Lemmy.ml grew too large during the early days of June. They started to recommend people to NOT sign up for lemmy.ml and find another instance. The next instance that stood out was beehaw which rejected signups if they didn’t like your answer as to why you wanted to join. After that, lemmy.world stood out the most.
I think most of it has to do with that lemmy.world has better hardware than other instances. The admin Rudd has a lot of experience running federated services as well. So it may be his first rodeo lemmy-wise but not hosting a federated service with a large user-base.
So when a lot of smaller instances started getting overwhelmed and stopping signups, lemmy.world was going strong without the performance issues that other instances might see.
That along with the fact that NSFW content is allowed makes lemmy.world a good alternative for Reddit refugees looking for something stable with a similar set of rules as well.
I myself joined lemmy.ml at first, then beehaw.org when lemmy.ml asked everyone to spread out, and finally found home on lemmy.world because I didn’t really like how downvotes are disabled on beehaw. Not to mention the defederation that beehaw has done recently. Although I can understand and appreciate why they’ve done that.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.
The real answer here in the comments. Glad I went with world. Though I only did it because it seemed like more people would gravitate toward thag name than the others.
When I was joining ~a month ago the situation was very different
I tried lemmy.one - had some issues joining
I saw beehaw.org - no downvotes - not my jam
I saw lemmygrad.ml - too political for my tastes
I saw sopuli.xyz - most of local posts and server maintenance posts were in language I don’t speak - maybe I can find something fitting me more?
I saw lemmy.world - small but not looking like private, in Europe, so pings should be ok and description seemed fine
I also saw lemmy.ml - seemed like the main instance with the most users - having some understanding of federation from Mastodon migration I decided to spread the load…
Exactly this. I tried numerous times on lemmy.ml and never got an email back for the verification, so I just gave up. World is the next logical choice. Since beehaw is already defederating, if you’re coming to the fediverse, joining an instance that’s already isolating itself, even if it has good reasons, doesn’t seem appealing. So lemmy.world it is. Tho here I am using my kbin mostly because then I have kbin, mastodon, and Lemmy integration all in one.
I see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven’t seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
I see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven’t seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
The modlogs show that the moderators there are doing their job. If folks wanna continue uncritically regurgitating NATO propaganda and McCarthyism, they can do it elsewhere. Though I will admit, the irony of thousands of people fleeing a capitalist sinking ship, to a ship built and run by communists, only to then complain about all the communists, is funny.
I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn’t hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.
Wow, thanks for that, I really thought .ml was Malaysia. While I had some mild concerns about Malaysia, isn’t Mali a shit show as far as human rights? If the servers are in France, that mitigates a lot, but I think I have more concerns about Mali.
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.
Beehaw seems to have already developed a plan to put everyone they do not like into predefined boxes so they can call those boxes bad and exclude them. Today they were discussing banning “pedantic” users - people asking questions in bad faith, in their opinion. This kind of subjective moderation is what is wrong with reddit. Beehaw is not even federated, last time I checked. You have to fill out a literal application to join. This is not new-user friendly. So that’s how I ended up here.
Have people not learned anything from their reddit experience? Beehaw is extremely massive fed flags. Its literally the same exact toxic behavior that the uber mods that hoarded subreddits and got off from power would have.
Its not a good look and im shocked people support it…
Lemmy.world allows creating communities, where as lemmy.ml doesn’t. For me that was a big reason why I moved from lemmy.ml to lemmy.world. (I made this account after beehaw defederated lemmy.world. I would have made this my default account, but sadly there still seems to be some communication issues between instances. I have some communities on lemmy.world, but I don’t see the content sync properly here.)
From what I recall (from all of 8 days ago) Beehaw said it was because lemmy.world allowed unrestricted signups and therefore was at risk from bots or (i guess) unsavory people, while Beehaw was trying to have a curated membership to be ‘safe’.
Their stated reason being that currently they don’t feel like they have the moderation tools to remove rule breaking content should a bunch of bots and spammers flood in
I feel like that’s reasonable. Lemmy is still in very active development, and still building up a lot of features. Also, their defederation isn’t meant to be permanent either
It seems somewhat lame or maybe insulting, but on the other hand not every site has to have the same philosophy. Lemmy is essentially forum software and instances don’t have to be federated with any others if they don’t want to be. If someone wanted they could start their own standalone site for Washington Park Roller Skating Club or whatever they want and that would be a fine use of the software.
