Names blurred to protect the innocent / crazy. Not trying to call anyone out, just thought the response was hilarious and highly disproportionate. Like, they distinguished that comment (green border/background).
For reference, the comment I presume that was downvoted that apparently triggered that response was to the tune of “BoTH SiDEz!!!” with some hyper generalizing / stereotyping on the side.
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I am of the firm belief after much deliberation and consideration that it actually is awesome that downvotes are public and it makes for a much more responsible voting environment overall. To suffer the problems of bots and agitators is not preferable to this small but meaningful way of encouraging highlighting the opinions of actual human beings more democratically
Obviously, we should try to move from the up/down system to a more granular one, but for now it seems fair to call out people who abuse the system by systematically downvoting content they disagree with.
If you don’t like a community, just block it and move on. If a comment or post breaks the rules, report it.
When you wrestle a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Some people aren’t worth arguing with. Down voting because a comment adds nothing to the discussion also often gets mistaken for down voting because you disagree, especially if the person being down voted is a troll just looking for ANY response to feed their need to fight.
Really, how dare we downvote someone on their own server? It’s silencing and undemocratic and they have no real arguments and are all American puppets anyway.
This user and those who agree with them are the only reasonable people. In fact, agreeing with them is the only way to be reasonable. \s
Talk about reddit brained. Why do downvotes matter to so many people? There is no karma count except for individual comments. You don’t know what someone downvotes for so why get worked up over it?
The instance can also disable downvotes. It won’t block a remote instance from downvoting, but those downvotes won’t be federated and will only be seen for users of the instance where the downvote happened.
If you don’t like downvotes (like me!) join an instance with disabled downvotes. Simple solution. I don’t know why OOP hasn’t disabled downvotes on their instance.
Yes obvs everyone else who has downvotes implemented can see them. But if you personally don’t like how downvotes are being used, then your experience will be devoid of them. Which is a great personalisation feature.
Wait really, it shows downvotes as upvotes? I believe that is wrong. It just doesn’t show downvotes.
I’ve seen heavily downvoted comments show up with like +3 scores or something, while on lemmy.world they show up as -54. And if you check on web it will show 57 down 3 up.
You can search for the text if you want (which should find it for you), but I’m not here to out anyone. I just thought the crazy-ass response was hilarious and worthy of a post here.
I just thought the crazy-ass response was hilarious and worthy of a post here.
Not sure their reaction deserves such derogatory terms.
I post in a few non-English communities. There was a time when posts would instantly get downvoted, most probably because people didn’t speak the language and did not know how to configure it in their settings. As a consequence, the content would usually get buried, when not completely vanish from the feeds (there was a bug at the time that wouldn’t show any post with 0 votes)
I can imagine what it would feel like if I were to have “controversial” stances, and where people would systematically downvote by content. That’s borderline harassment, and can frustrate quite fast.
As I said in another comment: if you don’t like a community, block it and move on. As long as content is not illegal or breaks any regulations, just let the people be. What is the point of purposely go to a community you have nothing to do with just to downvote stuff?
I can understand the reaction of the OP here.
On top of that, as Lemmy is so small that they got instantly identified, that makes things even worse.
:sigh: So i’ll just put all the cards on the table here.
I was subscribed to the community, so it wasn’t a drive-by downvote.
I’m pretty positive (99.9999999% sure) language barrier was not the issue. What was stated in the comment was very clear, ignorant, and broadly stereotyping (not to mention offensive).
I didn’t even downvote the post. I downvoted the ignorant, broadly stereotyping, offensive comment by the OOP.
I didn’t even reply to the offensive comment because I don’t have time, energy, or enough fucks to give for such an ignorant take.
OOP decides to put anyone who downvoted them on blast.
OOP of that (which I am still tactful enough to keep anonymous), has DM’d me twice and insulted me.
OOP deletes the whole post and pops in here to play the victim. But that’s on me for letting them get away with that. I was trying to be tactful and not call anyone out when I should have taken screenshots of the whole thing.
The real Fedidrama was the drama we made along the way 😂
The problem with this euphemism treadmill is that we do need to interact with people for whom this label is a useful warning. People tried pushing “wild” as if that’s not the same damn issue. In ten years it’d go ‘how dare you use dehumanizing animalistic terms, just because that person escalates every negative interaction into a vicious counter-attack.’ Even dry terms like “unreasonable” see performative scoffing in rebuke.
British journalists aren’t allowed to say “drunk,” but still need to describe when a politician stumbles out of a pub and picks a fight with a trashcan. On forums like this, identifying someone as a troll can be treated like a slur, even though trolling is against the same rules, using the same word. Sometimes the only problems solved by changing how we talk about stuff are the problems caused by how we talk about stuff. If we’re bluntly describing something that already exists - it doesn’t just go away.
