On the contrary: letting manufacturers extract rents for capabilities that the owner already paid for by virtue of having bought the physical device is the opposite of “ownership,” and that’s the problem here!
Using mass transit is great, but it does nothing to stop this attack on our property rights.
Which is all of them. All of them need to be connected, it’s how they operate now. Most of them have decency to not do shit like that, but that might change at any point
Time to pull up my big boy undies and start riding my bike. That sucker ain’t controlled by anyone but me. <middle finger to the car companies, wobbles down the road on a two-wheeler>
I still own only cars from the '90s and 2000s because of this issue (along with stuff like telemetry spying on you, etc.). However, even if just driving old cars forever works for me, it’s hardly a solution for society in general simply because there aren’t enough old cars for everybody to have one, let alone all the other problems with it.
These companies are trying to destroy our property rights in order to engage in unethical and abusive rentiership. The correct solution is legislative, not just to ignore them and hope they’ll stop!
Yeah, maybe not 100% of them, you are technically correct. For example, some Chinese companies are selling very cheep cars that are basically a reskin of the older cars from 1960th.
I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.
Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.
The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.
We have this issue in my industry. You have to have the (as we say) the golden code to unlock features of a device you already own. The DLC of bullshit.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I think this is basically ok. I mean more power = more drain on the battery and thus they need to make more money to offset the possible increase in Warranty cases. Also this would only really affect a tiny little subset of Buyers.
To what extent could companies wreck my freedom in cars even more? I have heard of heated seats being pay walled, despite the technology to heat the seat being installed in the factory… Computer controlled locking systems where if my key fob breaks I can’t get into my car, or worse, the electronic control system fails and I’m up shit creek without a paddle.
As to education, how can I even learn to repair something like that? My ignorance makes me think soldering may be useful, but how can an individual have greater control on the freedom to repair and own their automobile. The generality of my question lays in my ignorance to the inner workings of most cars.
You have to buy special $3000 computer handhelds that plug into the car and let you interface with it completely. Often you can only buy those with a business account direct from the manufacturer.
You cand do a little bit with OBD II using a $10 Bluetooth dongle and free app. But that’s basically limited to reading and clearing codes.
Everything is paywalled. I’m leasing a less than 2 years old BMW, and now everything is included (e.g. phone app, carplay, guarantee), but after a while these run out, and you have to pay for even navigation.
This is also why I think it’s not worth to buy these cars, lease/rent it at the most. If you want to own smg, buy a reliable Jap/Korean option - when looking at used cars I’ve seen Mazdas hold their value incredibly (unlike the fancy German cars).
I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…
In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.
There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.
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Considering “faster engine” means different tune on the exact same engine nowadays: not much has changed.
Fuck morons who pay this so the corps will continue to do this. They wouldn’t even consider it if people with more money than sense didn’t pay for it. Everything is enshittified until we live in Idiocracy.
What percentage of people do you suppose actually think they’re getting more by paying rather than getting less until they pay? I’m sure a large amount of it is people with enough money to not care, but surely some are just uninformed?
Somebody will figure out how to get past it, even if the manufacturer protests. It’s happened with Iphones, it’s happened with John Deere tractors, it will happen here
Adding power mods to your car is very much mainstream. Its called tuning. You can literally download more power to many existing cars. Especially if they’re already turbocharged.
way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.
Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.
Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.
The Nixon Shock was the end of the Bretton Woods system (kinda sorta a gold standard) and the beginning of unlimited inflation we see today. Everything absolutely went to shit after Nixon, especially inequality.
Is gold actually worth something though? Most of it’s value is also just because it lasts a long time and we all think it is valuable. And I disagree that things have gotten worse only since Nixon
Gold has some value from use in corrosion resistant cables, contacts, or telescopes, but it’s mostly just an agreed upon store of value like any other currency
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This is US only at the moment, i didn’t find any offering for EU
Yeah, I was actually just wrong, I found an older article that said it would be against the law in Europe and there were no plans to try it there.
Just don’t upgrade your firmware so you can jailbreak it later.
I gotta put a Faraday cage around my next car if it’s going to try to connect to the internet.
Or just don’t buy a car that needs to connect to the internet. This is beyond stupid
Virgin car ownership vs chad mass transit
On the contrary: letting manufacturers extract rents for capabilities that the owner already paid for by virtue of having bought the physical device is the opposite of “ownership,” and that’s the problem here!
Using mass transit is great, but it does nothing to stop this attack on our property rights.
Which is all of them. All of them need to be connected, it’s how they operate now. Most of them have decency to not do shit like that, but that might change at any point
Time to pull up my big boy undies and start riding my bike. That sucker ain’t controlled by anyone but me. <middle finger to the car companies, wobbles down the road on a two-wheeler>
I doubt even all new cars require internet connection and there’s a shit ton of older models that don’t either. Definitely not “all of them”
I still own only cars from the '90s and 2000s because of this issue (along with stuff like telemetry spying on you, etc.). However, even if just driving old cars forever works for me, it’s hardly a solution for society in general simply because there aren’t enough old cars for everybody to have one, let alone all the other problems with it.
These companies are trying to destroy our property rights in order to engage in unethical and abusive rentiership. The correct solution is legislative, not just to ignore them and hope they’ll stop!
Yeah, maybe not 100% of them, you are technically correct. For example, some Chinese companies are selling very cheep cars that are basically a reskin of the older cars from 1960th.
Until a hacker decided to disable the brake while you speeding 100mph
Let’s build open source cars.
Or pirate name brand cars.
You wouldn’t download a car
Takes a one-time membership fee, but you’ll find just about anything on mhhauto.
