Really though, from what I’ve seen in other discussions surrounding it, it’s a genuine mystery as at the time I’m writing this (and as far as I’m aware), there’s been no further information on what happened with it, why it’s offline, etc. Lots of speculation, but no direct info to go off of.
Block, baby, block. I’ve been blocking tons of communities/magazines I don’t want, and that really helps shape my feed into something I’m not annoyed at.
Lemmy.world is gone forever for me. 😂
If I sign in, it tells me my log in is wrong. Then I sign on the web, it tells me to enter the 2FA code, I have never set up 2FA. Signed up with another email, kept saying captcha was wrong, then just failed and kept saying user already exists. Tried to log in with the new email that it told me it already existed, then it tells me wrong log in. I just gave up
Edit: this has been very bizarre. Resetting the password sometimes works on the mobile browser only, but not on the desktop. Then now it just never works anymore. I already reset the password once and used it to log in, but on apps it gives an “invalid token” error, on the browser it asks me to enter my 2FA code, but I’ve never set that. When I try to reset the password again, nothing happens [email protected] would you be able to take a look at this for me, please? I don’t know if that’s the right way to mention someone. /u/Ruud
Nope. That didn’t work on any app. It only worked on the web browser. I did clear the cache and data on those apps, still didn’t work. That include Jerboa
When you do a clear cache and data on the app, it wipes the app clean and puts it in a “just installed from the apps store” state. Still didn’t work. Not sure what to do. I’ve already signed up for another instance.
it is much more when you look at the entire Threadiverse, e.g all Lemmy and Kbin instances combined, it is even more, at 134.000+ active users (created accounts are inflated due to people spamming bot accounts)
I can’t even estimate the number of reddit accounts I have/had over about 13 years or so, but right now I’m at 1 lemming and when I lost sync for reddit, I had about 8 accounts i regularly used.
@MicroWave IKR! 😎I’ve also subscribed to all of my favorite lemmy/kbin subs and mags too on here, but my feed is a mess now haha 😅 . I think the coming mastodon updates will provide better interfaces for cross service usage. Can’t wait for that feature-set to roll out 🤞!
This is my account on this instance. Jerboa search doesn’t give me a ton of communities when I’m logged into my main lemmy.zip account. And I haven’t figured out a way to load a community manually on mobile that allows me to subscribe with my .zip account, so I add subscriptions infrequently on my laptop.
90% are probably lurkers. But there is a good argument to be made that a lot of the recent growth is from the 9% of contributors on Reddit, and some of the 1% also.
Currently I suspect that much less than 90% here are lurkers, but that should balance out over time just due to how social communities work.
Well I would recommend it since it works, hence the name, shitjustworks lol.
In all seriousness, you can’t start a new platform and simultaneously expect to exclude large segments of potential users. Shitjustworks seems to toe the line better than other instances. They ban spam/bots while still allowing most content.
Generally, I recommend avoiding the top two instances if you are considering creating an account, and I would recommend avoiding beehaw for other reasons. So that leaves you at shitjustworks.
I’d second the recommendation to avoid BeeHaw. That’s where I started when I left Reddit. It’s not bad per se there. I wouldn’t say that they are rude or anything. The big problem is that they’ve decided to defederate from many other Lemmy instances.
In case anyone doesn’t understand federation, imagine if you signed up for an email address and then realized that, because the person running the email service decided so, you can’t email anyone at Gmail.com or Hotmail.com. If you have nobody you want to email there (no Lemmy communities you want to interact with there), then it’s not a problem. However, if you decide you really want to join a community there, it gets difficult.
Individuals can’t block whole instances yet (apart from via a browser extension), once that feature arrives there will be a lot less call for defederation I expect.
I‘m all with you on the beehaw topic, but please keep in mind to recommend smaller instances to newbies, because that‘s what federation is all about. Aside from load distribution (lots of instances are run by individuals or groups on small(ish) machines), you can avoid being independent on single large entities keeping their uptime etc.
TLDR: recommend smaller instances for load distribution to get the best out of a federated world!
I wouldn’t recommend small instances to newbies. New users will likely use the All feed a lot, until they discover the communities they like. And on a small instance the All feed isn’t going to have as many communities in it. Also the experience of searching for communities is worse on a smaller instance.
I think these aren’t problems for experienced users but I don’t think we want to expose newbies to them if we can help it.
