My guess is the person who originally made this doesn’t have all that much Linux experience and doesn’t know that Kali is just Debian with lots of pre-installed security tools (and not intended as a daily driver)
i only like my mac because of the speakers; ultra the bright screen; and the cmd & ctrl key separation. as soon as someone else decides to build a laptop with those qualities (preferably better) i’d ditch mac in a heartbeat.
I don’t know much about it lately, but aren’t Fedora and Ubuntu considered bad nowadays? Mint imo was absolutely great every time I used it except for proprietary drivers needing extra reboots(might be different now)
I have no control over my Ubuntu’s updates just like with windows. I’d have to ditch snap if i understand properly, which would effectively deUbuntu my Ubuntu. They have a fairly heavily proprietary focus which is also bad.
I don’t really know if they’re bad, since I haven’t touched either in years, but they’re both definitely easy distros to get into for beginners who dont want to spend hours configuring their system, thus them being in the yes part of having a life.
I don’t know why someone would call them bad. Especially if you’re trying to install them on non-mainstream hardware. There’s just more support for them.
My own journey to Linux started with FreeBSD. Want to talk about hard to find drivers? Now I have two laptops running Ubuntu and Mint, with Ubuntu running as a VM on Win10.
Fedora just works, it made me stop Distro hopping. I don’t want to use something else, but when the day comes on that Red Hat starts making questionable choices, I’ll go back to Debian.
but when the day comes on that Red Hat starts making questionable choices,
Uh that day came and went when they changed CentOS from a downstream source rebuild of RHEL to an upstream dev branch that stabilizes into RHEL. They’ve now gone off the rails with closing public access to the sources and having RHEL T&C require customers to either relinquish they’re GPL right to redistribute the sources or have their support contract terminated.
I’ve been a user for years and I would agree with that. The only issue I’ve seen people have recently are with Red Hat and their recent source code policy change
Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding? I don’t want to deal with configuration hell, malware and viruses or all the other trash Windows brings with it.
I’m a programmer and I adore being able to use most UNIX and Linux software. As a regular user (not programming) I don’t need to babysit my OS and I get all the magic with interoperability between all my devices.
As for privacy I get all that on macOS with mobile profiles, VPN’s, ad blocking, etc.
Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don’t use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I’d say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can’t live without it.
As for why I particularly hate apple:
Bizarre pricing for comparably low tier Hardware (although not really comparable since apple makes their own ARM silicone)
Bad repairability, including flimsy collabs to produce some overpriced block of metal just to change an jphone battery lol
Walled garden / closed ecosystem. Blocking third party apps for users “security”. All this green bubble / blue bubble bullshit.
productivity and design wise alright machines, but utter trash when it comes to gaming.
Arch Linux Desktop for coding and gaming, MacBook for mobile productivity. Best of both worlds.
I know with 100% certainty that if my MacBook did a thing last week, it will do it tomorrow. No lost files due to updates, no weird crashes, no ads, no candy crush. If I’m out somewhere, that reliability is worth the premium. And, at least on Mac computers, you can unlock the walled garden if you really need to.
There is no use case for windows in my workflow. Might not be true for everyone though.
To be fair, using Arch is kind of a different thing entirely. If you want to compare something to OSX UX/reliability, Mint or the like would be a more fair comparison. They’re way more stable than rolling release, and even rr doesn’t have that many issues.
Thank you again for all your replies and suggestions.
After trying a thunderbolt gigabit ethernet adapter, I have full 1000Mbps speeds again. I can only assume there was some kind of firmware mess-up with the OS update. At least that won’t affect 3rd party hardware.
I can’t be sure if any of the suggestions helped the situation, but I learned a few things, and at least I don’t have to worry with it now.
Thanks again.
Cheers!
Maybe you should read your own sources before making unsubstantiated claims. If it had been intentional, using an adapter would not have solved the problem.
