Advocating piracy is one thing, but now banning people for believing in copyright? That’s like banning people for following the law. That is banning people for following the law. What gives? And to think a while ago I declared I wouldn’t have any reason to not take their bans (or the motives behind them) seriously.
Are we trying to get world governments to ban Lemmy (or, worse, the fediverse)? Love the administrative decisions or hate them, such decisions will drag down the whole fediverse. Typically sites are defederated to protect the sites defederating them from liability. Will this be an example, or does this, out of convenience, not apply? Are we forgetting a large portion of the fediverse’s demographics consist of artists trying to make a damn living?
Yes, I always was and I am against copyright, full stop. Copyright makes it harder for people to share my music, which is why I gave it away. I was working in music for the music, but the little money I did make was from producing for others. The only reason I’m not posting it here is because I don’t want to dox myself.
IMO the most important sources of income for musicians are live performances and *merch". This is also what we were taught in recording school. I barely got paid for my digital downloads, although I did get a few people paying even when I released it for free.
I would unironically be thrilled to find out someone pirated my shit. At least then someone thought it was important enough to steal.
And also I’m on Bandcamp. It’s super easy to just rip my stuff. It’s not as if copyright was protecting me from anything 😆.
Encourage credit to be given, when people often otherwise not give credit
Even with copyright, musicians steal parts from each other all the time. Same with other art forms. Taking small parts of other people’s art is normal and how art gets created. And there are social consequences even under capitalism to stealing an entire work without credit which are less formal than legal ones, but just as important for artists looking to keep doing art.
Prevent people from making money from something that is given away for free
… this is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I would happily buy a copy of Mutual Aid by Kropotkin even if Kropotkin or his descendants don’t get compensated because someone put in the work to print the book.
Prevent people from making fake versions of a book, like what happened to the fifth Harry Potter book
Again, there are social and legal consequences even under capitalism for selling people things under false pretenses.
Through all of this maintain incentive for artists to make art
I 1000% do not want to consume art created primarily for profit. Profit-driven art is soulless corpo-trash. It takes up air that could be used by serious organic artists. Driving out profit-seeking behavior is strictly positive IMO. I want to drive out profit-seeking behavior everywhere forever, but art is a great place to start.
The artist doesn’t need to be an artist-for-profit for it to apply. They just need to be someone who can say they spent all day on an art piece. The incentive for that goes away when it amounts to something that other people can enjoy without any boundaries.
I spent literal months on my album when I finally finished it. I spent a whole month going through the drum track note by note adjusting each hit so it was just how I wanted it to sound. I reamped my guitars with hundreds of dollars of gear, actually positioned physical microphones and moved real air to get the sound I wanted. The incentive for that effort was solely to produce the product and have something I could share with people. Yeah getting money here and there is nice, but the real motivation was to actually do the thing for its own sake.
And one of the most consistent stories I hear from musicians is that becoming financially dependent on your art places a severe boundary on what kind of art you’re allowed to produce. For example, if you’re a death metal band and you make your money off death metal, you might have to make a couple more albums of death metal even if, in your heart of hearts, you want to make prog rock now, just to put food on the table.
well of course you dont care, your music apparently has no monetary value (which is fine, but why would you care about copyright when your music makes no money?)
but why would you care about copyright when your music makes no money?
Because it makes sampling extremely legally treacherous.
your music apparently has no monetary value
Almost correct. Strictly speaking, people have paid for my music. Also…last time I checked, Bandcamp had a policy where I was only allowed to offer a limited amount of free downloads and then I would have to pay them to offer my work for free. So I think it is behind the minimum paywall right now, which means it has nonzero monetary value. Which makes me a hypocrite. Shock-horror. But more than a hypocrite… I’ve just been too busy to check on my Bandcamp account since I went back to school. If anyone knows of a free and federated alternative to Bandcamp, please let me know.
Music, like all art and information, should be free for anyone to use and consume. Simultaneously, musicians should be compensated for their work, and I provided other ways that musicians are currently compensated for their work (merch and live shows) in the current system. Frankly , these are much more robust ways to make money.
But more accurately, everyone should have access to the resources they need to survive by virtue of being human, regardless of their success in their chosen field. Full stop.
Copyright didn’t help him since he never made any money off his own work, what discussion is there to have? Why would someone without anything they need to protect, care. Ofc he doesn’t like copyright
If their music was commercially available, I’d pay double of what the most popular music is sold for on commercial platforms.
