Hi all!
I used to be a daily r/selfhosted lurker and a bit active user.
Since the Reddit saga I thought that r/selfhosted would be one of the first and bigger community to move to Lemmy due to the IT knowledge of all of their users and the sensitivity about self host/privacy/open source, but I see that not only the community is still all there, but it’s rising. :(
That really makes me sad.
How can we convince the mods there to move people here?
Is it allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit or do we risk of being banned?
The issue is I’m keen on following the self-hosting / server specific content but generally I’ve got nothing exciting to add. I can offer upvotes and kbin boosts 🚀
this chart (from your link) shows that the change has stifled the activity a bit. maybe a 10-20% drop in new posts per day. which is not insignificant. so maybe subscribers are rising, but the number of posts has dropped and plateaued (so far).
But i dont think it will ever go away, it was also my go-to place for a long time. Hopefully more of the posters and commenters head here!
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
That’s also because a lot of mods used the API to detect bots and other malicious users. These tools were removed so even if the mods didn’t leave, they are now significantly less effective.
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
Same, the big 3 communities I host here I made very open posts, not pleading or encouraging people to move even, just “hey, we exist over here if you are curious”. All immediately removed, the mods were having none of that
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.
I agree with all the comments so far but would like to add my own thoughts. Users are not important. Personally I moved to lemmy because the quality of discussion on reddit dropped so much.
This has been my trajectory:
avid reddit user and content creator there (not sure if the right term) 2016 - 2018
lurker from 2018 to 2023
completely dropped reddit and moved to lemmy
My hope is that we can have the same kind of content and discussion in pre 2020 reddit
You got it all wrong, everyone is on Threads … Nah, I just subscribed to learn about starting some self hosting. I’m running a local media server, which was easy, but want to branch out to photo backup from my various phones/accounts. Getting nervous that Google will just close my account one day for no reason.
Anyway, don’t fret, the community doesn’t need to be 💯 today, it’ll get there.
I personally believe reddit will live on, that’s just the way its going to be. I dropped off, but my account is still there.
The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
I still like individual forums and use them on occasion. For me, the reason why Reddit was better is because of the UI. The default phpBB skin is awful for following a dialog in my opinion; Reddit’s much more compact threads free of annoying signature blocks and giant user profile panels is much nicer. Personally I’d be perfectly happy to go back to the days of individual forum accounts if the forums had nice UIs like Reddit or Lemmy. Even Flarum is an example of a traditional forum software with a decent UI. The big missing thing though is threaded conversation which I much prefer over a flat forum, something that Lemmy offers.
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
So…I own a .com domain that’s really, really good as far as being lemmy-related (it has lemmy in the name).
Not exactly a s self-hosted question, and I’m an old geek so I can arrange hosting and set things up myself when I have time, but anyone have a guess as to my traffic costs if I decide to turn it into a federated lemmy instance and open it up to the public? Just looking for thoughts and opinions.
Only one way to find out. ;) You can always limit signups if you get overwhelmed. Get yourself one of those DMCA protection licenses too, they’re very cheap afaik.
https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca I am not sure how it all works. However, there is some registration you can sign up for to help comply with: “The “safe harbor” provisions (section 512) protect service providers who meet certain conditions from monetary damages for the infringing activities of their users and other third parties on the net.” You will have to read about it further, but I saw it mentioned when others were discussing setting up an instance. There is a very good Matrix chat where you can get a lot of help too with set up, etc. There’s also a few communities for hosting lemmy, such as [email protected]
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The per-user traffic costs appear to be low enough that it seems likely you’d be able to sustain the instance on donations, even with a low percentage of altruistic users.
I’m one of them! I didn’t even know about r/selfhosted when I was on Reddit but I found this place when I joined kbin. I’ve been thinking on-and-off over the last year about self hosting so subscribed. I still occasionally look at Reddit in view-only mode though (largely for legacy content) so I also subscribed to r/selfhosted over there too last time I checked it.
It’s not subscriber numbers that matter though, it’s active users and quality new posts - people who go to the sub regularly, upvote, comment, and create content that causes other people in turn to look at the sub. I’m still a subscriber to a tonne of Reddit subs that I used to post and comment regularly on, and now don’t. If every active Reddit user became a passive user then Reddit would grind to a halt overnight, regardless of how many users they notionally have.
There’s a lot of subs like these which I don’t want to name. Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit. I’m happy for the subs who are still dark even until now (and even more reason to be now that Reddit is deleting older DMs and removing awards/coins).
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
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The issue is I’m keen on following the self-hosting / server specific content but generally I’ve got nothing exciting to add. I can offer upvotes and kbin boosts 🚀
I like it here on Lemmy as there are quality talks from people and not too much circlejerking same concepts around. I actually like going trough here.
this chart (from your link) shows that the change has stifled the activity a bit. maybe a 10-20% drop in new posts per day. which is not insignificant. so maybe subscribers are rising, but the number of posts has dropped and plateaued (so far).