Do you mean local communities? If not, I do not understand your statement.
Also: can you explain how searching for communities is worse on smaller instances than on large ones? That does not make sense to me and does not reflect my experience at all.
So the way Lemmy works is that a instance will only know about (and have the content of) a community if a user on that instance is subscribed to it. So when you browse All or search, only those communities that someone on the instance is subscribed to are included in the results. On a smaller instance that’s naturally going to be fewer communities.
Now if you search for a specific community by its URL that the instance doesn’t yet know about, it will actually go and fetch it for the first time. What this looks like to the user though is that the search shows no results, then suddenly 5-10 seconds later the results change and the community appears. Which is not a great UX for someone new. So again on an instance with more people it’s a lot more likely that someone else has already searched for and subscribed to what you’re looking for so that you don’t see that issue
I run my own instance and the one thing I will say is that I don’t see as much content browsing all on my own instance versus all on lemmy.world. Not sure why that is.
Why wouldn’t the All feed have as many communities on small instances? Does federation have to be ‘consensual’?
Also, I noticed I can reply to comments on this thread but not the post itself. Does this have to do with federation or is it a limitation of Jerboa or smthn?
I did try to start with that. My first experience was in may I think and ironically enough, it did not work back then. Probably improved a lot since then.
Not really once you have an account. During the protest lemmy.world and ml were basically unusable though, but either they scaled or people left the servers.
Not to be the fly in the ointment, but you can’t really just add those up and expect that number to be accurate if we’re trying to look at unique users within the fediverse. If I had to hazard a guess, a not-so-insignificant chunk of those probably overlap (i.e. users who have made multiple accounts across several instances). I have made an account across lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, kbin and fedia just as backups in case one instance fails. I might be an extreme case having 4, but pretty sure it’s becoming increasingly common for people to have at least 2 accounts (1 on a different instance).
To be fair, I am sure many people also have multiple accounts on the same instance. I am not sure what is the proportion between people opening accounts for backup like you and people just wanting alt accounts.
With this same logic in mind, I’d assume almost the entire population of lemmynsfw should be disregarded from this count, which is almost certainly majority comprised of people’s porn alts that they want to keep separate from their main accounts.
If anything, I’m betting the population of lemmynsfw is more representative of the number of unique accounts across all instances since there’s really no point in creating more than one porn account.
Yeah I have two accounts. But that’s when lemme.world was kind of crashing because of that update, and I thought I was doing something wrong. So I went to a different instance.
I made a bunch of accounts on a bunch of instances when I first started because I didn’t understand how they were connected. Even now, I’d suggest having one or two on the instances you like and decide which ones work best
Yeah, you’re not wrong. Too bad we don’t have unique user data to know for sure.
That’s why I sorted by active users (users who comment or post, not lurkers) instead to get a more accurate picture with the given data. For example, sh.itjust.works has more users than beehaw.org, but it’s ranked below beehaw because of fewer active users.
I think eventually instances with a lot of duplicate accounts will slowly fall out of the top rankings due to inactivity. That’s why I chose to look at just the top 10.
yeah same, i made an account on 3 instances, since i see some instances being trigger happy with defederating, its just not clear yet which instances will be the most free.
I don’t know if this is counted but it’s also perfectly reasonable to have accounts on defederated instances. So if this is counted that might inflate the numbers a bit.
To be counted as active, you have to have commented or at least liked a post/comment, IIRC. So if you’re hopping around from one login to another within 24 hours and actively engaging on them then yes, you’d be counted more than once in these stats. If you’re just lurking, no.
Yep, due to the uncertainty on the durability of instances, I have created my main user on a small instance to help the distribution but also backups on bigger ones.
I think that Lemmy does need more of the right exposure.
If you search for any Lemmy content on Google or Duck-Duck-Go, you don’t get any good results. This is probably because most people use Apps or secure browsers that don’t allow tracking.
Most likely not feasible, because what the bangs do is passing site:domain.com to the search result. As you know, Lemmy does not have a singular domain name so this won’t work for it. As a matter of fact, there is a bang for Mastodon, but it only searches the biggest instance, mastodon.social.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it’s related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to [email protected]!
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Lemm.ee is omnipresent
And it was created only 9 days ago.
A bit more than that😅
Funny, I got 9 days based on your oldest post! 😄
When did you create lemm.ee? Thanks for all hard work, by the way.
