I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.
So far, that’s not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn’t work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It’s only been 3 days, so I’ll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.
If you have a signed NDA contract then technically you are controlled by that contract. You could say if any admin signs it, then that admin is controlled by meta. If the head admin signed it, then lemmy.world would be controlled by meta in a legal sense. Not fully controlled, just contractually controlled in part(or secretly full and they wouldn’t be allowed to say).
Just so you know, these things play out in micro steps where people are never outraged enough to take meaningful action. You can drag out a takeover to take decades if you want.
The only point that matters is meta is evil, anyone that has any voluntary meaningful interaction with them is complicit, we should shun the complicit or we become complicit.(within reason and civilly of course)
The only realistic thing that the NDA could have contained was stipulations around leaking details about Threads. Who cares. Some admins probably wanted an inside look so they agreed to not leak any details. That does nothing to put their instances under the control of Meta. Yeah sure the admins are “controlled by the contract”… to not share any secrets about Threads. Again who cares.
People dreaming up scenarios about the NDAs including clauses that let Meta control instances or their admins are delusional. As someone working in tech I sign NDAs all the time when I visit my friend’s companies. It doesn’t mean they have any control over me besides stopping me from leaking stuff that I see inside the company.
And we haven’t even gotten to the part where we’ve actually established that someone did or did not have a conversation never mind whether anyone signed an NDA so my question remains, unaltered and unanswered.
Why hasn’t the there been an announcement when we repeatedly ask for confirmation? If he signed the NDA then they legally cant talk, and that seems to be happening now.
You don’t know what an NDA is lol, NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement, it’s very specifically tied to the things they’re revealing to you, Threads NDA means you can’t talk about what they’re telling you about Threads in that specific meeting, it has NOTHING to do with Lemmy.
Having admins knowing what they’re planning isn’t bad IMO, they more you know, the better you can counteract them.
Actually, it was my first home before I started my own instance and I still maintain a presence here.
And, seeing as you said you would answer any questions in this thread and then subsequently blew of my legitimate question with a snarky remark, well, I think that’s a clear sign of where this thread is going.
What is your biggest concern for communication between Lenny.world admins and Meta?
I suppose the worst case scenario is Meta buying lemmy.world to run as their Reddit equivalent. It is the big dog of Lemmy (larger than the rest of the instances combined) so would be the obvious target.
I’m not aware of anything that would stop an ordinary instance admin from selling out to a corporate entity other than the users leaving but lemmy.world is run by mastodon.world a well-established non-profit and I assume they are set up in such a way to make it impossible to sell any of the .world instances. However, I am not on one of their instances so never needed to check.
If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.
That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.
They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)
There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.
There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.
Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.
Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.
The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn’t want details of their new product leaking out before launch.
All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.
Ruud has been transparent AF about everything that I care about. I for one hope they did attend the meeting NDA or not so they can make informed decisions.
Idgaf about threads up *untill the point where it affects me or the server I’m on. As far as I’m concerned, ruud is a fine judge of that.
Basically the 800 lb gorilla has come into our neighborhood and decided to build a giant complex next door. He’s requested a meeting with our landlord whether he attends or not it’s none of our business. If shit gets hairy we move.
It’s the beauty of not farming karma, I’m not particularly stuck to this account on this instance.
Fwiw, after lemmy.ml announced last week that they would preemptively block/defed anything owned by Meta, and lemmy.world didn’t, I got the heebie-jeebies and relocated my main account to .ml. I’ve learned to listen to little red flags like that and now this.
Edit: just to add that it might be nothing. I hope it’s nothing and that I’m overreacting. But…
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Can we not pm each other here? Why not just ask him directly without the public spectacle?
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Nah bruv, you’ve my attention.
I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.
“you can do what you want”
So far, that’s not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn’t work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It’s only been 3 days, so I’ll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.
I love conspiracy theorists.
(Default assumption is “conspiracy theorist” when people show up making claims without bringing receipts.)
Care to provide evidence of this?
Uh…
To put it simply, so what?
If you have a signed NDA contract then technically you are controlled by that contract. You could say if any admin signs it, then that admin is controlled by meta. If the head admin signed it, then lemmy.world would be controlled by meta in a legal sense. Not fully controlled, just contractually controlled in part(or secretly full and they wouldn’t be allowed to say).
