We have this issue in my industry. You have to have the (as we say) the golden code to unlock features of a device you already own. The DLC of bullshit.
Neither would I, but the majority of these cars are going into corporate fleets. I’ll have one at the end of the year. I assume corporate isn’t going to pay for the optionals so I’ll be stuck with a crippled car through no choice of my own.
IT in Flanders, Belgium. Company cars are almost a given for white collar jobs and even many blue collar ones here since regular income from work is taxed to high heavens. Companies look for other ways to compensate employees without actually having to raise their base salary. Just recently this shifted to electric-only, so most company fleets now are stopping leases on diesel & gas cars and replacing them with EV’s.
In my area it would take a whole 5 seconds before people either jenk mod it or otherwise jailbreak it. Ive seen VW vans from the 50s with fucking V8 diesel engines around here, folks dont need the guts just the frame.
I heard of a guy who tuned his already 500 hp Benz to get it over 600 (now he is under arrest in my country for street racing).
They also do this a lot with BMWs, e.g. the 318i and 320i engine is the same, so if you just change/hack some software setting on the 318i, you can get more hp out of the same car.
But these are of course the minority of people, and mostly targeting sport cars, not luxury sedans.
They won’t do it themselves, they’ll pay for it. People already do it with brand new ICE cars, they get a performance package from a third party.
Also in 10 years, that $150000 Benz will be a $15000 Benz and owned by someone a fair bit younger than the original owner, probably. Much more likely to get the controller flashed for additional power at that point.
The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.
I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.
Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.
way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.
Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.
Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.
The Nixon Shock was the end of the Bretton Woods system (kinda sorta a gold standard) and the beginning of unlimited inflation we see today. Everything absolutely went to shit after Nixon, especially inequality.
Is gold actually worth something though? Most of it’s value is also just because it lasts a long time and we all think it is valuable. And I disagree that things have gotten worse only since Nixon
Gold has some value from use in corrosion resistant cables, contacts, or telescopes, but it’s mostly just an agreed upon store of value like any other currency
Well… Plenty of cars are actually becoming a rideable PC where “ride” is just an option too. This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.
This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.
It’s criminal. Locking up capabilities of hardware you already bought and trying to extract rents for them is literally no different than a mafia protection racket. These car company execs deserve to go go prison for racketeering.
It’s moneeeyy. That’s all there is to it, money. They finally have an easy way to control what you can or can’t do with the things that (at least on paper) you own.
I just knew this was gonna happen… I warned about these things ever since music/movie subscriptions became a thing. You don’t own a copy of what you (allegidly) bought, thus, it’s not yours.
Now, you do own the thing… at least on paper, but you can’t do much with it unless you pay extra cash to the one who sold it to you, so it can… you know, do the things it’s supposed to do. It’s basically extortion, no matter how you slice it. It’s malware, period.
I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…
In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.
There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.
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Why they just can’t go to a car mechanic and like change that?
We have this issue in my industry. You have to have the (as we say) the golden code to unlock features of a device you already own. The DLC of bullshit.
yeah, but why not just hack it?
A lot of cars already have access ports made by third parties to flash ECU tunes on.
If cars like this become the norm, I’m sure we’ll see a lot more of these to bypass paywalls on your own cars
Never EVER would I buy a car from any manufacturer that does this.
Neither would I, but the majority of these cars are going into corporate fleets. I’ll have one at the end of the year. I assume corporate isn’t going to pay for the optionals so I’ll be stuck with a crippled car through no choice of my own.
What job/country do you work in where you still get a corporate car?
IT in Flanders, Belgium. Company cars are almost a given for white collar jobs and even many blue collar ones here since regular income from work is taxed to high heavens. Companies look for other ways to compensate employees without actually having to raise their base salary. Just recently this shifted to electric-only, so most company fleets now are stopping leases on diesel & gas cars and replacing them with EV’s.
You might not have a choice if they all decide to do it. Companies are actually kinda good at that kind of collective actions sometimes.
It’s jank modding time!! I know nothing about cars but I’m really good at making something resemble working
In my area it would take a whole 5 seconds before people either jenk mod it or otherwise jailbreak it. Ive seen VW vans from the 50s with fucking V8 diesel engines around here, folks dont need the guts just the frame.
Time to break out the bus pirate, o-scope, and soldering iron.
When this becomes the norm. I look to the jailbreak community for hope.
I WILL download a car!
We said that when the Oblivion horse armor released. And look where we are now.
At some point basically everyone will do it and marketing will fo the rest.
All modern problems can be traced back to Ronald Regan and Todd Howard.
Oblivion doesn’t cost $50k+ to buy. If these greedy fuckers think they can RENT me parts of a car I already own, they can go fuck themselves.
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not playing AAA games
sadly though micro transactions have dominated
here’s to hoping we have non bullshit car options in the future
I have never owned or operated a car and this doesn’t really make me want to.