According to my cake day, it was just over 1 month ago now
That’s wild
I just created an account there to avoid some of the lag from all the traffic. I know nothing about this instance, lol.
I’m old enough to remember a simpler time before lemm.ee was in the top 10 largest instances (it was 2 days ago when I signed up)
The sudden death of VLemmy and temporary closing of lemmy.world pushed a bunch of people here I think.
Did the admin say anything or just pulled the plug and vanished?
It’s a lemmystery.
Really though, from what I’ve seen in other discussions surrounding it, it’s a genuine mystery as at the time I’m writing this (and as far as I’m aware), there’s been no further information on what happened with it, why it’s offline, etc. Lots of speculation, but no direct info to go off of.
Indeed, no one has heard anything yet. It’s very strange, I hope the VLemmy admin is ok.
I’m one of em
I’m another!
Time sure flies when you’re having fun!
I’m a lemm.ee veteran! Yup, been here a whole 10 days now.
Same!
All i know is I spend half my time on lemmy/kbin now blocking stuff because it’s just stupid meme after meme after meme.
That wasn’t the case a few weeks ago.
Block, baby, block. I’ve been blocking tons of communities/magazines I don’t want, and that really helps shape my feed into something I’m not annoyed at.
You could also subscribe to the stuff you want and switch your main feed from all to subs. Whitelist instead of blacklist
blacklisting is better though if you like to see things outside of your bubble
That’s a good thing, don’t fear it
Thank you for those posts!
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Lemmy.world is gone forever for me. 😂 If I sign in, it tells me my log in is wrong. Then I sign on the web, it tells me to enter the 2FA code, I have never set up 2FA. Signed up with another email, kept saying captcha was wrong, then just failed and kept saying user already exists. Tried to log in with the new email that it told me it already existed, then it tells me wrong log in. I just gave up
Edit: this has been very bizarre. Resetting the password sometimes works on the mobile browser only, but not on the desktop. Then now it just never works anymore. I already reset the password once and used it to log in, but on apps it gives an “invalid token” error, on the browser it asks me to enter my 2FA code, but I’ve never set that. When I try to reset the password again, nothing happens [email protected] would you be able to take a look at this for me, please? I don’t know if that’s the right way to mention someone. /u/Ruud
If you reset your password then you can log in
Nope. That didn’t work on any app. It only worked on the web browser. I did clear the cache and data on those apps, still didn’t work. That include Jerboa
Yes it works only on web browser then you can log in and dissable 2FA
Not anymore :(
Wait, it worked. Wow, took two days. Lol
Only after they lend you some money which you will pay back with interest because you are in fact a prince
You need to clear your cookies for Lemmy.world
CTRL-SHIFT-R if you’re not wanting to clear all your cookies (it clears the browser cache and reloads).
It took a little bit, and a few tries, but it worked for me.
It works fine on the browser now after resetting the password, but not on any of the apps period. Tried everything.
On apps, you generally need to log out and back in again, which seemed to work for me.
Don’t trust the app saying that you’re already logged out, try removing the account (if you can), and logging back in again.
When you do a clear cache and data on the app, it wipes the app clean and puts it in a “just installed from the apps store” state. Still didn’t work. Not sure what to do. I’ve already signed up for another instance.
I already did that. Didn’t work
it is much more when you look at the entire Threadiverse, e.g all Lemmy and Kbin instances combined, it is even more, at 134.000+ active users (created accounts are inflated due to people spamming bot accounts)
(source: https://fedidb.org)
How many if you include kbin?
But remember too some people have multiple accounts and are active across at least 2.
I have 4 on lemmy and 1 on kbin and I have posted on all 5 in the past week.
I can’t even estimate the number of reddit accounts I have/had over about 13 years or so, but right now I’m at 1 lemming and when I lost sync for reddit, I had about 8 accounts i regularly used.
Kbin adds another 63k.
Impressive
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Lemmy.nz here
I think it is cool that it is coming up on nearly 2 million across all ~1200 instances.
Kia ora from another lemmy.nz user :)
@absGeekNZ @MicroWave very nice! also, greetings from mastodon!
So cool that you commented from mastodon.
@MicroWave IKR! 😎I’ve also subscribed to all of my favorite lemmy/kbin subs and mags too on here, but my feed is a mess now haha 😅 . I think the coming mastodon updates will provide better interfaces for cross service usage. Can’t wait for that feature-set to roll out 🤞!