Some people have brain problems. That’s real. Occasionally, we all have to deal with that. Shorthand for the typical behaviors associated with common forms will emerge no matter which words we taboo.
These labels aren’t even rooted in medical terminology - nobody’s ever been diagnosed with “nuts” or given a prescription for “crazed.” These started as analogy-based insults for the behavior of neurotypical assholes, and were later applied to people with brain problems. Crazy is already the polite alternative. Calling someone shitty for their shitty behavior might be essentialist, but it’s not ableist. It’s about their shitty behavior. Even when someone can’t help it, they’re still doing it. Managing the consequences is a lot easier if someone warns you it’s gonna happen.
Maybe they downvote without commenting because they get banned when they comment?
Idk the instance, but it’s pretty funny calling down voting undemocratic when it’s the only means of voting on comments and you effective rigged that election lol
I agree. I didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to enforce their own rules. I just said their justification of those rules was stupid. They’re allowed to be stupid, it’s their instance
I’d love to know, as this individual’s instance is one I’d love to block, I don’t want to run into them in the wilds of Lemmy if it could be helped. They’ve got to have a lot of weird takes that I simply don’t want to see.
That function is for wildly inappropriate or illegal content, not a random community you are not the target group of. Block communities you dont care for yourself, or even the whole instance. That way you can still interact with their users / read posts and comments outside the instance.
That’s… what I’ve been saying lol. That the vegans aren’t happy how the outsiders are acting in their instance. So to stop outsides from coming there they could defederate.
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I am of the firm belief after much deliberation and consideration that it actually is awesome that downvotes are public and it makes for a much more responsible voting environment overall. To suffer the problems of bots and agitators is not preferable to this small but meaningful way of encouraging highlighting the opinions of actual human beings more democratically
I’m in that minority too.
Votes impact visibility of content.
Obviously, we should try to move from the up/down system to a more granular one, but for now it seems fair to call out people who abuse the system by systematically downvoting content they disagree with.
If you don’t like a community, just block it and move on. If a comment or post breaks the rules, report it.
When you wrestle a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Some people aren’t worth arguing with. Down voting because a comment adds nothing to the discussion also often gets mistaken for down voting because you disagree, especially if the person being down voted is a troll just looking for ANY response to feed their need to fight.
Agree, but then just ignore their posts?
Good times were had by all.
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I had a hand in the conversation in the screenshot, so I’m guessing they are salty.
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Yeah, I blocked and moved on.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
Really, how dare we downvote someone on their own server? It’s silencing and undemocratic and they have no real arguments and are all American puppets anyway.
This user and those who agree with them are the only reasonable people. In fact, agreeing with them is the only way to be reasonable. \s
Talk about reddit brained. Why do downvotes matter to so many people? There is no karma count except for individual comments. You don’t know what someone downvotes for so why get worked up over it?
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I had similar experiences in the past, I get you.
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If you want it to be for vegans only then you should defederate tbh
The instance can also disable downvotes. It won’t block a remote instance from downvoting, but those downvotes won’t be federated and will only be seen for users of the instance where the downvote happened.
Now that is an interesting idea. A timeline that ranks only by local votes
Yeah, with that, you’d be able to control who can vote on the posts your users see. Very useful for a totalitarian admin.
If you don’t like downvotes (like me!) join an instance with disabled downvotes. Simple solution. I don’t know why OOP hasn’t disabled downvotes on their instance.
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What do you mean?
It still shows upvotes.
Yes obvs everyone else who has downvotes implemented can see them. But if you personally don’t like how downvotes are being used, then your experience will be devoid of them. Which is a great personalisation feature.
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Wait really, it shows downvotes as upvotes? I believe that is wrong. It just doesn’t show downvotes.
I’ve seen heavily downvoted comments show up with like +3 scores or something, while on lemmy.world they show up as -54. And if you check on web it will show 57 down 3 up.
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If someone indicates they dislike a narcissist’s content it shatters their ego.
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So we’re making fun of clearly neurodivergent people now, I didn’t know Lemmy was kiwifarms.
ITT:
“Downvotes are spam! (12)”
“I think it’s a little more nuanced than that (-7)”
Does your post have anything to do with this: https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/353815
Which instance? Just want to know so I can avoid it.
You can search for the text if you want (which should find it for you), but I’m not here to out anyone. I just thought the crazy-ass response was hilarious and worthy of a post here.
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I’m with you on this one, sorry for what happened, seems very harsh indeed.
