanity doesn’t change its nature.

What’s next? A government that relies on donations instead of taxes? Workers that rely on donations from their employers?

Yes, exactly, you would lose the interest of high quality producers and artists that don’t think donations are enough or reliable. Why can’t people put a price on the shit they created? Just because you don’t like the way the system works doesn’t give you the right to dismiss its rules. Imagine if someone violated your fundamental rights because they don’t agree with them in their personal world view.

They created that content BECAUSE they wanted to sell it. If there wasn’t an incentive to sell, they wouldn’t have created it, depriving people of the content anyways.

Keep pirating, I don’t care, but don’t pretend you’re not harming the producers of the content or the industries that feed millions of people. You’re probably also harming legal consumers because companies factor in the losses of piracy and increase prices to match their target revenue.

Do you think people are donating enough money to sustain the families of the instance admins? They obviously have jobs and Lemmy is a hobby or a project for them. They aren’t depending on Lemmy for a living.

That can happen sometimes but expecting the world to work around donations for every piece of software, music or literature is just too naive.

Some instance admins have said that they need to create a monetization strategy because depending on donations isn’t reliable.

Are you telling me how I think?

It’s been some years since I pirated stuff, but I definetely did it because I had no money and I wanted to play the games ASAP. I could have saved to buy them, but I chose to be selfish and focus on instant gratification.

Most pirates just want free content, that’s it. They want to save their money.

Streaming services are cheaper in India. Games are cheaper in India.

I’m not sure what gatekeeping you’re talking about.

Also, imagine saying a top restaurant is gatekeeping people from quality food. Well, damn, quality music is more expensive to produce!! Quality books take longer to write!! Quality movies require millions of dollars!!

They are still going to contribute. They will still update their CentOS Stream with fixes. They’ll still contribute to FOSS and the Linux Kernel… They are just making it harder for clone distributions to steal their work as soon as they publish it.

How is it wrong? They want to make Redhat more profitable. If it becomes more profitable they’ll hire more engineers who will further develop FOSS.

Yes, exactly, piracy is fine as long as it isn’t widespread. But these wackos are saying that everything should be free because copying isn’t stealing.

A little piracy? Nobody cares. A lot of piracy? No good, industries collapse.

It is immoral because it is stealing, even if they can take the loss, it is still stealing. Stealing is wrong in most cases.

What’s the point of your last paragraph, are you saying that only certain pirating is ethical?

Because I agree it is OK in that particular scenario, but not everywhere. But people here aren’t being this specific. And it is weird that you had to go to that specific scenario after I told you how piracy can destroy the life of a person.

I have pirated games that I would have bought if I didn’t know how to pirate it.

That, right there, counters everything you said. It is stealing because I’m not paying for something I would have payed.

Imagine getting in a concert without paying and saying “it isn’t stealing because there’s free space and the sound is shared”. Is that how you live your life?

If they grew, they could help more people who are hungry.

Redhat not giving back?

Do you think Redhat hasn’t contributed to Linux?

I swear, I’m about to punch a wall reading these replies. Holy shit.

So the world is bad because of copyright. OK.

So far, “fitting in” has been the worst excuse for stealing. So, can people go into an IShop and steal Iphones because they want to fit in?

Look, I don’t care if people steal. Go, do it, I’m doing it too… But pretending it isn’t wrong is such bullshit.

How is stealing anyone’s effort and hard work fine? Just because the work can be duplicated easily doesn’t mean that it didn’t take a lot of effort to produce and should be sold individually.

Imagine telling a book author that they only sold a copy because everyone agrees copying and sharing his book was fine. It took him 5 years to write it. He’d probably kill himself. Again just because something can be duplicated doesn’t mean it doesn’t take work!!!

Did you read the descriptions? They are either located in very rich countries or are charities.

If they are located in rich countries, guess how people got the money to be able to pay… They got the money because they got payed for their work. Their work wasn’t stolen.

And the charities, looks like an amazing initiative, but definetely not lucrative. So expansion and growth would be extremely hard. Also, they seem to rely on limited resources like supermarket leftover food.

Whatever world you envision, I’m glad I’m not part of it. Imagine a world in which inventors have no incentive to create because their ideas get stolen in the blink of an eye, leaving them bankrupt.

No thanks.

You can say capitalism is not important all you want. The fact is that people need money to feed their families.

If pirating was much more widespread, industries would die and workers would have no jobs. That’s a fact.

The only thing stopping piracy from growing are laws.

It’s like communisn had sex with piracy and a bunch of people with messiah complex were born.

I want my good ol’ piracy back, in which we all knew we were criminals downloading shit because we didn’t want to pay, I could use that money to buy a burger or something.

First, times change old man. Software now requires maintenance and requirements change.

Second, I was talking about your ideal scenario in which software can be given away without cracking it or without piracy being illegal. In that scenario, software would use the cloud services because, why not? They are already giving away all the effort of the programmers.

Third, holy shit, I can’t believe a programmer is PRO software piracy. Do you even understand how your industry works? Do you realize software needs to be sold to generate a revenue? This ain’t charity.