Dude, they disabled a capability of the hardware it shipped with, with a firmware update in the OD update. I have one of the affected Minis. I bought a computer that shipped with gigabit Ethernet and they removed that feature. I don’t care if I could buy an external adapter. Would you think it was ok of Nvidia retroactively capped you 120fps GPU at 12fps because you can just buy another GPU?
Genuinely happy for you to have escaped this issue. I had mine on wifi when the OS update that killed it rolled out, because I couldn’t run a cable to that part of my house, so I didn’t notice until a couple of years after the fact. Even booting Linux or Windows it was still stuck at 100Mbps. There used to be a lot more threads on the Apple forums and they inevitably ended in people being content to just buying external thunderbolt adapters to get the speed back.
That’s only iOS, and I’ve heard that EU’s trying to put an end to that. Third party apps works fine with macOS; never once have I even touched the app store, only Homebrew. I do agree that the lack of control and freedom you have is egregious, especially for such an expensive device, there really should be an toggle to turn all of that restriction off for those who knows what they’re doing. I’m also pessimistic about the future of macOS given the absolute bullshit Apple’s been pulling with iOS. I can only hope Asahi Linux gets feature parity with macOS by the time they do the same with macOS, else I’ll have to sell my M1 MacBook and get something else, and that’s a shame because despite less-than-ideal OS, the hardware is amazing.
I don’t care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS’s. But that’s not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.
Just to be clear, because the following could be misunderstood when posted alone: I’m not looking for an argument, use whatever you prefer. I’m just curious.
What use cases do you have that aren’t available (or take lots of configuration) on Mint?
Thanks for asking. Unfortunately I’m stuck using certain Adobe apps. There are Linux alternatives but I work with clients and external parties so working files need to be shared. So can’t risk compatibility or even drive format issues.
Plus hardware wise apple really hit it out of the park with apple silicon. I’d love to see the desktop gpu race move towards efficient even a little bit to tempt me.
Gotta give credit where credit’s due.
It’s mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.
They don’t contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).
You mean like their recent Wine patches, which they trough over the fence instand of working with the community? WebKit was forked AFAIK for open source projects etc. Perhaps Apple conforms to the letter of the law, but they for sure don’t play nice to the spirit of OpenSource. Finally: Given what they borrowed from the *BSDs, I don’t see Apple being a contributor to the *BSDs in any way.
Oh yeah, total UNIX (and almost total Linux compatibility) cuts me off from so much. 🙄 Silly me I forgot that all I’m able to do is check email and social media.
Really? Back on Reddit, every time I said something about Apple, I get at least 5 comments saying how “that isn’t a problem”, “lol you have no idea” and things like that.
Especially the head. phone. jacks. Oh my, the mental gymnastics were unforgettable.
Well for me personally I use an external DAC with a headphone jack. I don’t care to use a shitty internal DAC anyway (you really think any phone manufacturer’s top priority is sound quality?) so it’s a non-issue for me.
You are literally suggesting how you have fixed (or rather, worked around) the issue… by suggesting another much more expensive solution. Pretty much just like the other comments I mentioned before, except that they were suggesting wireless headphones, or buying dongles, or any of that jazz.
I just want to charge my phone while I’m wearing my headphones, without having to buy any external dongles or gasp external DACs.
Apple set a terrible precedent for other phone manufacturers by removing the headphone jacks, they showed how they can screw over customers and people will still sing praises for them, it’s baffling because it’s a blatant attempt by Apple to promote their own wireless headphones!
Although it’s been better now in the Android world, but there was once when those companies touted “lack of 3.5mm” as a feature.
You can’t upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can’t upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.
macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they’re putting on iOS, I’d rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I’ve long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I’m not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it’s meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don’t break their system, but at least make a toggle that’s lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they’re doing.
Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that “Linux is hard”. It’s only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don’t usually use them, I’ve heard that they’ve become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it’s lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.
I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don’t get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.