Just so you know, these things play out in micro steps where people are never outraged enough to take meaningful action. You can drag out a takeover to take decades if you want.
The only point that matters is meta is evil, anyone that has any voluntary meaningful interaction with them is complicit, we should shun the complicit or we become complicit.(within reason and civilly of course)
The only realistic thing that the NDA could have contained was stipulations around leaking details about Threads. Who cares. Some admins probably wanted an inside look so they agreed to not leak any details. That does nothing to put their instances under the control of Meta. Yeah sure the admins are “controlled by the contract”… to not share any secrets about Threads. Again who cares.
People dreaming up scenarios about the NDAs including clauses that let Meta control instances or their admins are delusional. As someone working in tech I sign NDAs all the time when I visit my friend’s companies. It doesn’t mean they have any control over me besides stopping me from leaking stuff that I see inside the company.
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Holy shit the amount of paranoia in this thread is terrifying. I good y’all are taking care of yourselves out there.
And we haven’t even gotten to the part where we’ve actually established that someone did or did not have a conversation never mind whether anyone signed an NDA so my question remains, unaltered and unanswered.
Why hasn’t the there been an announcement when we repeatedly ask for confirmation? If he signed the NDA then they legally cant talk, and that seems to be happening now.
You have to use your mind. Come up with some great idea like that…
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Conspiracy just pours out of you, eh? If that’s all you have to operate with then be wrong twice over for the same price.
You don’t know what an NDA is lol, NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement, it’s very specifically tied to the things they’re revealing to you, Threads NDA means you can’t talk about what they’re telling you about Threads in that specific meeting, it has NOTHING to do with Lemmy.
Having admins knowing what they’re planning isn’t bad IMO, they more you know, the better you can counteract them.
To put it bluntly, IDGAF. Crybabies lol
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Actually, it was my first home before I started my own instance and I still maintain a presence here.
And, seeing as you said you would answer any questions in this thread and then subsequently blew of my legitimate question with a snarky remark, well, I think that’s a clear sign of where this thread is going.
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What is the big step about shutting down a 1 week old account?
That’s literally my only question. Why is this such a big deal, now?
This was put to bed weeks ago on a Mastodon thread that included all the big MastoAdmims.
https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/110599608755384963
Wow, this some decent drama. What is your biggest concern for communication between Lenny.world admins and Meta?
I suppose the worst case scenario is Meta buying lemmy.world to run as their Reddit equivalent. It is the big dog of Lemmy (larger than the rest of the instances combined) so would be the obvious target.
I’m not aware of anything that would stop an ordinary instance admin from selling out to a corporate entity other than the users leaving but lemmy.world is run by mastodon.world a well-established non-profit and I assume they are set up in such a way to make it impossible to sell any of the .world instances. However, I am not on one of their instances so never needed to check.
I think folks would like some actual evidence before bandwagoning.
Though good on you for starting your own instance ^.^
If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.
That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.
They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)
There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.
There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.
Stop spreading FUD based on nothing.
Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.
Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.
The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn’t want details of their new product leaking out before launch.
All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.
Ruud has been transparent AF about everything that I care about. I for one hope they did attend the meeting NDA or not so they can make informed decisions.
Idgaf about threads up *untill the point where it affects me or the server I’m on. As far as I’m concerned, ruud is a fine judge of that.
Basically the 800 lb gorilla has come into our neighborhood and decided to build a giant complex next door. He’s requested a meeting with our landlord whether he attends or not it’s none of our business. If shit gets hairy we move.
It’s the beauty of not farming karma, I’m not particularly stuck to this account on this instance.
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I’m having a hard time understanding why anyone should care about this at all?
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Wow, that’s it?
this was about as informative as u/spez’s Reddit AMA about third party apps.
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Fwiw, after lemmy.ml announced last week that they would preemptively block/defed anything owned by Meta, and lemmy.world didn’t, I got the heebie-jeebies and relocated my main account to .ml. I’ve learned to listen to little red flags like that and now this.
Edit: just to add that it might be nothing. I hope it’s nothing and that I’m overreacting. But…
So dramatic lol
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Kid named FUD tactics…