On Fediverse Observer they used to show exactly the same number till several days ago. Regardless, look at the post/active user ratio on Lemmy on fedidb. It’s 1200000/72000 or 16.6. For Kbin it’s 44000/45000 or 0.97. It doesn’t make sense the active users of Kbin to be 16 times less active than Lemmy’s. To me that’s evidence that whatever Kbin is reporting as active users is very different than what’s reported by Lemmy. According to these stats Lemmy has about 27x the posts Kbin has. That number is probably correct since it doesn’t depend on what’s considered active. A post is a post. Yet Lemmy has only 1.6x the active users. That doesn’t make sense.
If you use the total numbers for both from here, you get posts per user ratio of about 0.7 for both. That makes a lot more sense.
Amazing to see, as I look further into these platforms such as Lemmy and Mastodon I love them more and more as they seem to be so much more freeing than current mainstream platforms on the market.
At that stage bots and spam accounts are unlikely tho. Maybe in a year it would be worth it. Especially if\when Tumblr or Threads get into that, but I doubt it.
huh? What’s tumblr got to do with this? Is this about Automattic adding the ability to connect up Tumblr accounts to the fediverse? Because you do know that isn’t the same as the Threads situation right?
It’s very probably going to function like how Wordpress and ActivityPub already functions - as a way to let people look at and interact with your blog from a Mastodon or other instance. And if Wordpress is anything to go by it’ll also probably be limited to self hosted/paid accounts rather than something that everyone can have so the bot/spam/ghost account worry is kinda moot
Yeah, I wish posts would straight up not mention the total number of accounts. It’s not something to brag about. A significant number of the difference between active vs total is gonna be bots. Especially since we’re so new. If active is monthly, then active would include almost anyone who has actually used their account.
The active users count is probably inflated for a bit, too, due to people making multiple accounts as they switch instances or try new ones out. e.g., I used a kbin account early on before switching to try Lemmy. I also have a Beehaw account that was actually the very first one I signed up for and gave up on because of the manual approval taking too long, yet I think I may have posted at least one comment cause I used it to try Lemmy first, then switched to an instance that had downvotes and didn’t defederate as many instances. So I’m counted for probably triple. On the long run, I’ll probably end up using just one of these accounts, but that would depend on features. I switched to Lemmy because of the features it had and if kbin gets better, I might switch back.
EDIT: oh, right, and then there’s also porn accounts. The way Lemmy works makes you almost surely want a separate account for the porn instances. It’s easiest to browse those instances by local posts, but that requires you make an account there (it also won’t show NSFW without an account, which is a silly barrier that is just going to hurt adoption). As well, voting is public, so if you want to privately vote on NSFW stuff, you should use a separate account. By comparison, on reddit, as long as you didn’t intend to post or comment, there was no reason to use a separate account for Porn.
Eh, I personally took the route of becoming comfortable with my consumption of pornographic material. Who cares if someone sees, it’s not like your putting identifying info all over your account, right? And the sort of person who’d take the effort to try and use the things I like against me are hardly the sort to have opinions valuable enough to concern myself with.
Admitting to my porn account, I primarily just wanted to browse local on the porn instance and not bother with waiting for someone else on beehaw or slrpnk to subscribe to a porn community
When I used Lemmy before the reddit exodus, it was getting like 12 updoots on the front page. I’ve noticed a hugeee difference, this post getting over 1.2k+ upvotes for example. Content is a lot more exciting. Haven’t touched Reddit in like 3 weeks now.
I’ve been full RSS reader, Mastodon, and Lemmy. It feels good.
I guess by full, I mean like full-on. Like most of the content I relied on Reddit for, I could get from RSS feeds. I play Genshin Impact a lot, so I don’t need to visit that sub anymore now that I have an RSS. Also there’s replacement communities on Lemmy now.
Other then that, software or blogs you like, they usually have an RSS feed and then can group them under like a “Tech Blogs” category for example. It’s something you build up over time, and RSS has been around for a long time so most things support it and there’s a million clients out there.
Fun fact, every Lemmy community has an RSS feed to subscribe to as well, even Mastodon profiles! RSS feeds directly grab from the source, so there’s no centralized anything, so it’s probably the most sustainable method of getting method possible.