Then you are far above the threshold, because Ubuntu desktop and Fedora desktop are easy and widely supported by hardware nowadays. No tinkering necessary.
From my experience with people that are very pro Android vs the pro iOS crowd, it’s just that they’re trying to justify their own choice by uplifting the OS they chose and sometimes tend to focus only on the negatives of the other OS. The same can be said for the various desktop OS crowds.
I’ve used both Android and iOS, as well as Windows and MacOS (and intend to try Linux at some point) over the years and I never thought one was generally better than the other. All these OSs have different target users and that’s ok. Just because you’re not the target user for OS A, doesn’t mean that OS B is objectively the best OS for everyone. It’s just the best OS for you. And why people feel the need to bash other people’s choices or even make fun of them for it is beyond me.
I’m not even pro iOS/macOS. I grew up on pre-UNIX Apple trash and hated it. Back then I was Windows all the way.
I just get tired of the “Apple sucks” crowd just because Apple is so opinionated. The fact it’s opinionated is exactly why I like it, I’d rather have the underpinnings of the OS just work when it comes to the desktop experience. Otherwise I use FreeBSD and Alpine Linux all the time and love them just as well.
One doesn’t “get privacy”, privacy can’t be bolted on. One starts with full privacy and then begins losing it to bad decisions, like choosing an inauditable OS that phones home and everything.
Did you not read what I wrote? I explained how I use VPN’s, .mobileconf profiles, etc for privacy. You don’t know what kind of DNS software I’m running, what blocklists I use, etc. I explicitly told you how I “get” privacy.
Maybe try to understand the text you’re reading rather than taking every word literally.
You’ve forgotten an important point: the price gap between apple and windows machines has closed significantly. A similarly-performing windows machine is now a similar price, if not more expensive, than the equivalent mac.
My dude, if you find you need to “babysit” Fedora or Ubuntu, I’m kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.
And also, just because something is UNIX doesn’t make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.
Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don’t collect identifying information and canvas you?
Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of
But you can run Linux on windows!
You can install most of the same tools on windows
Just run everything in docker anyway
I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.
If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs
Isn’t the whole Macs don’t get viruses thing a myth by this point?
There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that’s on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.
Nothing is secure anymore, and it makes sense. The reason there are less apple hacks (anything I’m the ecosystem is susceptible) is by keeping things proprietary and their relative obscurity. There have been hacks on Mac’s, iPhones, but also Linux, android, and of course windows.
A meme about Linux and BSD and all those nerdy things on a general meme subreddit community that has more than 500 upvotes (with 1000 being a really high number of votes)? If this post was back on Reddit, say r/Memes, it would probably only get 100. Lemmy needs to somehow diversify its demographics such that less technical don’t feel as alienated after joining. (To be clear, this is not a criticism on this post.)
Calm down. All I’m saying is that if the Fediverse wants to succeed and actually beat Reddit, Discord, and Twitter, we need to have more than Linux users (I am too) on our platforms.
I wouldn’t say I’m that techy and I recently jumped over to Linux Mint from Windows because it has the C-compiler gcc pre-installed and it’s UNIX seems to be a better experience for programming. It was easy to install, I find I’m going back to Windows less and less. I used to use Photoshop a lot, now I’m just using Krita. I’m lovin it so far. Only games are a problem maybe, although the game I play has a linux version, I just can’t be bothered loading yet.
Linux Mint is supposed to be the easy for-the-layman Linux distro and that’s been my experience so far - everything has worked, no issues.
Yeah, okay, I am a little bit techy, but so far I haven’t had to employ any of my limited techy abilities in Linux Mint. I didn’t even notice I was using it more, it just happened over a few months that I was finding there was no need to go back to Windows. To load programs on Linux Mint I just google “How to load program X on Linux”, and there will be a page saying, type “sudo apt install <program_name>” in Terminal and it always works and I’m done. (I’m a beginner programmer who was told to try Linux for the Unix stuff) .
