But you could also theoretically buy that car and own it. If you bought that car no one would say, well, you only paid for the right to drive it temporarily.
Yet another nonsense comparison. If you steal a car, rental or otherwise, the owner won’t have it anymore. If you somehow figure out a way to make an exact duplicate of the car and then return the original, you have not stolen anything.
Exactly! So many authoritarians pretend that every law is sacrosanct to the same degree as the ones against murder and meanwhile we have motherfuckers outlawing water breaks in triple digit degrees weather and mandating discrimination!
Wait, uh oh, is that the sound of sirens? Are they finally coming for me? Nope, it’s just the cops seizing someone’s civil assets at a traffic stop. Another day on the high seas for me.
I’m not in that mindset. Doesn’t mean laws and definitions of words don’t exist law. We can say fuck them and that we don’t care, but they still exist.
I hate DRM. Especially as an open sourcer. If all methods of buying it are DRM’ed I won’t buy it. My wife has Netflix and contribute the same to OpenRightsGroup, who fight DRM, to balance out our karma. I won’t watch Netflix.
But it’s not just media now. A lot of modern device have anti-features and lockout the user. I won’t say owner, because if it’s a computer and your not admin, your not the owner. Car are terrible for this and it rubs right up against Right To Repair. They use this power imbalance to force you to use dealerships. Crazy thing is, the cars modules are also closed black boxes to car manufacturer. I’ve been to car industry talks where automotive engineers complain of this, and everyone is nodding, but they don’t see their own closeness is no better. They want other to be open with them, but don’t want to be open with others.
It’s a terrible state of play. In future, today will be a digital darkage and will only be the pirated and cracked stuff that makes it through. It’s so stupid, shortsighted, anticompetitive and certain amount of just evil.
Most modern day cars don’t even come with CD players anymore and it simply is not as convenient as just making a quick playlist on a streaming service. And you aren’t gonna carry around a Sony Discman while working out at the gym are you💀
And you aren’t gonna carry around a Sony Discman while working out at the gym are you💀
Don’t mind me here with my walkman and cassettes.
But yes the lack of cassette decks and compact disc players in the wild has reached new heights unfortunately, hell they’re getting rid of AUX ports now, the absolute fucking cunts they are! My laptops don’t even have disk drives anymore, I had to get an external one.
Don’t worry I also have a few cassettes and a cassette deck laying around and as much as I would love to go back in time and throw in a good old tape in the car radio, it just ain’t like that anymore you gotta at LEAST bluetooth it in new cars if not Apple Car Play/Android Auto because like you said they are getting rid of Aux ports
In most countries it is legal to rip discs and there are many many tools for that. I have a script, so with a press of a button it is copied in FLAC format to my NAS.
This is the way to actually buy and own music today, with total privacy and without non open source programs.
FOSS only applies to code, you can’t change the source of art. It’s art, you can either own it or just enjoy it (like when you go to museums). You can’t actually change it to the way you like it. You’d have to have and own the DAW’s working mastered project files to make it FOSS compatible. No one does that.
Yea it’s unfortunate. You can watch movies for free on a lotta shady websites though but for music I just settled for Apple Music because it’s the only music streaming service that doesnt have like 5+ trackers according to Exodus and there is no free version with ads so chances of them selling ur data is less than say Spotify would be.
You shouldn’t have to pay for something which there is no scarcity of. A haircut takes time and effort, so you should pay for it. Food is not unlimited, so you should pay for it. Software can be duplicated an unlimited number of times, so you should not have to pay for it. That’s just giving people passive income.
I don’t think this is a great argument. While the greed of corporations is in no doubt, and engage in unethical and annoying behaviour to fleece, us the users, of as much money as possible, work was still required to produce the product.
YouTubers for example work to produce videos, can anyone really claim we shouldn’t have to pay for their work? (sign up for direct support if you can afford it via things like Nebula)
I dunno, seems like a flimsy argument to me.
