I don’t think OpenBSD is Unix, both unix like. For a usecase, I don’t know if there even is a scenario where you would want OpenBSD as a desktop user, other than preference. I guess it would feel a bit like gentoo.
To quote a designer friend of mine ‘Apple is the king of average’. :-P Most people I see using apple don’t even understand how shitty the UI is if your workflow is keyboard driven (snap windows w/o 3rd party programs for example.)
I’m not sure if my experience is any kind interesting or not, but here goes. This is coming from the perspective of a software engineer.
After using Windows for a few years, I switched to macOS for several years before needing to use some Windows-only software and switching back.
I always hated using iPadOS, and for a long time, I assumed this was primarily due to the lack of windowed applications (as well as the lack of software that was truly competitive with Windows/macOS offerings, at least at the time).
On the other hand, my experience with macOS is just the opposite. As soon as the feature was introduced, I started using applications exclusively in fullscreen whenever possible. This is partially the fault of macOS’s vanilla window system being unhelpful in several regards, but that doesn’t explain why I now miss it on Windows.
Yes, I know Windows now implements comparable multitouch gestures, but in my experience, it is terrible to use. The scroll speed is far too fast and cannot be changed independently, AFAIK. And maximized applications still have to choose between a persistent window border and a borderless mode that comes with its own pitfalls. I really don’t like it, but I still use alt+tab 99% of the time, just like I did on XP and 7.
I think the root of the problem is that you can only physically look at one thing at a time, but fullscreen applications work best in multitasking when the time spent switching windows (including the time spent consciously thinking about it) is minimized. iPadOS sometimes takes longer and the gesture is uncomfortable to perform on a tablet. Windows gets it wrong in how much you have to keep an eye on it. macOS, in my opinion, gets it just right.
Honestly, most windows users I know at least know where their files are stored and stuff like that. Average Mac users don’t know if something is synced with the cloud or not and can’t unpack a rar archive without calling support because they are deliberately kept dumb by that restrictive, overly oppinionated, lock-in OS and unrepairable, un-upgradable hardware ecosystem. I’m using linux as daily driver on laptop and desktop for almost a decade now and I hate windows with a passion, but mac manages to be even worse. Although windows is also getting worse with every version since win7, so they might be on par soon…
The rar example was pretty random because I encountered that once. Also, I have t admit that I also know windows users who haven’t got the tiniest clue what they are doing. I just feel like it’s even worse on mac because the OS is more oppinionated and tends to hide even more complexity from its users without actually solving it. Windows also has got some horrendous default settings btw., e.g. hiding file extensions in explorer and searching through documents content when using the explorer search bar.
Depends on the person. Most of the people I know who use MacOS, use it as a glorified Facebook machine. Outside of perhaps Word, they only use the web browser.
In my circles it’s used exclusively for software engineering. Mostly by people who like Linux but don’t wanna deal with any instability brought by customizing your install.
Yeah this used to be the case up until the early 2000s. Then Microsoft started making Windows much less technical (e.g. instead of showing Error: HRESULT 0x80070002 it just showed Sorry, something went wrong :(). Conversely, Apple started exposing more tooling for MacOS, e.g. tracing, terminal, etc. instead of just showing <bomb picture> if something went wrong.
You can install Steam on Linux. In fact I have 2 PCs in my house for my sons. They run Windows games flawlessly. See for compatibility in the ProtonDB.
I tried running FNV on my home PC through Proton and it was basically a PowerPoint presentation. My Windows partition can run FNV just fine, even with a game-breaking number of mods. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong, as I’ve heard that FNV works well in WINE. I’m on Debian in case anyone wants to dunk on my shit help me out.
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Linux is to main stream -> OpenBSD
What benefits do you have using Unix over Linux?
I don’t think OpenBSD is Unix, both unix like. For a usecase, I don’t know if there even is a scenario where you would want OpenBSD as a desktop user, other than preference. I guess it would feel a bit like gentoo.
What benefit would it have as a server or anything else compared to Linux? I’m not in the biz so I really don’t know.
Me neither
NetBSD is love, NetBSD is life.
i use linux BECAUSE i fear technology…
maybe more accurately it should be ‘understand’ technology, but then why would windows be there ?
Facebook has an os?
If not /s, then that’s Fedora lol
Was not /s .
That’s the damn FB logo. Lol
Windows isn’t afraid of tech, but MacOS is? Give me a break, the Unix style terminal is the reason for using MacOS professionally.
To quote a designer friend of mine ‘Apple is the king of average’. :-P Most people I see using apple don’t even understand how shitty the UI is if your workflow is keyboard driven (snap windows w/o 3rd party programs for example.)
I’m not sure if my experience is any kind interesting or not, but here goes. This is coming from the perspective of a software engineer.
After using Windows for a few years, I switched to macOS for several years before needing to use some Windows-only software and switching back.
I always hated using iPadOS, and for a long time, I assumed this was primarily due to the lack of windowed applications (as well as the lack of software that was truly competitive with Windows/macOS offerings, at least at the time).
On the other hand, my experience with macOS is just the opposite. As soon as the feature was introduced, I started using applications exclusively in fullscreen whenever possible. This is partially the fault of macOS’s vanilla window system being unhelpful in several regards, but that doesn’t explain why I now miss it on Windows.