If you’re a gamer, I would look up any discussion of gaming in Linux - that would be my only proviso.
I think the argument boils down to: Can a person who writes down their passwords in excel and calls chrome “the internet” use it. The answer is not yet. It’s better than it used to be but they is still a lot of work to be done. Typing commands in terminal is an actual non starter for my parents. In fact I would argue I don’t want them to be typing any sudo commands in terminal they got from the internet.
You can install Steam on Linux. In fact I have 2 PCs in my house for my sons. They run Windows games flawlessly. See for compatibility in the ProtonDB.
I tried running FNV on my home PC through Proton and it was basically a PowerPoint presentation. My Windows partition can run FNV just fine, even with a game-breaking number of mods. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong, as I’ve heard that FNV works well in WINE. I’m on Debian in case anyone wants to dunk on my shit help me out.
I don’t think OpenBSD is Unix, both unix like. For a usecase, I don’t know if there even is a scenario where you would want OpenBSD as a desktop user, other than preference. I guess it would feel a bit like gentoo.
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Why you put kali in no life 🧐 what problem does it have
It’S a HaCkeR dIsTrO /s
My guess is the person who originally made this doesn’t have all that much Linux experience and doesn’t know that Kali is just Debian with lots of pre-installed security tools (and not intended as a daily driver)
From its core I think it’s correct we just need a Compactable kernal and drivers and some script to get our work done
Facebook has an os?
If not /s, then that’s Fedora lol
Was not /s .
That’s the damn FB logo. Lol
lol, yeah somebody really hates Macs… I work in tech, and lots of my colleagues also use Mac, I love my Mac…
i only like my mac because of the speakers; ultra the bright screen; and the cmd & ctrl key separation. as soon as someone else decides to build a laptop with those qualities (preferably better) i’d ditch mac in a heartbeat.
I don’t know much about it lately, but aren’t Fedora and Ubuntu considered bad nowadays? Mint imo was absolutely great every time I used it except for proprietary drivers needing extra reboots(might be different now)
I think Ubuntu has turned to garbage with whatever canonical is doing but I do think Linux Mint is pretty great
I have no control over my Ubuntu’s updates just like with windows. I’d have to ditch snap if i understand properly, which would effectively deUbuntu my Ubuntu. They have a fairly heavily proprietary focus which is also bad.
Come join the Mint gang
I need to leave the ADHD gang first I think lol.
I’m having a ton of fun with Mint. I’m finding it tight, full of relevant software, and quite configurable.
I don’t really know if they’re bad, since I haven’t touched either in years, but they’re both definitely easy distros to get into for beginners who dont want to spend hours configuring their system, thus them being in the yes part of having a life.
I don’t know why someone would call them bad. Especially if you’re trying to install them on non-mainstream hardware. There’s just more support for them.
My own journey to Linux started with FreeBSD. Want to talk about hard to find drivers? Now I have two laptops running Ubuntu and Mint, with Ubuntu running as a VM on Win10.
AFAIK, Fedora is considered stable and is a great choice.
Fedora just works, it made me stop Distro hopping. I don’t want to use something else, but when the day comes on that Red Hat starts making questionable choices, I’ll go back to Debian.
Uh that day came and went when they changed CentOS from a downstream source rebuild of RHEL to an upstream dev branch that stabilizes into RHEL. They’ve now gone off the rails with closing public access to the sources and having RHEL T&C require customers to either relinquish they’re GPL right to redistribute the sources or have their support contract terminated.
Yeah, without Fedora for me it’s either Debian or Arch. Nothing inbetween. And I do like the inbetween, that is what Fedora is.
I’ve been a user for years and I would agree with that. The only issue I’ve seen people have recently are with Red Hat and their recent source code policy change
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/red-hats-new-source-code-policy-and-the-intense-pushback-explained/
I don’t understand why Apple gets so much shit.
Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding? I don’t want to deal with configuration hell, malware and viruses or all the other trash Windows brings with it.
I’m a programmer and I adore being able to use most UNIX and Linux software. As a regular user (not programming) I don’t need to babysit my OS and I get all the magic with interoperability between all my devices.
As for privacy I get all that on macOS with mobile profiles, VPN’s, ad blocking, etc.
Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI
Does OSX still have that bug where if you merge two folders of the same name it deletes everything in one of them?
I wish macOS was a well managed Unix system.
Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don’t use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I’d say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can’t live without it.
As for why I particularly hate apple:
There are surely more / other points to make.
Arch Linux Desktop for coding and gaming, MacBook for mobile productivity. Best of both worlds.
I know with 100% certainty that if my MacBook did a thing last week, it will do it tomorrow. No lost files due to updates, no weird crashes, no ads, no candy crush. If I’m out somewhere, that reliability is worth the premium. And, at least on Mac computers, you can unlock the walled garden if you really need to.
There is no use case for windows in my workflow. Might not be true for everyone though.
To be fair, using Arch is kind of a different thing entirely. If you want to compare something to OSX UX/reliability, Mint or the like would be a more fair comparison. They’re way more stable than rolling release, and even rr doesn’t have that many issues.
You would be wrong. They disabled gigabit ethernet in 2012/203 iMacs/Minis with an OS update, 100mbps only after that. They broke PTP for Android phones with an OS update.
Maybe you should read your own sources before making unsubstantiated claims. If it had been intentional, using an adapter would not have solved the problem.
Dude, they disabled a capability of the hardware it shipped with, with a firmware update in the OD update. I have one of the affected Minis. I bought a computer that shipped with gigabit Ethernet and they removed that feature. I don’t care if I could buy an external adapter. Would you think it was ok of Nvidia retroactively capped you 120fps GPU at 12fps because you can just buy another GPU?
I have a 2012 Mac Mini. It runs gigabit just fine. Might be a firmware bug that they never patched?
Edit: And no, I would not take that from Nvidia. But, I don’t think this is intentional, or else my mini would also be affected.
I’m genuinely glad for you and the other poster here who got by unscathed. Maybe we have slightly different chipsets. Mine is bcm57766/b57nd60a.
I have a late 2012 mini on Catalina still. I’m like 99% sure it still runs gigabit. Let me check the switch port it’s on.
Any report?
Sorry. yeah was on my way home super late and fell asleep. Its definately 1Gb.
Arp Lookup
Mac Address lookup on switch
Switch Port is def 1gb. Port right under it is 100 Mb as an example.
Genuinely happy for you to have escaped this issue. I had mine on wifi when the OS update that killed it rolled out, because I couldn’t run a cable to that part of my house, so I didn’t notice until a couple of years after the fact. Even booting Linux or Windows it was still stuck at 100Mbps. There used to be a lot more threads on the Apple forums and they inevitably ended in people being content to just buying external thunderbolt adapters to get the speed back.
I had the exact same setup before switching to fedora
That’s only iOS, and I’ve heard that EU’s trying to put an end to that. Third party apps works fine with macOS; never once have I even touched the app store, only Homebrew. I do agree that the lack of control and freedom you have is egregious, especially for such an expensive device, there really should be an toggle to turn all of that restriction off for those who knows what they’re doing. I’m also pessimistic about the future of macOS given the absolute bullshit Apple’s been pulling with iOS. I can only hope Asahi Linux gets feature parity with macOS by the time they do the same with macOS, else I’ll have to sell my M1 MacBook and get something else, and that’s a shame because despite less-than-ideal OS, the hardware is amazing.
I don’t care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS’s. But that’s not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.
KDE plasma
Just to be clear, because the following could be misunderstood when posted alone: I’m not looking for an argument, use whatever you prefer. I’m just curious.
What use cases do you have that aren’t available (or take lots of configuration) on Mint?
