You said “the insane user insisting that their pronouns were goddess”. That’s not true. Their pronouns are They/Them, not goddess. You called a trans person insane because you didn’t like Their pronouns, which you spread lies about. Nobody would have a problem with you if you just told the truth and followed the community’s rules with regards to civility. That means gendering trans people correctly. You may have a huge enough ego that you think you get to be the arbiter and gatekeeper of which trans people deserve to be shown basic respect, but your ego is wrong. You need to stop thinking of yourself as more important than everyone around you and stop committing acts of violence against people for being different.

It’s not someone insisting that their pronouns are goddess. It’s someone insisting that Their pronouns are capitalised. If transphobes are going to attack random people for existing, they should at least put in the bare minimum effort to be factually correct. Otherwise they deserve to be laughed at and called stupid liars.

Quit making fake nonsense up. That story didn’t happen. And recognising that a fictional character is fictional is not a question of tolerance, it’s a question of basic functional ability required to live in the world.

Oh, there’s a foolproof and simple test. Ask consent.

You’re right, nothing on earth is a herbivore, because everything can eat meat. By the same logic, nothing is a carnivore, because everything, cats included, can eat plants. Therefore, cats are not carnivores. They’re omnivores, as you say.

Horses will also opportunistically eat meat if it’s available. Are horses carnivores?

Which mod is queerphobic? Can I see the evidence?

If you were never a member of the community, then you’ve lost nothing from being banned, and the mod was right to decide that your comment wasn’t a good faith contribution from a member of the community.

It does. You’ve opened the conversation about voting as participation and helped us reach some new ideas on moderation practice. It’s dialectics. As I said in another comment in this thread, I think the existence of posts like this is good even if this ban wasn’t a problem.

Participating in a conversation ain’t homework. And if you don’t want to have a conversation, don’t bother replying.

I wanna add that I like your community, I like how you stood up to that rogue admin, I like when you annoy carnists, I like your ban of OP, and I also like that c/fediverselore has posts like this. This community is a tool for calling out mod decisions, and some of those decisions will be good ones that don’t need calling out. It’s still better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Justified ban imo. You weren’t there to discuss veganism as a vegan, you were there for drama. It’s not spam when they make a lot of posts to their own community. Unless the content is hateful, the correct response is to block.

Users cannot vote in a community that has banned them. If the mod wants to restrict voting only to people who vote in good faith, that’s their prerogative. It’s probably a good idea, it prevents downvote spam from bots and the like. When you have a community that has very different values from /all, maybe kicking the /all people who vote against the sub’s values out is good. Voting is participation.

Cause over the last few weeks, a bunch of debates over moderation drama have been full of people attacking vegans over the cat taurine debate. That drama is over and it reached a consensus resolution between the mods and admins. If they’ve made an executive judgement that the moderation drama is no longer relevant and baits carnists into breaking rule 5, then removing that debate is a valid application of rule 5.

Mod ban for bad reason.

Planning to offend bigots isn’t the same as trolling.

A few weeks ago I had a lovely conversation with Shovel on SLRPNK about playgrounds. There was an image with a LARP arena for the children in it. Shovel was complaining that a LARP arena is too niche and specific, and kids aren’t going to use it. I pointed out that playing swords and castles is a lot of boys’ favourite thing to do at playgrounds. Once the issue was rephrased in familiar terms, Shovel realised they had been wrong, and tons of boys like to LARP. They just don’t call it LARPing. In conclusion, Track_Shovel is left wing, interested in social justice, and willing to admit when they make a mistake. Those are good qualities.

Track Shovel isn’t a troll. Squid was wrong.

Nobody has made a case for why cats are carnivores and pandas aren’t. It’s just that pandas have been eating bamboo for a long time, and these people were all born before synthetic taurine became widespread. It’s refusal to change, they think the world is and always will be the way it was when they were a kid. The world moved on without them and they haven’t noticed yet.

Sorry, that’s my fault. I was in such disbelief at your first comment claiming Obvious_Troll was real, I just had to share it with a friend. She hadn’t heard of the Fediverse before, and when I explained it to her, I used you as an example of a fediverse user to explain the concept of users being from instances, and how administrating an instance works. Well halfway through my explanation, she heard “trans instance” and signed up for your instance. Then I linked this thread, and she realised you’re a power tripping admin who doesn’t read posts before replying to them. She asked me where she should make an account, and since she likes Star Trek, I told her to make one on startrek.website. If she had commented with the first account she made after hearing about the fediverse, the account would have been an hour or so older.

Most people would be glad that your bizarre posts are so confusing they’re bringing more people to the Fediverse as their friends tell them about the weird drama you start. But I guess it’s an issue of ego for you, so you have a good reason to be mad that new users are joining Lemmy because of your antics.

I said the user didn’t exist five times in this post. I just counted all the times I said “fictional”, “fake”, or “made-up”. And then you left a comment saying Obvious_Troll is an aussie zone user, the transphobic troll uses neopronouns, and I’m transphobic for calling them a troll. Multiple people told you that Obvious_Troll doesn’t exist, and your response was that I must be mistaken about Obvious_Troll not existing, because you defederated from Hexbear. What??? Why do you keep insisting this person is real, and why do you keep insisting they’re trans? What quality of this fictional troll telling trans people to kill themselves repeatedly convinces you that they’re a trans person?

EDIT: Sneaky, sneaky. Editing your comment after I replied, so it would look like I didn’t answer your question. If you want me to answer a new question, ask it in a new comment. Don’t go back and change history to make yourself look better.