Only due to logistical issues. Metal printers aren’t that good yet.
I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.
Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.
At that point it’ll just be a company that doesn’t pay their people lol.
I see what you did there.
I’m getting a bicycle because I’m two tired of all these car puns.
I mean, there are car builder kits.
The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.
I have never owned or operated a car and this doesn’t really make me want to.
Thanks. Totally staying away from these shitty German cars.
Why they just can’t go to a car mechanic and like change that?
We have this issue in my industry. You have to have the (as we say) the golden code to unlock features of a device you already own. The DLC of bullshit.
A lot of cars already have access ports made by third parties to flash ECU tunes on.
If cars like this become the norm, I’m sure we’ll see a lot more of these to bypass paywalls on your own cars
yeah, but why not just hack it?
This might be an unpopular opinion but I think this is basically ok. I mean more power = more drain on the battery and thus they need to make more money to offset the possible increase in Warranty cases. Also this would only really affect a tiny little subset of Buyers.
That is an unpopular opinion, you should post it in unpopularopnions
To what extent could companies wreck my freedom in cars even more? I have heard of heated seats being pay walled, despite the technology to heat the seat being installed in the factory… Computer controlled locking systems where if my key fob breaks I can’t get into my car, or worse, the electronic control system fails and I’m up shit creek without a paddle.
As to education, how can I even learn to repair something like that? My ignorance makes me think soldering may be useful, but how can an individual have greater control on the freedom to repair and own their automobile. The generality of my question lays in my ignorance to the inner workings of most cars.
You have to buy special $3000 computer handhelds that plug into the car and let you interface with it completely. Often you can only buy those with a business account direct from the manufacturer.
You cand do a little bit with OBD II using a $10 Bluetooth dongle and free app. But that’s basically limited to reading and clearing codes.
What’s with Toyota’s TechStream? What is all that about?
Everything is paywalled. I’m leasing a less than 2 years old BMW, and now everything is included (e.g. phone app, carplay, guarantee), but after a while these run out, and you have to pay for even navigation.
This is also why I think it’s not worth to buy these cars, lease/rent it at the most. If you want to own smg, buy a reliable Jap/Korean option - when looking at used cars I’ve seen Mazdas hold their value incredibly (unlike the fancy German cars).
IOTs are pushing us towards subscription hell-scape. We must demand dumb, non-connected machines and devices.
I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…
In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.
There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.
At this point, if they can get away charging their customer each time they open and close the door, they would.
Aa, I see you are interested in both our Premium Entry and Egress packages? If you subscribe to both now for only $89.99 a month, you will get 200 entries AND exits from your vehicle for free, every month! That’s a distinct savings over the monthly cost of $49.99 for each package individually. Enjoy additional entries and exits for only $1 each, if you go over your limit.
Terms Apply*
*Applicable double penalty for door usage during peak utilization periods, weekends, and holidays. Doors left open will accrue triple penalties after the first 30 seconds, doubling every 30 seconds thereafter. Any attempts to circumvent usage rules forfeits half of remaining door credits; attempts include but not limited to: climbing out windows, busting through walls like kool-aid man, suicide, etc.
Considering “faster engine” means different tune on the exact same engine nowadays: not much has changed.
Fuck morons who pay this so the corps will continue to do this. They wouldn’t even consider it if people with more money than sense didn’t pay for it. Everything is enshittified until we live in Idiocracy.
What percentage of people do you suppose actually think they’re getting more by paying rather than getting less until they pay? I’m sure a large amount of it is people with enough money to not care, but surely some are just uninformed?
Those new Mercs look fucking hideous too
BMW and Mercedes are in a competition to make the ugliest and most user unfriendly cars on the market.
I’m glad someone else noticed, modern cars make me vom!
Everything looks like an early 2000’s Honda now. :(
Honda:
Naw, worse, looks like late 00s Hyundai
Somebody will figure out how to get past it, even if the manufacturer protests. It’s happened with Iphones, it’s happened with John Deere tractors, it will happen here
Voiding your car insurance in the process? That’s never going to become even slightly mainstream.
Warranty, not insurance.
No, I meant insurance. It would sure as hell be void and null if you were to “jailbreak” a car and then crash it into someone.
Are you saying insurers will look for a way to avoid payouts? I’ll believe it when I see it!!
Adding power mods to your car is very much mainstream. Its called tuning. You can literally download more power to many existing cars. Especially if they’re already turbocharged.
way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.
It is the right decision for some mass transportation, but you can’t make cars obsolete with public transportation. Especially outside major cities.
Too bad that Mercedes makes buses too
Have people completely forgotten about the fucking plague we just had? I’ll take my own box to drive around in, please.
Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.
Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.
Can you at least unlock it later with experience points or in-game currency?
Six points for every pedestrian you hit? Double for cyclists.
Is money just irl in game currency?
Since Nixon, yes.
What happened then? Gold standard?
The Nixon Shock was the end of the Bretton Woods system (kinda sorta a gold standard) and the beginning of unlimited inflation we see today. Everything absolutely went to shit after Nixon, especially inequality.
Is gold actually worth something though? Most of it’s value is also just because it lasts a long time and we all think it is valuable. And I disagree that things have gotten worse only since Nixon
Sorry if I implied the world in general has only gotten worse since then. I was referring to the money supply and its consequences.
Why do you say “most”?
Gold has some value from use in corrosion resistant cables, contacts, or telescopes, but it’s mostly just an agreed upon store of value like any other currency
You earn XP by using the turn signals so…. no it’s basically impossible to level up by playing