Thanks for asking. Unfortunately I’m stuck using certain Adobe apps. There are Linux alternatives but I work with clients and external parties so working files need to be shared. So can’t risk compatibility or even drive format issues.
Plus hardware wise apple really hit it out of the park with apple silicon. I’d love to see the desktop gpu race move towards efficient even a little bit to tempt me.
Gotta give credit where credit’s due.
I’m with you, it’s just Cool to hate on Apple or whatever.
It’s mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.
I agree with everything else you said but this is just flat out incorrect.
I just thought since that’s how the iPhone works it would apply to MacOS as well, sorry.
They don’t contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).
That’s not true. Some examples: WebKit LLVM clang Anything here: https://github.com/Developer-Ecosystem-Engineering
You mean like their recent Wine patches, which they trough over the fence instand of working with the community? WebKit was forked AFAIK for open source projects etc. Perhaps Apple conforms to the letter of the law, but they for sure don’t play nice to the spirit of OpenSource. Finally: Given what they borrowed from the *BSDs, I don’t see Apple being a contributor to the *BSDs in any way.
Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.
It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.
Oh yeah, total UNIX (and almost total Linux compatibility) cuts me off from so much. 🙄 Silly me I forgot that all I’m able to do is check email and social media.
Several reasons:
On point 4, I hear way more from Apple haters than I do from Apple simps
Really? Back on Reddit, every time I said something about Apple, I get at least 5 comments saying how “that isn’t a problem”, “lol you have no idea” and things like that.
Especially the head. phone. jacks. Oh my, the mental gymnastics were unforgettable.
People just can’t let that go, can they?
Well for me personally I use an external DAC with a headphone jack. I don’t care to use a shitty internal DAC anyway (you really think any phone manufacturer’s top priority is sound quality?) so it’s a non-issue for me.
Thanks for proving my point.
You are literally suggesting how you have fixed (or rather, worked around) the issue… by suggesting another much more expensive solution. Pretty much just like the other comments I mentioned before, except that they were suggesting wireless headphones, or buying dongles, or any of that jazz.
I just want to charge my phone while I’m wearing my headphones, without having to buy any external dongles or gasp external DACs.
Apple set a terrible precedent for other phone manufacturers by removing the headphone jacks, they showed how they can screw over customers and people will still sing praises for them, it’s baffling because it’s a blatant attempt by Apple to promote their own wireless headphones!
Although it’s been better now in the Android world, but there was once when those companies touted “lack of 3.5mm” as a feature.
I just told you plainly what my personal experience is. I’m not trying to disprove nor disprove your point.
Even in you’re own example, it sounds like you’re the one going out of your way to complain about it
All you’re complaining about is that people disagreed with you when you removeded about Apple lol
I don’t really care about Apple itself, but rather how they can screw over everyone with shitty practices and people will still defend them.
Headphone jacks are just a very glaring example of that ;)
You can’t upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can’t upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.
Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.
It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.
macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they’re putting on iOS, I’d rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I’ve long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I’m not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it’s meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don’t break their system, but at least make a toggle that’s lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they’re doing.
Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that “Linux is hard”. It’s only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don’t usually use them, I’ve heard that they’ve become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it’s lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.
I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don’t get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.
Okay 🤣
Apple is fascist and doesn’t let you customize as much as you want to now it’s a shitshow.
Honestly for someone who wants keyboard shortcuts so badly you seemed to have forgotten about the enter/return key.
Then you are far above the threshold, because Ubuntu desktop and Fedora desktop are easy and widely supported by hardware nowadays. No tinkering necessary.
From my experience with people that are very pro Android vs the pro iOS crowd, it’s just that they’re trying to justify their own choice by uplifting the OS they chose and sometimes tend to focus only on the negatives of the other OS. The same can be said for the various desktop OS crowds.