A better argument is that the companies are shit, fuck them, just steal it if you want to.
Yeah. Sure, people can make yotube videos for fun, code for fun erc. But if you want to do that thing you enjoy full time, it’s just not feasible to not get paid for it.
Yeah no, software is made with the time and effort of the devs. And maintained with the time and effort of the devs. And good software usually reflects experience and skill of said devs and a usually a broader team as well.
Saying something isn’t worth anything just because the end result of the labour can be copy/pasted is insane.
In cases like this, creating artificial scarcity is very important. Without scarcity, no producer would finance new movies because there’s no way to make back their initial investment. So just like with patents, we create artificial scarcity by giving the people who made the movie exclusive rights to decide who can watch it.
Even though scarcity isn’t enforced upon us like with most goods, it’s in literally everyone’s best interest to create (and enforce) that scarcity.
The only thing I would (totally naively and magically) wish for is some kind of really well organized and curated time capsule mainly for movies and music preservation.
I don’t want all the music and movies for myself, I wouldn’t be able to watch/hear it all but I wish for anyone from any time in the future — to have a simple/legal option to just dig anything out, public domain or whatever will work best.
Well, yes. This exist — I am really grateful for that, but… This audio library now contains 15M positions. It is a big number, no doubt about it.
Then, Spotify has over 80M files in the library with around 4M podcasts.
Estimated existing music amount is unclear but around 90-200M and growing all the time.
And suddenly 15M is getting somehow small in terms of preserving, and this is with music only.
With movies I even remember some interviews with Tarantino and Nolan talking about how badly some movies are being mistreated, lost cuts, not even close to proper/safe long time storing, fires, accidents and so on…
One might argue that software developers deserve to be paid fairly for their work.
That argument falls flat, though, when their products include user-hostile misfeatures like performance-ruining DRM and obnoxious in-app advertising, which pirates remove. By including such misfeatures, software companies are basically punishing their customers for not pirating their products.
Why make a version without the restrictive DRM and annoying ads if you don’t agree with the mechanics of restrictive DRM and annoying ads, you say? Hmm, that’s a real puzzler 🤔
internet piracy? i never ever would do such a thing, it is illegal. instead i will pay for 5 streaming services and never own anything. remember, you wouldn’t steal a car.
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You have to pay to use a rental car, but you don’t own it. Do you think that rental cars can’t be stolen?
But you could also theoretically buy that car and own it. If you bought that car no one would say, well, you only paid for the right to drive it temporarily.
You have to pay to use a heated seat now, but you don’t own it. Do you think that heated seats can’t be bypassed?
Yeah things can be stolen even if you don’t/can’t own it. The analogy may be a little off, but whatever gets the message across I guess.
Yet another nonsense comparison. If you steal a car, rental or otherwise, the owner won’t have it anymore. If you somehow figure out a way to make an exact duplicate of the car and then return the original, you have not stolen anything.
While I appreciate the sentiment, theft of service is a crime. You don’t have to be able to own something to be able to steal it.
When evil hides behind legality, there’s no moral imperative for good people to follow laws.
Exactly! So many authoritarians pretend that every law is sacrosanct to the same degree as the ones against murder and meanwhile we have motherfuckers outlawing water breaks in triple digit degrees weather and mandating discrimination!
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According to the law or dictionaries? Yes.
Guess they better lock me up then.
Wait, uh oh, is that the sound of sirens? Are they finally coming for me? Nope, it’s just the cops seizing someone’s civil assets at a traffic stop. Another day on the high seas for me.
What does a lack of enforcement, or other bullshit that the government does, have to do with the fact that OPs post made no sense.
It made sense to me. Try unburdening yourself from this mindset of corporate lordship.
I’m not in that mindset. Doesn’t mean laws and definitions of words don’t exist law. We can say fuck them and that we don’t care, but they still exist.
Jesus, you’re like my wife 🤦.