This post isn’t about the instance the fictional troll is from. I made a post with a transphobic troll in it, and picked a username, instance, and post name that fit with the message. I picked a silly name for an obvious troll, a silly post title for a post about abstaining over Palestine, and a silly instance for the troll to be from. I didn’t really think any deeper about the association than “Troll needs an instance, I’ll pick the one known for having trolls”. And when you asked me to redact the instance, I did, and the post remained up until you deleted the community. I always followed the rules and did as you told me on Blahaj. This post isn’t about the instance redaction, that has always been a non-issue. This post is about you seeing a meme about a fictional transphobic troll and assuming they’re a real, trans, person. Which has now happened twice! Why do you keep assuming every transphobic troll you hear about is trans? It’s weird.

Sure. And I did remove the instance name as requested, and the meme stayed up until the entire community it was posted in was later deleted. This post isn’t about the instance censoring. This post is about the initial decision by Ada that Obvious_Troll must be a real, trans lemmy user, which has now happened twice, because Ada claimed Obvious_Troll is real again.

That’s after I said the name was fake. Ada started out thinking Obvious_Troll was a real person, and only realised they were fake when I said so. Then she changed her request to censoring the instance instead of the person. You need to read the screenshot bottom to top, because Lemmy puts more recent private messages at the top. I know it’s annoying.

The meme was about how transphobia is bad. You asked me to censor Obvious_Troll’s name because I was framing Obvious_Troll’s transphobic opinion as bad. You decided the fictional transphobic troll is actually a real trans person I was attacking, so you asked me to censor their name. Come on, I explained all of this in the post body which you keep quoting, and there’s you in the screenshot clearly stating that I’m “encouraging dumping on that person”, who is the fictional transphobic troll. I can understand you not remembering something that happened a couple months ago, but I explained it all in the post, and you can see it. Can you… do you lack the ability to tell the difference between facts and fiction? Is that what’s going on? I’m just bewildered by this conversation. It’s like you’re only reading one in every 10 words and just jumping between random conclusions.

I still have a copy of the meme. I didn’t want to post it here because I didn’t want this thread to be an argument over politics, but I see we’re already derailed with Ada claiming the meme actually happened. This is the meme:

See? The username is Obvious_Troll. This has nothing to do with any aussie.zone user. The troll’s pronouns are not a topic of discussion in the meme. As you can see in the screenshot of my conversation with Ada a month ago (actually probably two months now, that’s an old screenshot), we were talking about a Spider-Man glasses meme. This is that meme. The person in the meme doesn’t exist.

They’re not. I made them up for a meme. I created a meme where someone said a bad opinion, and I gave them the fake username Obvious_Troll because I wanted the reader to think they were obviously a troll. If Obvious_Troll is real, can you give me a link to their profile? Any of their posts?

Yes, it was a meme. It was fiction. There wasn’t really a user called [email protected], they never existed. They don’t have an account on aussie.zone because they’re imaginary. There was never a debate about their pronouns because I made them up. They only existed in the meme you asked me to censor their name from.

What? Aussie zone? Pronouns? What? Am I witnessing a stroke?

I made the troll up. They don’t exist! There is no account with that username. What are you talking about?

scientifically, an organism that does not eat meat is a meat eater.

That’s not science, that’s religion. You’re talking about destiny. You’re saying cats have an essential nature which is not affected by the conditions of their lives. That the physical reality of what a cat eats does not determine its diet, that there exists a deeper truth based on what nature “intended”. Nature doesn’t have intentions. Cats were not created by an omnipotent god. Their place in the world, their role as animals, their diet, is malleable. And it changed a long, long time ago. Humans get to decide what cats are, and they’ve been deciding it for thousands of years. Humans decided to create a technology that makes cats no longer carnivores. You’re citing outdated information. You might as well say pandas are carnivores.

So you think pandas are carnivores? If that’s the case, then whether cats are carnivores is irrelevant to this whole discussion.

Carnivorism isn’t a biological characteristic of cats. It’s a biological characteristic of cat food. Cat food changed.

If cats are still carnivores, then so are pandas.

We don’t want to re-federate with Hexbear. I’ve been misgendered by one of their power users in the past and the admins did absolutely nothing about it.

If the LW admins feel justified in permabanning people for what they perceive as animal abuse, then surely the vegans are equally justified in being mean to people for what they also perceive as animal abuse. Your comment seems to indicate a double standard.

Also the LW admins decided to reinstate the c/vegan mods because they correctly identified that the admin who went rogue was overstepping.

Thank you for using my preferred pronouns and not calling me a “guy”

I don’t identify as a guy, I’m nonbinary. Please edit your insults to respect my gender identity.

EDIT: Thank you. In my defence, when I called vegans annoying it was only to troll a carnist.

Cats used to be carnivores back when taurine could only be found in meat, but humans invented synthetic taurine and cats aren’t carnivores anymore

Well I don’t deny my dogs meat, so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Every week, I adopt a dog from the local shelter, kill it, butcher it, put it in the freezer, and serve my dogs their daily food from that. I’m not denying animals food at all. So what the hell is your problem with that?

lmao at all the carnists in this thread scrambling to justify animal abuse so they can still feel like a good person

Yes he has. He’s one of the three Ten Forward mods who released that big wall of text attacking the Startrek admins.

But I do enjoy the person who thinks you need to get consent from a baby to ethically take its picture.

I’ve heard of people who don’t think you need consent from babies for sexual acts. They’re called pedophiles.