That’s great! I should play around with subscribing to lemmy with my mastodon account.
@MicroWave Definitely give it a try! Just don’t go too wild with subs like I made the mistake of doing 🤣
Some users have accounts on more than a single instance, some instances may be malicious, home to just spam/bot accounts.
Things are looking promising, but it’s still early.
This is my account on this instance. Jerboa search doesn’t give me a ton of communities when I’m logged into my main lemmy.zip account. And I haven’t figured out a way to load a community manually on mobile that allows me to subscribe with my .zip account, so I add subscriptions infrequently on my laptop.
If you only include active last month, we are are at about 70k active users. Active meaning posted or commented.
If you assume 90% are lurking and not active, then that value can be as high as 700k. But likely 2M is off target.
90-9-1 rule says that you may in fact be correct.
90% are probably lurkers. But there is a good argument to be made that a lot of the recent growth is from the 9% of contributors on Reddit, and some of the 1% also.
Currently I suspect that much less than 90% here are lurkers, but that should balance out over time just due to how social communities work.
You’re likely correct on all of your assumptions, in my opinion :)
That number contains a huge number of bots. The active users number is a much better way to track the growth of the Threadiverse.
Of the top five, sh.itjust.works seems to be the best. Definitely the instance that I would recommend to new users.
Why is that?
Because that’s where the most active NCD community is.
Well I would recommend it since it works, hence the name, shitjustworks lol.
In all seriousness, you can’t start a new platform and simultaneously expect to exclude large segments of potential users. Shitjustworks seems to toe the line better than other instances. They ban spam/bots while still allowing most content.
Generally, I recommend avoiding the top two instances if you are considering creating an account, and I would recommend avoiding beehaw for other reasons. So that leaves you at shitjustworks.
I’d second the recommendation to avoid BeeHaw. That’s where I started when I left Reddit. It’s not bad per se there. I wouldn’t say that they are rude or anything. The big problem is that they’ve decided to defederate from many other Lemmy instances.
In case anyone doesn’t understand federation, imagine if you signed up for an email address and then realized that, because the person running the email service decided so, you can’t email anyone at Gmail.com or Hotmail.com. If you have nobody you want to email there (no Lemmy communities you want to interact with there), then it’s not a problem. However, if you decide you really want to join a community there, it gets difficult.
I left BeeHaw and signed up for Lemmy.world.
I don’t understand the big push to defederate from other instances when individual users can block instances as they please.
Individuals can’t block whole instances yet (apart from via a browser extension), once that feature arrives there will be a lot less call for defederation I expect.
I didn’t know that. Thank you for clarifying.
I‘m all with you on the beehaw topic, but please keep in mind to recommend smaller instances to newbies, because that‘s what federation is all about. Aside from load distribution (lots of instances are run by individuals or groups on small(ish) machines), you can avoid being independent on single large entities keeping their uptime etc.
TLDR: recommend smaller instances for load distribution to get the best out of a federated world!
I wouldn’t recommend small instances to newbies. New users will likely use the All feed a lot, until they discover the communities they like. And on a small instance the All feed isn’t going to have as many communities in it. Also the experience of searching for communities is worse on a smaller instance.
I think these aren’t problems for experienced users but I don’t think we want to expose newbies to them if we can help it.
Do you mean local communities? If not, I do not understand your statement.
Also: can you explain how searching for communities is worse on smaller instances than on large ones? That does not make sense to me and does not reflect my experience at all.
So the way Lemmy works is that a instance will only know about (and have the content of) a community if a user on that instance is subscribed to it. So when you browse All or search, only those communities that someone on the instance is subscribed to are included in the results. On a smaller instance that’s naturally going to be fewer communities.
Now if you search for a specific community by its URL that the instance doesn’t yet know about, it will actually go and fetch it for the first time. What this looks like to the user though is that the search shows no results, then suddenly 5-10 seconds later the results change and the community appears. Which is not a great UX for someone new. So again on an instance with more people it’s a lot more likely that someone else has already searched for and subscribed to what you’re looking for so that you don’t see that issue
I run my own instance and the one thing I will say is that I don’t see as much content browsing all on my own instance versus all on lemmy.world. Not sure why that is.