Correct and not letting you make up definitions or ignore reality just to support a separate point that you agree with?
Sounds like you’re a bad husband.
Sounds like you’re not married.
You do own the service though, or at least the result of it.
I hire someone to build me a garage, I own the garage.
I’ma sell garages with an EULA so all you own is the shelter your garage gave before I deprecated it; How’s that.
When you buy a ticket to see a movie at a theatre, you don’t own the movie.
only very specific series’s of ones and zeros are able to be stolen.
There’s a shorter word for that, it’s “number”
There’s always this guy who’s like, aCtchUaLLy…
Sounds quite evil then, this definition of crime and legality.
Theft of service is stuff like getting a haircut and leaving without paying. No, it’s not evil that there are laws against doing that.
Calling software a service is quite a stretch, though.
I hate DRM. Especially as an open sourcer. If all methods of buying it are DRM’ed I won’t buy it. My wife has Netflix and contribute the same to OpenRightsGroup, who fight DRM, to balance out our karma. I won’t watch Netflix.
But it’s not just media now. A lot of modern device have anti-features and lockout the user. I won’t say owner, because if it’s a computer and your not admin, your not the owner. Car are terrible for this and it rubs right up against Right To Repair. They use this power imbalance to force you to use dealerships. Crazy thing is, the cars modules are also closed black boxes to car manufacturer. I’ve been to car industry talks where automotive engineers complain of this, and everyone is nodding, but they don’t see their own closeness is no better. They want other to be open with them, but don’t want to be open with others.
It’s a terrible state of play. In future, today will be a digital darkage and will only be the pirated and cracked stuff that makes it through. It’s so stupid, shortsighted, anticompetitive and certain amount of just evil.
https://lemmy.world/post/1098344 federated reponst >:(
If you think about it, Lemmy federation itself is just reposting other instances’ content onto your own 😋
You don’t even have to think about it.
In fact, all the “Reeeee! REPOST!” weirdos are doing their very best not to 😉
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You can’t do FOSS with music or movies man.
Buying CD/DVD or digital media can be 100% FOSS. Another issue.
Most modern day cars don’t even come with CD players anymore and it simply is not as convenient as just making a quick playlist on a streaming service. And you aren’t gonna carry around a Sony Discman while working out at the gym are you💀
Don’t mind me here with my walkman and cassettes.
But yes the lack of cassette decks and compact disc players in the wild has reached new heights unfortunately, hell they’re getting rid of AUX ports now, the absolute fucking cunts they are! My laptops don’t even have disk drives anymore, I had to get an external one.
Don’t worry I also have a few cassettes and a cassette deck laying around and as much as I would love to go back in time and throw in a good old tape in the car radio, it just ain’t like that anymore you gotta at LEAST bluetooth it in new cars if not Apple Car Play/Android Auto because like you said they are getting rid of Aux ports
This is true, but I don’t have to be happy about it dammit! Lol
In most countries it is legal to rip discs and there are many many tools for that. I have a script, so with a press of a button it is copied in FLAC format to my NAS. This is the way to actually buy and own music today, with total privacy and without non open source programs.
How is that FOSS, does it come with the mastered version of all the songs in Ardour? Of course not.
You can legally rip it with FOSS
Dude, that’s not the point…
Can you please explain more, because maybe I don’t get it?
FOSS only applies to code, you can’t change the source of art. It’s art, you can either own it or just enjoy it (like when you go to museums). You can’t actually change it to the way you like it. You’d have to have and own the DAW’s working mastered project files to make it FOSS compatible. No one does that.
Yea it’s unfortunate. You can watch movies for free on a lotta shady websites though but for music I just settled for Apple Music because it’s the only music streaming service that doesnt have like 5+ trackers according to Exodus and there is no free version with ads so chances of them selling ur data is less than say Spotify would be.
That’s a great point. The only reason I’m using Spotify is that my sister added me to her family plan so it’s free for me.