But for example, on kbin I am on kbin.social/m/technology. That’s not the same as lemmy.world/c/technology right? When I search for common subs it doesn’t show me the subs from the other.
Never mind. I just found out how to find federated instances on Kbin. It only defaults to local instances and I can’t seem to make it show federated instances by default. It’s a shame because I like its UI more than Lemmy.
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Kbin doesn’t seem to track active users. Their total users are the same as their active users.
It’s not the same for me. Total users: 53342 Monthly active users: 40878
On Fediverse Observer they used to show exactly the same number till several days ago. Regardless, look at the post/active user ratio on Lemmy on fedidb. It’s 1200000/72000 or 16.6. For Kbin it’s 44000/45000 or 0.97. It doesn’t make sense the active users of Kbin to be 16 times less active than Lemmy’s. To me that’s evidence that whatever Kbin is reporting as active users is very different than what’s reported by Lemmy. According to these stats Lemmy has about 27x the posts Kbin has. That number is probably correct since it doesn’t depend on what’s considered active. A post is a post. Yet Lemmy has only 1.6x the active users. That doesn’t make sense.
If you use the total numbers for both from here, you get posts per user ratio of about 0.7 for both. That makes a lot more sense.
reddit asked for it themselves :)
Lemmy, it’s a new Reddit !
I tried to subscribe to kbin communities from my own instance but they keep getting stuck on “Pending”.
This is a known bug in Lemmy. You are subscribed
Ok I’ll resubscribe because I removed them.
Amazing to see, as I look further into these platforms such as Lemmy and Mastodon I love them more and more as they seem to be so much more freeing than current mainstream platforms on the market.
I’m here on lemmy.world but what’s kbin? I didn’t know about whatever that is.
It’s a site that is part of the fediverse, but is not a lemmy instance. It looks different, but it can communicate with all other lemmy instances.
It’s another site in fediverse. It’s a link aggregator like Lemmy is. I’m replying to your comment from kbin :)
Just FYI, some people have two accounts, one on Lemmy and one on Kbin, so some of these numbers may be duplicates.
I have 4 accounts. Most probably have at least 2, one for nsfw
The active user count is much more accurate.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the real number of users was half, or even a third of that.
I have four accounts.
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To my knowledge there’s also no way of identifying bot accounts unless they proactively self identify so these numbers don’t don’t mean much
At that stage bots and spam accounts are unlikely tho. Maybe in a year it would be worth it. Especially if\when Tumblr or Threads get into that, but I doubt it.
There have already been instances found that had thousands of bot accounts, they’ve been defederated but clearly people are gearing up
huh? What’s tumblr got to do with this? Is this about Automattic adding the ability to connect up Tumblr accounts to the fediverse? Because you do know that isn’t the same as the Threads situation right?
It’s very probably going to function like how Wordpress and ActivityPub already functions - as a way to let people look at and interact with your blog from a Mastodon or other instance. And if Wordpress is anything to go by it’ll also probably be limited to self hosted/paid accounts rather than something that everyone can have so the bot/spam/ghost account worry is kinda moot
Monthly Active Users is the stat to track
Yeah, I wish posts would straight up not mention the total number of accounts. It’s not something to brag about. A significant number of the difference between active vs total is gonna be bots. Especially since we’re so new. If active is monthly, then active would include almost anyone who has actually used their account.
The active users count is probably inflated for a bit, too, due to people making multiple accounts as they switch instances or try new ones out. e.g., I used a kbin account early on before switching to try Lemmy. I also have a Beehaw account that was actually the very first one I signed up for and gave up on because of the manual approval taking too long, yet I think I may have posted at least one comment cause I used it to try Lemmy first, then switched to an instance that had downvotes and didn’t defederate as many instances. So I’m counted for probably triple. On the long run, I’ll probably end up using just one of these accounts, but that would depend on features. I switched to Lemmy because of the features it had and if kbin gets better, I might switch back.
EDIT: oh, right, and then there’s also porn accounts. The way Lemmy works makes you almost surely want a separate account for the porn instances. It’s easiest to browse those instances by local posts, but that requires you make an account there (it also won’t show NSFW without an account, which is a silly barrier that is just going to hurt adoption). As well, voting is public, so if you want to privately vote on NSFW stuff, you should use a separate account. By comparison, on reddit, as long as you didn’t intend to post or comment, there was no reason to use a separate account for Porn.