Yes, I know Windows now implements comparable multitouch gestures, but in my experience, it is terrible to use. The scroll speed is far too fast and cannot be changed independently, AFAIK. And maximized applications still have to choose between a persistent window border and a borderless mode that comes with its own pitfalls. I really don’t like it, but I still use alt+tab 99% of the time, just like I did on XP and 7.
I think the root of the problem is that you can only physically look at one thing at a time, but fullscreen applications work best in multitasking when the time spent switching windows (including the time spent consciously thinking about it) is minimized. iPadOS sometimes takes longer and the gesture is uncomfortable to perform on a tablet. Windows gets it wrong in how much you have to keep an eye on it. macOS, in my opinion, gets it just right.
Honestly, most windows users I know at least know where their files are stored and stuff like that. Average Mac users don’t know if something is synced with the cloud or not and can’t unpack a rar archive without calling support because they are deliberately kept dumb by that restrictive, overly oppinionated, lock-in OS and unrepairable, un-upgradable hardware ecosystem. I’m using linux as daily driver on laptop and desktop for almost a decade now and I hate windows with a passion, but mac manages to be even worse. Although windows is also getting worse with every version since win7, so they might be on par soon…
The defaults on Finder are terrible; you’ve just got to have it not default to the “All My Files” view.
As for your RAR archive scenario I’m wondering if you’re talking about System 9 or something? Lol
The rar example was pretty random because I encountered that once. Also, I have t admit that I also know windows users who haven’t got the tiniest clue what they are doing. I just feel like it’s even worse on mac because the OS is more oppinionated and tends to hide even more complexity from its users without actually solving it. Windows also has got some horrendous default settings btw., e.g. hiding file extensions in explorer and searching through documents content when using the explorer search bar.
Depends on the person. Most of the people I know who use MacOS, use it as a glorified Facebook machine. Outside of perhaps Word, they only use the web browser.
That’s what I always read but literally the only people I see using them are developers like me.
At work many use Windows but they’re Java developers; they can have that mess.
In my circles it’s used exclusively for software engineering. Mostly by people who like Linux but don’t wanna deal with any instability brought by customizing your install.
What kinds of customization create instability on Linux but are still possible on Mac?
Computers are a tool and people use it for the needs that benefit them.
Yeah this used to be the case up until the early 2000s. Then Microsoft started making Windows much less technical (e.g. instead of showing
Error: HRESULT 0x80070002it just showedSorry, something went wrong :(). Conversely, Apple started exposing more tooling for MacOS, e.g. tracing, terminal, etc. instead of just showing<bomb picture>if something went wrong.Yes
Yes
Linux gaming is pretty good these days. Basically the only major games you can’t play are the ones running super intrusive anticheats.
Moved to Nobara os half a year back and haven’t had much issue with any game so far, not anymore than I did on windows
You can install Steam on Linux. In fact I have 2 PCs in my house for my sons. They run Windows games flawlessly. See for compatibility in the ProtonDB.
And if that doesn’t work, there’s always
alcoholWineSee the thing is, when you use Windows you don’t need a compatability list.
Edge with hover button to bing is now your default browser again.
Just wait until you try to install it on something without secure boot
On Windows it might be compatible but you’ll still face problems. Not to mention Linux has a better compatibility with older games
Yeah I installed Garuda yesterday and games worked great. It’s literally everything else that had me wanting a “Linux for fucking morons” class.
Maybe relevant 10 years ago, but not anymore. Hell, most games run better with Proton now, no background telemetry crap.
FNV somehow runs more stable on my Steam Deck than my PC at this point.
I tried running FNV on my home PC through Proton and it was basically a PowerPoint presentation. My Windows partition can run FNV just fine, even with a game-breaking number of mods. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong, as I’ve heard that FNV works well in WINE. I’m on Debian in case anyone wants to
dunk on my shithelp me out.could just be my luck but out of a few games I tried nothing ran as smooth as windows and also no g sync for me
i use linux BECAUSE i fear technology…
maybe more accurately it should be ‘understand’ technology, but then why would windows be there ?
“Do you have a life”, FTFU!
Has Gentoo stopped being the distro of choice for people with too much time on their hands?
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Compiling the browser or figuring out how to not trigger qtwebengine-dependency. No time to post anything.
“do you have a life” -> “Are you independently capable”
FTFY
Ah yes me the intellectual using Kali Linux to play Skyrim
How else will you pen test the dragons?
I’m posting from an actual abacus.
Accurate
bro why is kali in the “you have no life” section ?? Everyone knows ethical hackers get all the girls
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I have run into people who use kali as a daily driver. They mentioned it trying to seem cool but it made me think wow this guys an idiot.
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well, nmap can be installed in any distro
I went to school in cybersecurity (ended up being a run of the mill web dev) and the people who ran Kali knew the least. I blame Mr Robot
And here I thought I didn’t have a life. What a a pleasant surprise!
What is the puzzle piece? Linux from scratch?
I think it’s Kali
Kali is the dragon below the puzzle piece.
oh, that’s a puzzle piece? Then googling it, @[email protected]’s guess was right, the puzzle piece is LfS.
i use linux BECAUSE i fear technology…
maybe more accurately it should be ‘understand’ technology, but then why would windows be there ?
You fear the people that really own the technology, not the technology itself.
thats where your wrong. i fear both
thats where your wrong. i fear both