I wouldn’t call them douchey. It’s not like they’re causing damage to anybody else and there’s nothing wrong with using their own lemmy instance as a local bbs.
That said, I decided not to join them when I saw I would have to go through a sort of interview process explaining how I would contribute to them. They also have a long winded text to say the rules will be applied arbitrarily.
When Lemmy.ml was still on top I initially tried to sign up and was unable to. They could not handle the influx when the first migration occurred during the blackout days.
Probably because its name sounds official and it allows quick registration while others need approval (some never approves you).
Turns out it’s the right choice as the admin seems very active in updates and fixes. Lemmy.world also has a more chill homey vibes. At least that’s what I observed so far.
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For me, all lemmy.world communities I subscribed was totally blocked on my beehaw.org account, so I create another account on lemmy.world.
Lemmy.ml grew too large during the early days of June. They started to recommend people to NOT sign up for lemmy.ml and find another instance. The next instance that stood out was beehaw which rejected signups if they didn’t like your answer as to why you wanted to join. After that, lemmy.world stood out the most.
Also because the political leanings of the lemmy.ml mods offended a lot of former redditors, including myself.
And why exactly did it do that? Their political stance has no part in the development or the management of the instance.
They delete any criticism of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.
The lemmy devs are hardcore communists
Beehaw defederates like it’s going out of style, Lemmy.ml doesn’t allow criticism of the CCP. Lemmy.world seems much more stable and neutral.
Alright guys the software has this defederate feature, now you do you but I suggest thinking of it like a break-glass-in-ca–
<Beehaw swings hammer>
I think most of it has to do with that lemmy.world has better hardware than other instances. The admin Rudd has a lot of experience running federated services as well. So it may be his first rodeo lemmy-wise but not hosting a federated service with a large user-base.
So when a lot of smaller instances started getting overwhelmed and stopping signups, lemmy.world was going strong without the performance issues that other instances might see.
That along with the fact that NSFW content is allowed makes lemmy.world a good alternative for Reddit refugees looking for something stable with a similar set of rules as well.
I myself joined lemmy.ml at first, then beehaw.org when lemmy.ml asked everyone to spread out, and finally found home on lemmy.world because I didn’t really like how downvotes are disabled on beehaw. Not to mention the defederation that beehaw has done recently. Although I can understand and appreciate why they’ve done that.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.
And ml is?
the national tld for Mali, but the lemmy ml owners chose it for a “Marxist-Leninist” reference. no kidding.
fun fact - they* also deny genocides committed by (even nominally) communist regimes.
*a lot of them, and even those who don’t actively, still stick with the goons who do.
Oh dear, and I thought it was somehow related to machine learning/AI stuff
That’s awesome. I am also a Communist that denies genocides. I guess I better pop on over to lemmy.ml
The real answer here in the comments. Glad I went with world. Though I only did it because it seemed like more people would gravitate toward thag name than the others.
When I was joining ~a month ago the situation was very different
I tried lemmy.one - had some issues joining
I saw beehaw.org - no downvotes - not my jam
I saw lemmygrad.ml - too political for my tastes
I saw sopuli.xyz - most of local posts and server maintenance posts were in language I don’t speak - maybe I can find something fitting me more?
I saw lemmy.world - small but not looking like private, in Europe, so pings should be ok and description seemed fine
I also saw lemmy.ml - seemed like the main instance with the most users - having some understanding of federation from Mastodon migration I decided to spread the load…
And here we are :D
Mainly because signups were closed on Lemmy.ml and they were not on Lemmy.world.
Exactly this. I tried numerous times on lemmy.ml and never got an email back for the verification, so I just gave up. World is the next logical choice. Since beehaw is already defederating, if you’re coming to the fediverse, joining an instance that’s already isolating itself, even if it has good reasons, doesn’t seem appealing. So lemmy.world it is. Tho here I am using my kbin mostly because then I have kbin, mastodon, and Lemmy integration all in one.
