Just Spotify, they haven’t ruined their service yet. I will never be one of those boomers who manually download all their mp3s and think normal people want to transfer files around between devices.
Not all boomers who manually download mp3s transfer them around. I’m one of those “boomers” (I’m in my 30s) that download their mp3s because I like to own my stuff. I then stream it to my devices using a selfhosted media server without transferring anything.
Yeah, (wild estimation) 0.5% of boomers worked in various fields of computer science and were absolutely brilliant with what they accomplished. They built the foundations of everything that we used today, and enabled us to work at levels of abstraction that make our lives way easier.
But still, the average boomer needs to call their grandkids over to switch their TV from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2. I’m being a little bit hyperbolic, but the boomers who didn’t work in tech spent most of their adult lives with virtually no exposure to the computing metaphors that younger generations understand implicitly.
The difference between them and younger generations is that the average millennial grew up using computers, and so the average millennial had vastly better computer literacy.
“piracy is a service issue” - if a product doesn’t cost much and saves you time/effort then it can be worth paying a little versus essentially paying yourself less than minimum wage if it’s hard to pirate (depends how valuable your time is though!)
Never pay for an inferior experience, but for £2.50 a month the experience of using Spotify instead of having to manually find, download, synchronise, and manage a music library is worth it for me.
Not being able to listen to everything I want makes it inferior. I’m also fundamentally against paying money for things that don’t actually pass that money on to the people who deserve it (in this case, the artists). If I spend money on music I just buy the album directly from the artist.
None. It’s stupid to have to pay monthly for access to someone else’s content collection when I used to be able to buy content for life and build my own collection, so now I either stream things for free on unofficial sites or download them via unofficial sources. I’ll still buy CDs and DVDs occasionally but streaming is bullshit and I’m not playing along.
Most of my media consumption is gaming. I’ll happily pay for games, but not for subscription based games, cloud based games, or game library subscriptions like Gamepass. I want to keep what I buy. This “you will own nothing and be happy” future is a dreadful one.
Besides promoting Joe Rogan during the height of the pandemic when he was on a real stream of misinformation about COVID? Yeah it’s mostly how they treat artists they’re just like YouTube (and Tidal for that matter) where they claim to care about artists but there’s no way anyone but the top 1% is actually making living wage money from streaming. I just use Tidal cause pirating music took up too much storage for me and it makes music discovery a little more convenient.
True, but if some people don’t pirate just for free stuff, they do because the paid alternatives are either non existent or of poor quality.
Spotify gives you a really huge library of music to stream with easy to use good quality apps across pretty much everything all without the need of juggling dozens of other subscriptions and jumping through hoops for regional access etc
I’m surprised at how many people are paying for YouTube premium. Just patch the YouTube app with revanced and you get better than YouTube premium for free
Honestly, Spotify is probably at the top of my “pirate if possible” list. I’ve been a guest performer on a couple of tracks and seen some backend stuff, and let me tell you, the only people you’re depriving of income are the ones who are already wealthy giants. Spotify robs the rest of them blind already.
You wanna know what 50k listens to a song totals out to for someone who isn’t a huge name? $50.
Alright but Spotify is one of the very few subscriptions that are actually easier than pirating. As long as you have a family plan, it is great value for money.
I don’t know of a good way to support artists outside of direct transactions.
Spotify. It is the only subscription I have aside from my VPN, and mostly because their library is MASSIVE.
With how much I drive I’m constantly listening to the damn thing and being able to pick a genre and let it shuffle without thinking about it is 1000% worth the ten bucks a month to not be constantly picking songs, downloading them, sorting and transferring the library to my phone, maintaining storage space, etc…
Sure. I could. But you misunderstand my point. As Gaben said, piracy is a service problem, not a cost problem. Spotify’s service is clean and very nice to use, add on the available library and it makes it very worth my time to pay for and support it.
Hell yeah. I’ll pay a reasonable price for a service with lots of stuff on it if it’s reliable and has a great UI. I’ve considered Spotify, even though I have my beautiful flac collection. It’d be nice not to have to worry about converting them to my phone so I can listen in my car.
Just Spotify at the moment. I might look into trying to stream from Netflix without streaming from Netflix sometime while using friends’ passwords for other places. Once my currently roommate but soon to not be roommate (moving back in with parents soon) doesn’t renew their Dropout subscription, I’d be willing to sign up for that only because I am willing to support the people over at CollegeHumor.
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I’m currently using Proton Suite.
Proton pass (password manager) was just released and doesn’t work for me for whatever reason but everything else is top notch 👌🏼
Would highly recommend
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Spotify (great service and easily worth it) & Amazon Prime (but that’s really an extra bonus on top of the same day and next day free delivery?
Just Spotify, they haven’t ruined their service yet. I will never be one of those boomers who manually download all their mp3s and think normal people want to transfer files around between devices.
Not all boomers who manually download mp3s transfer them around. I’m one of those “boomers” (I’m in my 30s) that download their mp3s because I like to own my stuff. I then stream it to my devices using a selfhosted media server without transferring anything.
Yeah that sounds like a very painful experience
I take it as a personal insult, and wish you to step barefoot on a Lego!
I don’t think the average baby boomer knows how to download an mp3 or play it on a smartphone.
who do you think are the people filled in IRC chatrooms? anyone under 40?
Gen X: still the forgotten generation.
Yeah, (wild estimation) 0.5% of boomers worked in various fields of computer science and were absolutely brilliant with what they accomplished. They built the foundations of everything that we used today, and enabled us to work at levels of abstraction that make our lives way easier.