But you have convinced me to get Apple Music if ever I’m kicked off😂
Go for it. Better audio quality as well if you got the equipment for it
Big Buck Bunny is the only movie worth watching I guess.
Also Who Framed Roger Rabbit and anything with Bugs Bunny. Basically anything starring a lagomorph but nothing else.
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You shouldn’t have to pay for something which there is no scarcity of. A haircut takes time and effort, so you should pay for it. Food is not unlimited, so you should pay for it. Software can be duplicated an unlimited number of times, so you should not have to pay for it. That’s just giving people passive income.
I don’t think this is a great argument. While the greed of corporations is in no doubt, and engage in unethical and annoying behaviour to fleece, us the users, of as much money as possible, work was still required to produce the product.
YouTubers for example work to produce videos, can anyone really claim we shouldn’t have to pay for their work? (sign up for direct support if you can afford it via things like Nebula)
I dunno, seems like a flimsy argument to me.
A better argument is that the companies are shit, fuck them, just steal it if you want to.
Yeah. Sure, people can make yotube videos for fun, code for fun erc. But if you want to do that thing you enjoy full time, it’s just not feasible to not get paid for it.
Yeah no, software is made with the time and effort of the devs. And maintained with the time and effort of the devs. And good software usually reflects experience and skill of said devs and a usually a broader team as well.
Saying something isn’t worth anything just because the end result of the labour can be copy/pasted is insane.
In cases like this, creating artificial scarcity is very important. Without scarcity, no producer would finance new movies because there’s no way to make back their initial investment. So just like with patents, we create artificial scarcity by giving the people who made the movie exclusive rights to decide who can watch it.
Even though scarcity isn’t enforced upon us like with most goods, it’s in literally everyone’s best interest to create (and enforce) that scarcity.
There’s not actually scarcity if you can pirate movies without consequence. Which you can. Yet movies are still being made.
“Nobody deserves to get paid for creating the games I enjoy”.
The only thing I would (totally naively and magically) wish for is some kind of really well organized and curated time capsule mainly for movies and music preservation.
I don’t want all the music and movies for myself, I wouldn’t be able to watch/hear it all but I wish for anyone from any time in the future — to have a simple/legal option to just dig anything out, public domain or whatever will work best.
People have created some amazing gems.
https://archive.org/details/audio
Well, yes. This exist — I am really grateful for that, but… This audio library now contains 15M positions. It is a big number, no doubt about it.
Then, Spotify has over 80M files in the library with around 4M podcasts.
Estimated existing music amount is unclear but around 90-200M and growing all the time.
And suddenly 15M is getting somehow small in terms of preserving, and this is with music only.
With movies I even remember some interviews with Tarantino and Nolan talking about how badly some movies are being mistreated, lost cuts, not even close to proper/safe long time storing, fires, accidents and so on…
just take my upvote
That’s my upvote now
OUR upvote 🫡
I’m gonna show this to my landlord before I kick his ass
One might argue that software developers deserve to be paid fairly for their work.
That argument falls flat, though, when their products include user-hostile misfeatures like performance-ruining DRM and obnoxious in-app advertising, which pirates remove. By including such misfeatures, software companies are basically punishing their customers for not pirating their products.
Why even pirate the game if you don’t agree with the mechanics?
Why make a version without the restrictive DRM and annoying ads if you don’t agree with the mechanics of restrictive DRM and annoying ads, you say? Hmm, that’s a real puzzler 🤔
À propos stealing, the quote is from https://peoplemaking.games/@[email protected]
internet piracy? i never ever would do such a thing, it is illegal. instead i will pay for 5 streaming services and never own anything. remember, you wouldn’t steal a car.
But would you download a bear? The real question
…what kind of bear?
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pirate pirate pirate pirate pirate let’s pirate let’s pirate let’s pirate pirate
This statement feels so wrong yet also feels so correct. If companies can’t let ppl own what they paid they shouldn’t complain when ppl pirate.