@kaptaan_jack @memes Tesla is the new Apple in innovating/stupid ways to part money from people then to be adopted by wider industry
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It’s time to root cars, it looks like.
The venn diagram of “people who will root a car” and “people who own a $150,000 benz” is 2 circles on opposite sides of the solar system.
My sides are in orbit…
I heard of a guy who tuned his already 500 hp Benz to get it over 600 (now he is under arrest in my country for street racing).
They also do this a lot with BMWs, e.g. the 318i and 320i engine is the same, so if you just change/hack some software setting on the 318i, you can get more hp out of the same car.
But these are of course the minority of people, and mostly targeting sport cars, not luxury sedans.
They won’t do it themselves, they’ll pay for it. People already do it with brand new ICE cars, they get a performance package from a third party.
Also in 10 years, that $150000 Benz will be a $15000 Benz and owned by someone a fair bit younger than the original owner, probably. Much more likely to get the controller flashed for additional power at that point.
And lose all warranty? Nah rather buy a car from someone else
Until they are all doing it
Yea all the 50 year old bankers who drop $100k on an electric benz will surely start rooting their cars tomorrow.
Most old people I’ve worked with in tech are pretty good at hacking shit.
they will just pay a performance shop, its only a matter of time
The engine comes as preinstalled DLC
I would be fine with a slot for my debit card and a huge BOOST BUTTON that cost like a dime to use for 10 s3conds.
Only if the navigation system starts to talk to you about family in Vin Diesel’s voice.
“Ride or die, remember?”
“Your Card Has Been Declined”
“Ride it is.”
Family
Let’s build open source cars.
Or pirate name brand cars.
You wouldn’t download a car
Only due to logistical issues. Metal printers aren’t that good yet.
Takes a one-time membership fee, but you’ll find just about anything on mhhauto.
I mean, there are car builder kits.
The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.
I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.
Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.
I see what you did there.
I’m getting a bicycle because I’m two tired of all these car puns.
At that point it’ll just be a company that doesn’t pay their people lol.
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This is US only at the moment, i didn’t find any offering for EU
Yeah, I was actually just wrong, I found an older article that said it would be against the law in Europe and there were no plans to try it there.
Thanks. Totally staying away from these shitty German cars.
Pay 2 win on a car.
way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.
Too bad that Mercedes makes buses too
It is the right decision for some mass transportation, but you can’t make cars obsolete with public transportation. Especially outside major cities.
Have people completely forgotten about the fucking plague we just had? I’ll take my own box to drive around in, please.
Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.
Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.
Can you at least unlock it later with experience points or in-game currency?
You earn XP by using the turn signals so…. no it’s basically impossible to level up by playing
Six points for every pedestrian you hit? Double for cyclists.
Is money just irl in game currency?
Since Nixon, yes.
What happened then? Gold standard?
The Nixon Shock was the end of the Bretton Woods system (kinda sorta a gold standard) and the beginning of unlimited inflation we see today. Everything absolutely went to shit after Nixon, especially inequality.
Is gold actually worth something though? Most of it’s value is also just because it lasts a long time and we all think it is valuable. And I disagree that things have gotten worse only since Nixon
Sorry if I implied the world in general has only gotten worse since then. I was referring to the money supply and its consequences.
Why do you say “most”?
Gold has some value from use in corrosion resistant cables, contacts, or telescopes, but it’s mostly just an agreed upon store of value like any other currency
Welcome to the world of digital subscriptions boys. It used to be a PC only thing… not any more.
Did it come to PC or Xbox first?
Well, if you count AOL, PC
Well… Plenty of cars are actually becoming a rideable PC where “ride” is just an option too. This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.
It’s criminal. Locking up capabilities of hardware you already bought and trying to extract rents for them is literally no different than a mafia protection racket. These car company execs deserve to go go prison for racketeering.
It’s moneeeyy. That’s all there is to it, money. They finally have an easy way to control what you can or can’t do with the things that (at least on paper) you own.
I just knew this was gonna happen… I warned about these things ever since music/movie subscriptions became a thing. You don’t own a copy of what you (allegidly) bought, thus, it’s not yours.
Now, you do own the thing… at least on paper, but you can’t do much with it unless you pay extra cash to the one who sold it to you, so it can… you know, do the things it’s supposed to do. It’s basically extortion, no matter how you slice it. It’s malware, period.
Money, it’s a crime. Share it fairly but don’t take a slice of my pie.
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If it’s easy enough to actually steal, everyone does it. It’s human nature, we’re greedy by nature.
Next, your artificial heart, watch 60sec ads or it will stop ticking in the next 1 hr
We might be laughing about this now, but I bet someone already is working on something like this.
IOTs are pushing us towards subscription hell-scape. We must demand dumb, non-connected machines and devices.
I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…
In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.
There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.