Why wouldn’t the All feed have as many communities on small instances? Does federation have to be ‘consensual’?
Also, I noticed I can reply to comments on this thread but not the post itself. Does this have to do with federation or is it a limitation of Jerboa or smthn?
(Also - TIL feddit.it is located in Finland!? 😅)
All is based on every community that someone subscribed to on an instance, so smaller instances generally have less communities.
I did try to start with that. My first experience was in may I think and ironically enough, it did not work back then. Probably improved a lot since then.
I’m currently starting out on Lemmy.world, any reason to switch over?
Not really once you have an account. During the protest lemmy.world and ml were basically unusable though, but either they scaled or people left the servers.
lemmy.ca has a Dutch flag?
Hosted on a dutch server.
Is it though?
No it’s not, I read down the thread further and found lemmy.ca devs saying it’s hosted in Quebec on OVH. Something about CloudFlare redirect.
Not to be the fly in the ointment, but you can’t really just add those up and expect that number to be accurate if we’re trying to look at unique users within the fediverse. If I had to hazard a guess, a not-so-insignificant chunk of those probably overlap (i.e. users who have made multiple accounts across several instances). I have made an account across lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, kbin and fedia just as backups in case one instance fails. I might be an extreme case having 4, but pretty sure it’s becoming increasingly common for people to have at least 2 accounts (1 on a different instance).
To be fair, I am sure many people also have multiple accounts on the same instance. I am not sure what is the proportion between people opening accounts for backup like you and people just wanting alt accounts.
With this same logic in mind, I’d assume almost the entire population of lemmynsfw should be disregarded from this count, which is almost certainly majority comprised of people’s porn alts that they want to keep separate from their main accounts.
Hey, I resemble that remark…
If anything, I’m betting the population of lemmynsfw is more representative of the number of unique accounts across all instances since there’s really no point in creating more than one porn account.
Pfft, I’m horny on main 24/7 baby
Yeah I have two accounts. But that’s when lemme.world was kind of crashing because of that update, and I thought I was doing something wrong. So I went to a different instance.
I made a bunch of accounts on a bunch of instances when I first started because I didn’t understand how they were connected. Even now, I’d suggest having one or two on the instances you like and decide which ones work best
Yeah, you’re not wrong. Too bad we don’t have unique user data to know for sure.
That’s why I sorted by active users (users who comment or post, not lurkers) instead to get a more accurate picture with the given data. For example, sh.itjust.works has more users than beehaw.org, but it’s ranked below beehaw because of fewer active users.
I think eventually instances with a lot of duplicate accounts will slowly fall out of the top rankings due to inactivity. That’s why I chose to look at just the top 10.
yeah same, i made an account on 3 instances, since i see some instances being trigger happy with defederating, its just not clear yet which instances will be the most free.
I don’t know if this is counted but it’s also perfectly reasonable to have accounts on defederated instances. So if this is counted that might inflate the numbers a bit.
I wonder how many of these are unique? I’m sure that many, like myself, have created accounts on more than 1 instance.
To be counted as active, you have to have commented or at least liked a post/comment, IIRC. So if you’re hopping around from one login to another within 24 hours and actively engaging on them then yes, you’d be counted more than once in these stats. If you’re just lurking, no.
Yep, due to the uncertainty on the durability of instances, I have created my main user on a small instance to help the distribution but also backups on bigger ones.
Everybody needs at least two. One for regular interaction, and another for porn. I mean for science.
I feel called out.
Research!
“culture”
Culture and science.
I’m guessing most of the Beehaws at least have duplicates since they cut themselves off.
Why did they do that?
As a protective measure when lemmy.world got exploited.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but that’s looking to have been a prudent option if they wanted to avoid bad actors at all costs.
Doing course correction in fixing social media is a long game. It’ll take a while, and there’ll be turbulence, but this is a great start
I think that Lemmy does need more of the right exposure.
If you search for any Lemmy content on Google or Duck-Duck-Go, you don’t get any good results. This is probably because most people use Apps or secure browsers that don’t allow tracking.
Maybe Duck-Duck-Go need to have a !bang search modifier for Lemmy. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs
Most likely not feasible, because what the bangs do is passing
site:domain.comto the search result. As you know, Lemmy does not have a singular domain name so this won’t work for it. As a matter of fact, there is a bang for Mastodon, but it only searches the biggest instance, mastodon.social.