Eh, I personally took the route of becoming comfortable with my consumption of pornographic material. Who cares if someone sees, it’s not like your putting identifying info all over your account, right? And the sort of person who’d take the effort to try and use the things I like against me are hardly the sort to have opinions valuable enough to concern myself with.
Admitting to my porn account, I primarily just wanted to browse
localon the porn instance and not bother with waiting for someone else on beehaw or slrpnk to subscribe to a porn community🐭🤝📂
Fediverse 🤝 Reddit, Twitter and Facebook refugees
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same for the posts and comments.
I love you
Hope it continues and that it’s not all bots and multiple accounts.
So guys we did it, we reached a half of a million subscribers!
Isnt kbin also lemmy? Why the destinction?
No. Kbin is it’s own seperate project and software https://github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin
But I can read and comment on Lemmy threads from kbin
The magic of ActivityPub
I think the problem is people say lemmy when they mean either. My cheat sheet.
Fediverse: a family of applications that are able to communicate with each other and provide various facilities.
Threadiverse: subset of the fediverse, any federated program providing content aggregation / forum facilities.
Lemmy: the main established application in the genre. Providing a primarily content aggregation and forum redditesque experience.
Kbin: newer project providing the news aggregation and forum features but also micro logging that works with mastadon.
Others I don’t know about but do exist.
We keep hitting milestones!
Excellent news
Oop let’s go. Slow and steady!
When I used Lemmy before the reddit exodus, it was getting like 12 updoots on the front page. I’ve noticed a hugeee difference, this post getting over 1.2k+ upvotes for example. Content is a lot more exciting. Haven’t touched Reddit in like 3 weeks now.
I’ve been full RSS reader, Mastodon, and Lemmy. It feels good.
What do you mean by full RSS reader? What exactly are you looking at?
Thanks for your help
I guess by full, I mean like full-on. Like most of the content I relied on Reddit for, I could get from RSS feeds. I play Genshin Impact a lot, so I don’t need to visit that sub anymore now that I have an RSS. Also there’s replacement communities on Lemmy now.
Other then that, software or blogs you like, they usually have an RSS feed and then can group them under like a “Tech Blogs” category for example. It’s something you build up over time, and RSS has been around for a long time so most things support it and there’s a million clients out there.
Fun fact, every Lemmy community has an RSS feed to subscribe to as well, even Mastodon profiles! RSS feeds directly grab from the source, so there’s no centralized anything, so it’s probably the most sustainable method of getting method possible.
I’m curious, how do you use RSS to stay up to date with Genshin content? What kind of feeds do you follow?
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I love that I learn so much on here. Thanks for that explanation!
How many on Lemmy alone ? BTW what’s kbin? Is it like another instance?
Kbin is completely different from Lemmy, in that it is not Lemmy. It’s like a mix of Mastodon and Lemmy.
And are we using/seeing/editing kbin content from our Lemmy instances? Or it’s isolated from us? (Like Reddit)
Yes it’s also federated, so you can access their instances and communities pretty much like the Lemmy ones.
Yes, they are fully interoperable - the power of ActivityPub!
They’re not isolated. They are also part of the Fediverse. I regularly see many people posting and commenting from Kbin on Lemmy instances.
You are reading a post from kbin right now, typed from my phone.
Kbin and Lemmy federate with each other. In fact, I’m talking to you from a kbin instance right now!
But for example, on kbin I am on kbin.social/m/technology. That’s not the same as lemmy.world/c/technology right? When I search for common subs it doesn’t show me the subs from the other.
Never mind. I just found out how to find federated instances on Kbin. It only defaults to local instances and I can’t seem to make it show federated instances by default. It’s a shame because I like its UI more than Lemmy.
Could we run a kbin instance as well, sameway we do with Lemmy?
Yes, there are more than one instance of kbin
This will be weird when different people will start using the same username in different instances.
Same thing as email addresses, the domain name is part of the username or community name
But kbin and lemmy can federate with each other (that sounds strange) so it’s not a competition.