Oh yeha, that’s right. But if they ever start hating Reddit as much, that’s their chance.

Bro, please go back and read what being libertarian means.

Being libertarian doesn’t mean you get to do whatever the fuck you want. In fact, libertarians protect free market and property.

A libertarian would never agree with stealing someone’s private effort. Never.

Bro WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Do you think software doesn’t need specialized engineers to maintain the quality and fix issues constantly? Do you think the cloud infrastructure that your pirated software is accessing doesn’t cost any money?

I’ll just stop this here, I’m sorry, I just feel like you’re a teenager who doesn’t know how things actually work. I’m tired of explaining.

Have a good day sir.

I believe in FOSS because it is voluntary effort. I don’t believe stealing from someone who doesn’t want to give their work for free is ethical.

You’re clearly borderline communist, so I guess there’s nothing I can say to change your mind. You think everyone should work for free for you, it is your born given right to get all their effort freely, even if they don’t want to give it to you for free. Gotcha.

Just because you do it that way doesn’t mean that other people would. I’m 100% sure that most pirates don’t go back and purchase what they pirated if they liked it.

Which is why pirating is illegal… Because you can’t rely on the good will of people. Imagine if you opened a restaurant and you charged only if people agreed to pay. You’d go bankrupt in a month.

So, do you think the developers that created Lemmy don’t get paid real money from real industries that actually monetize their products?

If indie creators aren’t creating content for money, they can go ahead and give their work away, nobody is stopping them…

But stealing from people who actually want to monetize on the content they created? Maybe they want to grow their business, maybe a lot of workers depend on that income, maybe the company needed that extra income to avoid closing a branch, maybe they were in debt…

Go ahead and steal, I don’t care. But don’t think highly of yourself for doing so, that’s such bullshit.

If pirating wasn’t illegal a lot of industries would die. So let’s keep it illegal and unethical, so people actually purchase the products that keep these industries alive and thriving.

I came here expecting to get tips on piracy and instead I saw a bunch of people claiming they were doing God’s work. Insane.

The industry is doing fine BECAUSE piracy is illegal and it is stealing.

If it wasn’t a crime, everyone would do it and industries would collapse.

Holy shit, I’m really walking you through this one.

Yes, and Valve can pay for the development of FOSS software because their main products are protected from piracy by laws.

You see, the money always comes from products people buy… Not from products people share for free.

I just told you… They may get the money for the job, but if the industry they work on isn’t generating any profits because everyone is sharing the content, then the industry dies and so does the demand for these specialized workers.

Is that too hard to process?

The reason why those industries aren’t dead is precisely because pirating is illegal and a criminal activity which makes most average consumers want to get the products legally.

It’s not my fault you didn’t understand my very clear point. You can read it again if you want.

Yes, they can work for free on Lemmy because they have other jobs that are paying them actual money.

And those jobs can pay them actual money because their software is protected by laws that make pirating illegal and unethical.

In your mind FOSS developers had a net income of $0?

OK, so tell me what is the incentive for a large software company to hire hundreds of workers if they release software that will be sold once and copied infinetly?

Do you realize that the only reason people actually pay for said software is because pirating is illegal? If pirating was legal, nobody would pay, and companies would have no incentives to hire workers.

My brother in Christ, you really really live in an ideal bubble. That’s not how reality works, you know? People need to get paid for their work, otherwise they won’t work.

If they don’t work, there’s no content for you to pirate. So yeah, pirating needs to remain illegal and it is stealing, which is a crime, otherwise nothing would make sense.

The people who hired hundreds of workers to develop that media. The workers that depend on that business to be productive in order for their jobs to be on demand. The families of those workers that need money to buy food and pay rent.

Are pirates wearing two eye patches now, are they blind and can’t see how the world operates?

So what you’re saying is that people should create content and expect no money in return?

Please explain why content creators, like Hollywood, would create content they can’t monetize.

Software developers should work tirelessly for months to deliver software that they should just give away because fuck capitalism?

Dafuq, man, do whatever illegal activity you want as long as you’re ready to face the consequences… But don’t pretend you’re acting ethically…

I have pirated shit too. Chances they’ll catch me are very low, so I don’t care. I also target corporations, never small businesses. But pretending I’m a saint because I’m “sharing information”? That’s delusional.

At least learn to accept what you are without sugarcoats and coping mechanisms.

Yup, and if Reddit keeps going down the path of fucking with its users, I won’t be surprised if Meta decides to strike. There’s just too much value in Reddit’s content.

I have no idea why it wasn’t more obvious to me that Facebook would do this. It’s so obvious now that it is happening.

They have attacked every social network format to date. They’ll probably take down Reddit using ActivityPub afterwards, but for now, Twitter is the easiest target.

I wouldn’t mind if someone stole and curated the top posts from certain subreddits I’m interested in.

I really don’t dislike reddit for their communities but for their CEO and corporate greed. The content is great.

I’m not there because I don’t want to give them money after they mistreated their users.

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