due to the previously communicated defamation campaign by quokk.au, which was later followed by defederation by them after we requested them to remove their censure, we have now defederated from quokk.au.
One of the triggers for the current debate is this post, which followed the removal of a comment comparing National Socialism with the current situation in Israel, which can be considered a trivialization of National Socialism. Such statements can, among other things, lead to imprisonment. Among other things, the post claimed that the removal had a Zionist motive, an accusation that should always be supported by appropriate evidence and prior to which it should be ruled out that there are alternative explanations.
We will not be removing every comment that goes even remotely in this direction, but we reserve the right to permanently ban users from feddit.org who make unfounded accusations, such as labeling our instance, admins, moderators, or other users as Nazis or Zionists, without substantial supporting arguments. This is especially the case when this is recurring behavior and not an isolated incident.
If this censure by quokk.au is not withdrawn in a timely manner, we will defederate quokk.au from our side for these unsubstantiated and untrue accusations.
Comments for this post are disabled, as we don’t expect any constructive discourse here, and we don’t want to create another comment section for terrorism advocates, genocide deniers, holocaust trivializers etc. There are already plenty other posts where discussion can take place.
Just FYI: There are laws in DE concerning Holocaust denial, relativism etc. The subject is tricky to say the least. I understand the feddit.org mods don’t want to find themselves in court because some edgelords went on a rampage. They are already cursed enough moderating ich_iel ;)
Personally, I feel the whole discussion regarding Israel/Gaza is extremely difficult in Germany, even at my Stammtisch. The underlying reason is obviously found in our history, though the consequences of that history are misunderstood. Never again means never again, I don’t care who commits the atrocities.
That was the question raised by people when feddit.org came up with that policy. A lot of Lemmy instances are hosted at Hetzner, but feddit.org is the only one this policy.
I feel badly about it. Zionists are fascists, and the Nakba is like the Holocaust. People should be able to say that. They should also be able to say Hamas is not conducting a genocide (because they don’t have enough guns to do what they want). I don’t support terrorism but I do think we should be conducting targeted strikes against IDF military assets without involving civilians, and I think the terrorism advocacy is mostly coming from Zionists.
Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group[2][3][4][5] associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.
Maybe you wouldn’t think protesting against genocide is antisemitic, if you didn’t think Judaism is a genocidal religion. You should try thinking of it that way and see what happens.
The way it’s worded, it makes it sound that anyone opposed to their POV is one of “terrorism advocates, genocide deniers, holocaust trivializers etc.” I’m hoping it’s just unfortunate wording.
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Not sure how to feel about this.
Every time I feel like feddit.org is going into the right direction, shit like this pops up. Marvellous.
It’s an unbelievably stupid decision imo. Talk about tone deaf.
Just FYI: There are laws in DE concerning Holocaust denial, relativism etc. The subject is tricky to say the least. I understand the feddit.org mods don’t want to find themselves in court because some edgelords went on a rampage. They are already cursed enough moderating ich_iel ;)
Personally, I feel the whole discussion regarding Israel/Gaza is extremely difficult in Germany, even at my Stammtisch. The underlying reason is obviously found in our history, though the consequences of that history are misunderstood. Never again means never again, I don’t care who commits the atrocities.
Should Lemmy.world apply the same standards as they are hosted at Hetzner?
Honestly, I wouldn’t know. Not a lawyer in international internet affairs :) Interesting question though.
That was the question raised by people when feddit.org came up with that policy. A lot of Lemmy instances are hosted at Hetzner, but feddit.org is the only one this policy.
politics is starting to become problematic, they used similar message in why they “removed or banned comment”
I feel badly about it. Zionists are fascists, and the Nakba is like the Holocaust. People should be able to say that. They should also be able to say Hamas is not conducting a genocide (because they don’t have enough guns to do what they want). I don’t support terrorism but I do think we should be conducting targeted strikes against IDF military assets without involving civilians, and I think the terrorism advocacy is mostly coming from Zionists.
lol
by the way i think that’s regarded as anti-semitic and holocaust denial, both of which is illegal in many countries
you can see why defederation is the least one should do
Semite means middle eastern person. You shouldn’t deny the genocide being done against semites, it’s antisemitic.
are you one of those sovereign citizens that has their own fantasy world full of their own definitions
that would explain your comedic genius
and your antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
so not denying being antisemitic
good for you
Maybe you wouldn’t think protesting against genocide is antisemitic, if you didn’t think Judaism is a genocidal religion. You should try thinking of it that way and see what happens.
comparing the holocaust to the naqba is antisemitic
other people say that because it radically minimizes and mischaracterizes the holocaust in doing so
got it now?
The way it’s worded, it makes it sound that anyone opposed to their POV is one of “terrorism advocates, genocide deniers, holocaust trivializers etc.” I’m hoping it’s just unfortunate wording.
Unfortunate wording, if you saw the comment sections on past posts on that drama you’d know the kind of people they mean with that
Israel is a terrorist state and those mods defend that
They are not here to have a discussion
They are just following orders
Their MO has been throughly exposed
A discerning shit poster should take note and avoid their communities, that’s how federation works. When they bully noobs, educate them on the fedi lore 🐸
Which side said this?
Last paragraph of the first link in body