I see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven’t seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
The modlogs show that the moderators there are doing their job. If folks wanna continue uncritically regurgitating NATO propaganda and McCarthyism, they can do it elsewhere. Though I will admit, the irony of thousands of people fleeing a capitalist sinking ship, to a ship built and run by communists, only to then complain about all the communists, is funny.
Here ya go!
If you don’t use KBin that’s just a login page…
I signed up on the 12th, after spending a little time comparing with the information I had. My thought process was:
Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn’t hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.
I don’t think it stands for either, I saw somewhere that it stands for Marx-Lenin since the founders are communists
Would you feel better if they were communists and chose something completely neutral instead, like .io?
That’s such an arbitrary thing to be concerned about
I’m not implying anything, I’m just stating a fact (or at least what I think is a fact)
Wow, thanks for that, I really thought .ml was Malaysia. While I had some mild concerns about Malaysia, isn’t Mali a shit show as far as human rights? If the servers are in France, that mitigates a lot, but I think I have more concerns about Mali.
As someone signing up for lemmy.world, my reasons were:
Otherwise, I didn’t give much though to which instance to pick.
Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren’t meant to be a general instance.
Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.
It’s also presented as the default on most apps, I believe
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.
They’re not neutral though. They’ve already started defederating instances with users whose opinions they don’t like.
Well I said they advertise, not that they are.
It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.
And the other stuff
Beehaw seems to have already developed a plan to put everyone they do not like into predefined boxes so they can call those boxes bad and exclude them. Today they were discussing banning “pedantic” users - people asking questions in bad faith, in their opinion. This kind of subjective moderation is what is wrong with reddit. Beehaw is not even federated, last time I checked. You have to fill out a literal application to join. This is not new-user friendly. So that’s how I ended up here.
Does any of that make you think it’s SUPPOSED to be new user friendly?
They don’t have to be. They also don’t have to be federated.
Have people not learned anything from their reddit experience? Beehaw is extremely massive fed flags. Its literally the same exact toxic behavior that the uber mods that hoarded subreddits and got off from power would have.
Its not a good look and im shocked people support it…
Imagine getting tribalistic over a site which can have infinite clones and everyone can get the experience(s) they want.
The existence of Beehaw has no material impact on you whatsoever.
Lemmy.world allows creating communities, where as lemmy.ml doesn’t. For me that was a big reason why I moved from lemmy.ml to lemmy.world. (I made this account after beehaw defederated lemmy.world. I would have made this my default account, but sadly there still seems to be some communication issues between instances. I have some communities on lemmy.world, but I don’t see the content sync properly here.)
Beehaw unlinked from Lemmy.world? Yeah will have to go smoke my beehaw account then if I can.
From what I recall (from all of 8 days ago) Beehaw said it was because lemmy.world allowed unrestricted signups and therefore was at risk from bots or (i guess) unsavory people, while Beehaw was trying to have a curated membership to be ‘safe’.
Beehaw seems douchey. Unrestricted sign ups? Like what is this an elite club?
Their stated reason being that currently they don’t feel like they have the moderation tools to remove rule breaking content should a bunch of bots and spammers flood in
I feel like that’s reasonable. Lemmy is still in very active development, and still building up a lot of features. Also, their defederation isn’t meant to be permanent either
It seems somewhat lame or maybe insulting, but on the other hand not every site has to have the same philosophy. Lemmy is essentially forum software and instances don’t have to be federated with any others if they don’t want to be. If someone wanted they could start their own standalone site for Washington Park Roller Skating Club or whatever they want and that would be a fine use of the software.
I wouldn’t call them douchey. It’s not like they’re causing damage to anybody else and there’s nothing wrong with using their own lemmy instance as a local bbs.
That said, I decided not to join them when I saw I would have to go through a sort of interview process explaining how I would contribute to them. They also have a long winded text to say the rules will be applied arbitrarily.
When Lemmy.ml was still on top I initially tried to sign up and was unable to. They could not handle the influx when the first migration occurred during the blackout days.
Lemmy.world on the other hand worked just fine.
As a refugee, I feel like learning more about lemmy lore.
I think they mean the reddit blackout, so its shared history.
Probably because its name sounds official and it allows quick registration while others need approval (some never approves you).
Turns out it’s the right choice as the admin seems very active in updates and fixes. Lemmy.world also has a more chill homey vibes. At least that’s what I observed so far.