I’ve used both Android and iOS, as well as Windows and MacOS (and intend to try Linux at some point) over the years and I never thought one was generally better than the other. All these OSs have different target users and that’s ok. Just because you’re not the target user for OS A, doesn’t mean that OS B is objectively the best OS for everyone. It’s just the best OS for you. And why people feel the need to bash other people’s choices or even make fun of them for it is beyond me.
I’m not even pro iOS/macOS. I grew up on pre-UNIX Apple trash and hated it. Back then I was Windows all the way.
I just get tired of the “Apple sucks” crowd just because Apple is so opinionated. The fact it’s opinionated is exactly why I like it, I’d rather have the underpinnings of the OS just work when it comes to the desktop experience. Otherwise I use FreeBSD and Alpine Linux all the time and love them just as well.
One doesn’t “get privacy”, privacy can’t be bolted on. One starts with full privacy and then begins losing it to bad decisions, like choosing an inauditable OS that phones home and everything.
“OnE dOeSN’t gEt pRivACy”
Did you not read what I wrote? I explained how I use VPN’s,
.mobileconfprofiles, etc for privacy. You don’t know what kind of DNS software I’m running, what blocklists I use, etc. I explicitly told you how I “get” privacy.Maybe try to understand the text you’re reading rather than taking every word literally.
If you run MacOS, I don’t have to.
And yeah, sound like at least one of us doesn’t get privacy.
You’ve forgotten an important point: the price gap between apple and windows machines has closed significantly. A similarly-performing windows machine is now a similar price, if not more expensive, than the equivalent mac.
My dude, if you find you need to “babysit” Fedora or Ubuntu, I’m kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.
And also, just because something is UNIX doesn’t make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.
Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don’t collect identifying information and canvas you?
Oh yeah I’m a web developer that also dabbles in software development, Kubernetes, DevOps, etc. but my tech literacy is trash. 🥴🤣
Spyware
Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of
But you can run Linux on windows! You can install most of the same tools on windows Just run everything in docker anyway
I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.
If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs
Linux with KDE.
@railsdev @idk837384 It’s the price, right? People shit on it for its price. You didn’t mention price once! Lol
What about the price? Yep it costs more than the competition; congrats 🎉
Nah, $999 for a monitor stand is completely reasonable
Mac wheels
Isn’t the whole Macs don’t get viruses thing a myth by this point?
There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that’s on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.
Nothing is secure anymore, and it makes sense. The reason there are less apple hacks (anything I’m the ecosystem is susceptible) is by keeping things proprietary and their relative obscurity. There have been hacks on Mac’s, iPhones, but also Linux, android, and of course windows.
I agree but I feel like the obscurity aspect faded out with the I’m a Mac and I’m a PC ads
By relative obscurity, I mean purely market share. By percentages, it’s obscure, by raw numbers it’s still popular with millions of users.
Yeah I mean I’m not talking about ReactOS. It’s hard to measure the amount of malware per market share.
I imagine it’s weighted unevenly dependent on it’s user base and target demographic.
A meme about Linux and BSD and all those nerdy things on a general meme
subredditcommunity that has more than 500 upvotes (with 1000 being a really high number of votes)? If this post was back on Reddit, say r/Memes, it would probably only get 100. Lemmy needs to somehow diversify its demographics such that less technical don’t feel as alienated after joining. (To be clear, this is not a criticism on this post.)Yeah, and become another reddit? Have you tried not smoking dried turds?
Calm down. All I’m saying is that if the Fediverse wants to succeed and actually beat Reddit, Discord, and Twitter, we need to have more than Linux users (I am too) on our platforms.
“do you have a life” -> “Are you independently capable”
FTFY
Ah yes me the intellectual using Kali Linux to play Skyrim
How else will you pen test the dragons?
Have no life, still chose Fedora / Debian. The days of Ubuntu are long gone tho.
They should’ve added another path, “Do you like amazon?” -> Ubuntu
This meme is broken. I use fedora and have no life.