But still, the average boomer needs to call their grandkids over to switch their TV from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2. I’m being a little bit hyperbolic, but the boomers who didn’t work in tech spent most of their adult lives with virtually no exposure to the computing metaphors that younger generations understand implicitly.
The difference between them and younger generations is that the average millennial grew up using computers, and so the average millennial had vastly better computer literacy.
Lol so many “pirates” in here
“piracy is a service issue” - if a product doesn’t cost much and saves you time/effort then it can be worth paying a little versus essentially paying yourself less than minimum wage if it’s hard to pirate (depends how valuable your time is though!)
Nothing. Why pay for an inferior experience?
Never pay for an inferior experience, but for £2.50 a month the experience of using Spotify instead of having to manually find, download, synchronise, and manage a music library is worth it for me.
Not being able to listen to everything I want makes it inferior. I’m also fundamentally against paying money for things that don’t actually pass that money on to the people who deserve it (in this case, the artists). If I spend money on music I just buy the album directly from the artist.
Fair enough, it works for me but not for everyone
None. It’s stupid to have to pay monthly for access to someone else’s content collection when I used to be able to buy content for life and build my own collection, so now I either stream things for free on unofficial sites or download them via unofficial sources. I’ll still buy CDs and DVDs occasionally but streaming is bullshit and I’m not playing along.
Most of my media consumption is gaming. I’ll happily pay for games, but not for subscription based games, cloud based games, or game library subscriptions like Gamepass. I want to keep what I buy. This “you will own nothing and be happy” future is a dreadful one.
Tidal. I lowkey hate spotify and I think the audio quality is the same or better, for the same price (I don’t shell out for the highest tier).
Can I ask why you hate Spotify? Is there a problem with their service or is it more about how they treat artists?
Besides promoting Joe Rogan during the height of the pandemic when he was on a real stream of misinformation about COVID? Yeah it’s mostly how they treat artists they’re just like YouTube (and Tidal for that matter) where they claim to care about artists but there’s no way anyone but the top 1% is actually making living wage money from streaming. I just use Tidal cause pirating music took up too much storage for me and it makes music discovery a little more convenient.
Only spotify premium
But even that can be pirated
True, but if some people don’t pirate just for free stuff, they do because the paid alternatives are either non existent or of poor quality.
Spotify gives you a really huge library of music to stream with easy to use good quality apps across pretty much everything all without the need of juggling dozens of other subscriptions and jumping through hoops for regional access etc
Yes thsts good. But like I said you dont have to pay for that. Modded apk.
I stream natural gas, electricity, garbage pickup and internet. That’s all.
I’m surprised at how many people are paying for YouTube premium. Just patch the YouTube app with revanced and you get better than YouTube premium for free
Only helps on mobile, though.
I’m shocked by the amount of people that don’t know of adblockers on desktop.
But then I remember, I have no life.
Ublock origin
Honestly, Spotify is probably at the top of my “pirate if possible” list. I’ve been a guest performer on a couple of tracks and seen some backend stuff, and let me tell you, the only people you’re depriving of income are the ones who are already wealthy giants. Spotify robs the rest of them blind already.
You wanna know what 50k listens to a song totals out to for someone who isn’t a huge name? $50.
Alright but Spotify is one of the very few subscriptions that are actually easier than pirating. As long as you have a family plan, it is great value for money.
I don’t know of a good way to support artists outside of direct transactions.
If you’re a student you pay $5 a month for Spotify, plus you get Hulu with ads, and Shotime.
Spotify only. I get an Amazon Prime voucher for 30 days from another telco whenever I subscribe to a data plan.
Hulu, Peacock both had blackfriday deals. Amazon Prime of course…but for some reason I still have Netflix, gotta ditch that shit.
Amazon Prime of course? That’s the worst one in my opinion
Spotify. It is the only subscription I have aside from my VPN, and mostly because their library is MASSIVE.
With how much I drive I’m constantly listening to the damn thing and being able to pick a genre and let it shuffle without thinking about it is 1000% worth the ten bucks a month to not be constantly picking songs, downloading them, sorting and transferring the library to my phone, maintaining storage space, etc…
Yeah, discovery was one of my main reasons for using it. Getting my own music just sounds like a huge undertaking considering how I listen on a whim.
Use a modded apk?
Sure. I could. But you misunderstand my point. As Gaben said, piracy is a service problem, not a cost problem. Spotify’s service is clean and very nice to use, add on the available library and it makes it very worth my time to pay for and support it.
Hell yeah. I’ll pay a reasonable price for a service with lots of stuff on it if it’s reliable and has a great UI. I’ve considered Spotify, even though I have my beautiful flac collection. It’d be nice not to have to worry about converting them to my phone so I can listen in my car.
Just Spotify at the moment. I might look into trying to stream from Netflix without streaming from Netflix sometime while using friends’ passwords for other places. Once my currently roommate but soon to not be roommate (moving back in with parents soon) doesn’t renew their Dropout subscription, I’d be willing to sign up for that only because I am willing to support the people over at CollegeHumor.
Spotify and Discord Nitro. I’m thinking of using the entire Proton suite in the near future.
I use the whole proton suite and love it so much. If you didn’t know, depending on your subscription you also have access to premium features on SimpleLogin
I’m currently using Proton Suite. Proton pass (password manager) was just released and doesn’t work for me for whatever reason but everything else is top notch 👌🏼 Would highly recommend
For password manager, I swear by Bitwarden. It’s open source, has a self hosted option, and 100% usable for free. They have a very cheap subscription option for some not too vital features (most particularly support for using Bitwarden as your TOTP app and encrypted file sharing).