Not sure their reaction deserves such derogatory terms.
I post in a few non-English communities. There was a time when posts would instantly get downvoted, most probably because people didn’t speak the language and did not know how to configure it in their settings. As a consequence, the content would usually get buried, when not completely vanish from the feeds (there was a bug at the time that wouldn’t show any post with 0 votes)
I can imagine what it would feel like if I were to have “controversial” stances, and where people would systematically downvote by content. That’s borderline harassment, and can frustrate quite fast.
As I said in another comment: if you don’t like a community, block it and move on. As long as content is not illegal or breaks any regulations, just let the people be. What is the point of purposely go to a community you have nothing to do with just to downvote stuff?
I can understand the reaction of the OP here.
On top of that, as Lemmy is so small that they got instantly identified, that makes things even worse.
:sigh: So i’ll just put all the cards on the table here.
I was subscribed to the community, so it wasn’t a drive-by downvote.
I’m pretty positive (99.9999999% sure) language barrier was not the issue. What was stated in the comment was very clear, ignorant, and broadly stereotyping (not to mention offensive).
I didn’t even downvote the post. I downvoted the ignorant, broadly stereotyping, offensive comment by the OOP.
I didn’t even reply to the offensive comment because I don’t have time, energy, or enough fucks to give for such an ignorant take.
OOP decides to put anyone who downvoted them on blast.
OOP of that (which I am still tactful enough to keep anonymous), has DM’d me twice and insulted me.
OOP deletes the whole post and pops in here to play the victim. But that’s on me for letting them get away with that. I was trying to be tactful and not call anyone out when I should have taken screenshots of the whole thing.
The real Fedidrama was the drama we made along the way 😂
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Thank you for your comment.
I would just suggest refraining from using words such as “crazy” or “crazy-ass”.
The admin could be power tripping, but their actions would speak for themselves, no need to add this kind of terms.
The problem with this euphemism treadmill is that we do need to interact with people for whom this label is a useful warning. People tried pushing “wild” as if that’s not the same damn issue. In ten years it’d go ‘how dare you use dehumanizing animalistic terms, just because that person escalates every negative interaction into a vicious counter-attack.’ Even dry terms like “unreasonable” see performative scoffing in rebuke.
British journalists aren’t allowed to say “drunk,” but still need to describe when a politician stumbles out of a pub and picks a fight with a trashcan. On forums like this, identifying someone as a troll can be treated like a slur, even though trolling is against the same rules, using the same word. Sometimes the only problems solved by changing how we talk about stuff are the problems caused by how we talk about stuff. If we’re bluntly describing something that already exists - it doesn’t just go away.
Some people have brain problems. That’s real. Occasionally, we all have to deal with that. Shorthand for the typical behaviors associated with common forms will emerge no matter which words we taboo.
These labels aren’t even rooted in medical terminology - nobody’s ever been diagnosed with “nuts” or given a prescription for “crazed.” These started as analogy-based insults for the behavior of neurotypical assholes, and were later applied to people with brain problems. Crazy is already the polite alternative. Calling someone shitty for their shitty behavior might be essentialist, but it’s not ableist. It’s about their shitty behavior. Even when someone can’t help it, they’re still doing it. Managing the consequences is a lot easier if someone warns you it’s gonna happen.
How do you search text across instances
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No need to block, I know exactly who that is.
Maybe they downvote without commenting because they get banned when they comment?
Idk the instance, but it’s pretty funny calling down voting undemocratic when it’s the only means of voting on comments and you effective rigged that election lol
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I agree. I didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to enforce their own rules. I just said their justification of those rules was stupid. They’re allowed to be stupid, it’s their instance
I’d love to know, as this individual’s instance is one I’d love to block, I don’t want to run into them in the wilds of Lemmy if it could be helped. They’ve got to have a lot of weird takes that I simply don’t want to see.
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A hypocritical coward.
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If they don’t like it they should defederate. Make it into a proper hugbox
Stop asking for defederations people.
That function is for wildly inappropriate or illegal content, not a random community you are not the target group of. Block communities you dont care for yourself, or even the whole instance. That way you can still interact with their users / read posts and comments outside the instance.
The fediverse should not be fractured needlessly.
I’m saying if the instance doesn’t want outsiders coming in then that instance should remove itself from others
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I mean clearly they are unhappy with how they act so defederating just makes sense to me
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That’s… what I’ve been saying lol. That the vegans aren’t happy how the outsiders are acting in their instance. So to stop outsides from coming there they could defederate.
This is unprofessional admin behaviour. No one is crazy, it’s ableist to claim anyone is such.
Just got banned for calling out a troll