What about Suse?
What is the puzzle piece? Linux from scratch?
I think it’s Kali
Kali is the dragon below the puzzle piece.
oh, that’s a puzzle piece? Then googling it, @[email protected]’s guess was right, the puzzle piece is LfS.
Guess I don’t have a life.
Use btw I Arch.
There’s a Lemmy instance where you don’t have to say that.
I wouldn’t say I’m that techy and I recently jumped over to Linux Mint from Windows because it has the C-compiler gcc pre-installed and it’s UNIX seems to be a better experience for programming. It was easy to install, I find I’m going back to Windows less and less. I used to use Photoshop a lot, now I’m just using Krita. I’m lovin it so far. Only games are a problem maybe, although the game I play has a linux version, I just can’t be bothered loading yet.
Linux Mint is supposed to be the easy for-the-layman Linux distro and that’s been my experience so far - everything has worked, no issues.
Not sure why you got downvotes, my non-techy dad uses Mint to play civilization 5 and hasn’t used windows for at least a decade now.
Yeah, okay, I am a little bit techy, but so far I haven’t had to employ any of my limited techy abilities in Linux Mint. I didn’t even notice I was using it more, it just happened over a few months that I was finding there was no need to go back to Windows. To load programs on Linux Mint I just google “How to load program X on Linux”, and there will be a page saying, type “sudo apt install <program_name>” in Terminal and it always works and I’m done. (I’m a beginner programmer who was told to try Linux for the Unix stuff) .
If you’re a gamer, I would look up any discussion of gaming in Linux - that would be my only proviso.
I think the argument boils down to: Can a person who writes down their passwords in excel and calls chrome “the internet” use it. The answer is not yet. It’s better than it used to be but they is still a lot of work to be done. Typing commands in terminal is an actual non starter for my parents. In fact I would argue I don’t want them to be typing any sudo commands in terminal they got from the internet.
I tried watch the other day. Couldn’t get passed the first step in the installer. It was like using a computer from the late 80s.
Tried what?
Yes
Yes
Moved to Nobara os half a year back and haven’t had much issue with any game so far, not anymore than I did on windows
You can install Steam on Linux. In fact I have 2 PCs in my house for my sons. They run Windows games flawlessly. See for compatibility in the ProtonDB.
Yeah I installed Garuda yesterday and games worked great. It’s literally everything else that had me wanting a “Linux for fucking morons” class.
See the thing is, when you use Windows you don’t need a compatability list.
Edge with hover button to bing is now your default browser again.
On Windows it might be compatible but you’ll still face problems. Not to mention Linux has a better compatibility with older games
Just wait until you try to install it on something without secure boot
And if that doesn’t work, there’s always
alcoholWineMaybe relevant 10 years ago, but not anymore. Hell, most games run better with Proton now, no background telemetry crap.
FNV somehow runs more stable on my Steam Deck than my PC at this point.
I tried running FNV on my home PC through Proton and it was basically a PowerPoint presentation. My Windows partition can run FNV just fine, even with a game-breaking number of mods. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong, as I’ve heard that FNV works well in WINE. I’m on Debian in case anyone wants to
dunk on my shithelp me out.could just be my luck but out of a few games I tried nothing ran as smooth as windows and also no g sync for me
Linux gaming is pretty good these days. Basically the only major games you can’t play are the ones running super intrusive anticheats.
Linux is to main stream -> OpenBSD
NetBSD is love, NetBSD is life.
What benefits do you have using Unix over Linux?
I don’t think OpenBSD is Unix, both unix like. For a usecase, I don’t know if there even is a scenario where you would want OpenBSD as a desktop user, other than preference. I guess it would feel a bit like gentoo.
What benefit would it have as a server or anything else compared to Linux? I’m not in the biz so I really don’t know.
Me neither
Has Gentoo stopped being the distro of choice for people with too much time on their hands?
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