But i dont think it will ever go away, it was also my go-to place for a long time. Hopefully more of the posters and commenters head here!
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
Neat, where are you pulling these graphs?
Check the link in OP’s post.
Ever since the api shit happend, and mods left their subs unmoderated, I feel like there are more bot accounts/posts on Reddit than ever.
That’s also because a lot of mods used the API to detect bots and other malicious users. These tools were removed so even if the mods didn’t leave, they are now significantly less effective.
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
Some mods are deleting comments/posts promoting lemmy. I made a post in my fav sub about the community in lemmy and the mods deleted it.
Same, the big 3 communities I host here I made very open posts, not pleading or encouraging people to move even, just “hey, we exist over here if you are curious”. All immediately removed, the mods were having none of that
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.
I agree with all the comments so far but would like to add my own thoughts. Users are not important. Personally I moved to lemmy because the quality of discussion on reddit dropped so much.
This has been my trajectory:
My hope is that we can have the same kind of content and discussion in pre 2020 reddit
yeah the comment per day graph is not doing too hot. Subscriber count may be rising but comment count is constantly in the valley.
You got it all wrong, everyone is on Threads … Nah, I just subscribed to learn about starting some self hosting. I’m running a local media server, which was easy, but want to branch out to photo backup from my various phones/accounts. Getting nervous that Google will just close my account one day for no reason. Anyway, don’t fret, the community doesn’t need to be 💯 today, it’ll get there.
I personally believe reddit will live on, that’s just the way its going to be. I dropped off, but my account is still there.
Soon.
The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities. Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
I still like individual forums and use them on occasion. For me, the reason why Reddit was better is because of the UI. The default phpBB skin is awful for following a dialog in my opinion; Reddit’s much more compact threads free of annoying signature blocks and giant user profile panels is much nicer. Personally I’d be perfectly happy to go back to the days of individual forum accounts if the forums had nice UIs like Reddit or Lemmy. Even Flarum is an example of a traditional forum software with a decent UI. The big missing thing though is threaded conversation which I much prefer over a flat forum, something that Lemmy offers.
Lazy users is why Reddit blotted out individual forums.
There is an interesting op-ed adressing the ‘issue’ of ‘lazy users’: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
Really mobile apps need to make multi-account easy, problem solved.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
So…I own a .com domain that’s really, really good as far as being lemmy-related (it has lemmy in the name).
Not exactly a s self-hosted question, and I’m an old geek so I can arrange hosting and set things up myself when I have time, but anyone have a guess as to my traffic costs if I decide to turn it into a federated lemmy instance and open it up to the public? Just looking for thoughts and opinions.
Only one way to find out. ;) You can always limit signups if you get overwhelmed. Get yourself one of those DMCA protection licenses too, they’re very cheap afaik.
Could you expand on the DMCA protection you mentioned?
https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca I am not sure how it all works. However, there is some registration you can sign up for to help comply with: “The “safe harbor” provisions (section 512) protect service providers who meet certain conditions from monetary damages for the infringing activities of their users and other third parties on the net.” You will have to read about it further, but I saw it mentioned when others were discussing setting up an instance. There is a very good Matrix chat where you can get a lot of help too with set up, etc. There’s also a few communities for hosting lemmy, such as [email protected]
If I’m not mistaken this is only applicable for USA.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The per-user traffic costs appear to be low enough that it seems likely you’d be able to sustain the instance on donations, even with a low percentage of altruistic users.
You could also try asking @Ruud.
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I’m one of them! I didn’t even know about r/selfhosted when I was on Reddit but I found this place when I joined kbin. I’ve been thinking on-and-off over the last year about self hosting so subscribed. I still occasionally look at Reddit in view-only mode though (largely for legacy content) so I also subscribed to r/selfhosted over there too last time I checked it.
It’s not subscriber numbers that matter though, it’s active users and quality new posts - people who go to the sub regularly, upvote, comment, and create content that causes other people in turn to look at the sub. I’m still a subscriber to a tonne of Reddit subs that I used to post and comment regularly on, and now don’t. If every active Reddit user became a passive user then Reddit would grind to a halt overnight, regardless of how many users they notionally have.
My favorite r/selfhosted comment.
Same with r/antiwork they closed briefly and when Reddit sneezed their way, they opened the sub instantly. Talking about hypocrisy.
I guess moving to lemmy was too much work.
There’s a lot of subs like these which I don’t want to name. Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit. I’m happy for the subs who are still dark even until now (and even more reason to be now that Reddit is deleting older DMs and removing awards/coins).
Why not name them? Personally, I’m most disappointed in r/cyberpunk. They kind of proved they are all about neon lights.
Every movement, subculture, whatever is just about fashion for 98% of the people involved. Fashion is easy. Values are hard.
It’s the old, stay in bed with the devil instead of sleeping in the cold.
See also: Discord
Well, imho, at least half of r/antiwork posts were escapist fiction of how one should have replied to their manager.
Everyone there probably decided not to self-host because they can’t hide it behind their VPN lol
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