Edit: Haha what an ass [email protected] aka. known as r.EndTimes is, didn’t like my comment so they downvoted my two unrelated comments about AI in a different post. Yeah, I can understand why lemm.ee is shutting down with the users being the main reason lol.
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You were against copyright? the thing that got you paid and prevented me from just ripping your stuff for free lol
Yes, I always was and I am against copyright, full stop. Copyright makes it harder for people to share my music, which is why I gave it away. I was working in music for the music, but the little money I did make was from producing for others. The only reason I’m not posting it here is because I don’t want to dox myself.
IMO the most important sources of income for musicians are live performances and *merch". This is also what we were taught in recording school. I barely got paid for my digital downloads, although I did get a few people paying even when I released it for free.
I would unironically be thrilled to find out someone pirated my shit. At least then someone thought it was important enough to steal.
And also I’m on Bandcamp. It’s super easy to just rip my stuff. It’s not as if copyright was protecting me from anything 😆.
Copyright is more than just about the distribution. Copyright laws…
Even with copyright, musicians steal parts from each other all the time. Same with other art forms. Taking small parts of other people’s art is normal and how art gets created. And there are social consequences even under capitalism to stealing an entire work without credit which are less formal than legal ones, but just as important for artists looking to keep doing art.
… this is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, I would happily buy a copy of Mutual Aid by Kropotkin even if Kropotkin or his descendants don’t get compensated because someone put in the work to print the book.
Again, there are social and legal consequences even under capitalism for selling people things under false pretenses.
I 1000% do not want to consume art created primarily for profit. Profit-driven art is soulless corpo-trash. It takes up air that could be used by serious organic artists. Driving out profit-seeking behavior is strictly positive IMO. I want to drive out profit-seeking behavior everywhere forever, but art is a great place to start.
The artist doesn’t need to be an artist-for-profit for it to apply. They just need to be someone who can say they spent all day on an art piece. The incentive for that goes away when it amounts to something that other people can enjoy without any boundaries.
I spent literal months on my album when I finally finished it. I spent a whole month going through the drum track note by note adjusting each hit so it was just how I wanted it to sound. I reamped my guitars with hundreds of dollars of gear, actually positioned physical microphones and moved real air to get the sound I wanted. The incentive for that effort was solely to produce the product and have something I could share with people. Yeah getting money here and there is nice, but the real motivation was to actually do the thing for its own sake.
And one of the most consistent stories I hear from musicians is that becoming financially dependent on your art places a severe boundary on what kind of art you’re allowed to produce. For example, if you’re a death metal band and you make your money off death metal, you might have to make a couple more albums of death metal even if, in your heart of hearts, you want to make prog rock now, just to put food on the table.
well of course you dont care, your music apparently has no monetary value (which is fine, but why would you care about copyright when your music makes no money?)
Because it makes sampling extremely legally treacherous.
Almost correct. Strictly speaking, people have paid for my music. Also…last time I checked, Bandcamp had a policy where I was only allowed to offer a limited amount of free downloads and then I would have to pay them to offer my work for free. So I think it is behind the minimum paywall right now, which means it has nonzero monetary value. Which makes me a hypocrite. Shock-horror. But more than a hypocrite… I’ve just been too busy to check on my Bandcamp account since I went back to school. If anyone knows of a free and federated alternative to Bandcamp, please let me know.
Music, like all art and information, should be free for anyone to use and consume. Simultaneously, musicians should be compensated for their work, and I provided other ways that musicians are currently compensated for their work (merch and live shows) in the current system. Frankly , these are much more robust ways to make money.
But more accurately, everyone should have access to the resources they need to survive by virtue of being human, regardless of their success in their chosen field. Full stop.
Do you even realize you just disqualified yourself from productive discussion
You assume that was my goal
Copyright didn’t help him since he never made any money off his own work, what discussion is there to have? Why would someone without anything they need to protect, care. Ofc he doesn’t like copyright
what did i just say motherfucker
No monetary value? Check this trick out:
If their music was commercially available, I’d pay double of what the most popular music is sold for on commercial platforms.
Edit: Haha what an ass [email protected] aka. known as r.EndTimes is, didn’t like my comment so they downvoted my two unrelated comments about AI in a different post. Yeah, I can understand why lemm.ee is shutting down with the users being the main reason lol.