Stop posting cringe, it’s insane to care this much about a non-problem. You don’t have to subscribe to world if quality changes, or even be on the fediverse, or online!
You’re enjoying this place so much you’ll start a bunch of drama Alex jones style to save it? Oof.
OP’s claims being verifiable or not, can we all agree that Meta’s interests aren’t benevolent toward competing competitors and their technology? The fact that is even a hint of a reason that admins of lemmy.world had a clandestine meeting with Meta would be concerning. OP’s logic is sound, and if the lemmy.world admins didn’t meet with Meta, they could state as much and dispel the possibility. Or they could entirely lie about it if no NDA was signed, but they haven’t responded to that question which is concerning.
If the admins of lemmy.world struck a deal with meta, maybe agreed to a payment, who knows what a deal like that would look like, would you all still feel comfortable using it as your home instance?
It wasn’t any of the admins. Someone just got a hold of a real world JWT token of one of the admins and XSSed all over the Meta’s sidebar at the meeting.
You are the only person I’ve seen talk about this supposed meeting - I’m all for transparency but they don’t really need to make a response especially when that one guy is saying “trust me bro”.
They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)
There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.
There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.
Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.
Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.
The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn’t want details of their new product leaking out before launch.
All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.
Who said anything about stop using Lemmy? The beauty of Lemmy is that you can just switch instances if you don’t like what the admins at your current instance are doing.
Not that I’m advocating you do that right now based on this post, though you might consider it to spread the load away from the lemmy.world server.
What will switching achieve exactly? Mmm? If the communities you’re interested in are only on lemmy.world, you’ll still be on lemmy.world, even if through other instance proxy.
You’re clearly not getting into the spirit of the current mass hysteria and/or witch-hunt. I’m going to have to ask you to either pick up a torch and/or a pitchfork (note that picking up only one of the two will immediately indicate insufficient hysteria, though you are of course free to do so) and join that queue over there in a disorderly fashion.
Alright folks, I want to see a nice orderly queue. Pitchforks are at station one, sign one out with either Mandy or Greg(wave to the folks, guys). Station two is where you can pick up a torch. Jeff and Kenny will help you out over at station two.
After getting your torch and pitchfork, please proceed to the staging area, Steph will get you all in position, and get your torches lit.
Alright guys! Enjoy your rabid mob!
If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.
That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.
I feel that it is important for you substantiate your claims or credibility to some extent before making potentially inflammatory moves - if you want the community to question the lemmy.world team, that is.
Based on allegations from a random internet person, with nothing to substantiate their claims, about a meeting that may or may not have taken place, where it’s being assumed that Lemmy.world’s admin has ill intent.
Q anon people have more reliable information than this.
If you’re still using this account, I run my own. If you set up a domain and $5 Linode, just spin one up and follow the Ansible instructions. Setting up Lemmy was SHOCKINGLY easy for all the shit Lemmy is actually responsible for handling.
I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this.
This is the primary thing you are asking people to do. Literally everything else you said hinges on people blindly trusting you.
I understand wanting to protect your sources. But you’re taking it to the other extreme by providing literally nothing except unprovable claims. Give us something, anything, even an easily faked email or pm. Just anything that requires even the slightest bit of effort beyond just typing up straight lies.
You want them to be transparent about whether they attended a meeting, but you refuse to be transparent as to why you know they even went to the meeting at all?
I will not ask my fellow lemmy community members to blindly trust me on this
But you are, so … 🤷♂️
Are you basing your claim solely on the email that [email protected] shared, which mentioned no other mastodon server admins, or is there other evidence that you are aware of?
You don’t seem to be aware of the meaning of that link. If people got approached to sign a contract to not be legally allowed to talk about the contract or meeting, then its very strong evidence that lemmy.world admins have signed the agreement.
OPs claims are logical. I don’t care about the anecdote of someone dobbing someone in, just the hard logic that NDA signers can’t talk about it legally.
All that email shows evidence of is that a representative of Meta approached the server admin of fosstodon.org and proposed a sit-down. That’s literally all it is.
There is no mention of 1) who else was invited, or 2) who else attended, 3) that an NDA would need to be signed, and (perhaps most importantly) 4) that the proposed discussion even happened in the first place.
Apparently the admins at Universodon had no problem putting this drama to rest weeks ago:
The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well.
https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600321409021802
There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.
The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.
I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.
So far, that’s not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn’t work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It’s only been 3 days, so I’ll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.
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Wow, that’s it?
this was about as informative as u/spez’s Reddit AMA about third party apps.
Stop posting cringe, it’s insane to care this much about a non-problem. You don’t have to subscribe to world if quality changes, or even be on the fediverse, or online!
You’re enjoying this place so much you’ll start a bunch of drama Alex jones style to save it? Oof.
c/QuitYourBullshit lol
OP’s claims being verifiable or not, can we all agree that Meta’s interests aren’t benevolent toward competing competitors and their technology? The fact that is even a hint of a reason that admins of lemmy.world had a clandestine meeting with Meta would be concerning. OP’s logic is sound, and if the lemmy.world admins didn’t meet with Meta, they could state as much and dispel the possibility. Or they could entirely lie about it if no NDA was signed, but they haven’t responded to that question which is concerning.
If the admins of lemmy.world struck a deal with meta, maybe agreed to a payment, who knows what a deal like that would look like, would you all still feel comfortable using it as your home instance?
It wasn’t any of the admins. Someone just got a hold of a real world JWT token of one of the admins and XSSed all over the Meta’s sidebar at the meeting.
You are the only person I’ve seen talk about this supposed meeting - I’m all for transparency but they don’t really need to make a response especially when that one guy is saying “trust me bro”.
I’m having a hard time understanding why anyone should care about this at all?
They signed an NDA so they probably can’t talk about it. Which sucks. (This is known because the larger mastodon servers were approached and the lemmy.world admin runs mastodon.world which is one of the biggest mastodon servers)
There’s been reports of people being in the ML/Ai industry asked to sign NDA’s by facebook and then essentially told to sit around and do nothing to essentially hold their competition captive.
There is no evidence that the proposed meeting even took place or which admins were invited, let alone that attendees would be required to sign an NDA.
Stop spreading FUD based on nothing.
Its not based on nothing. Its based on reports from multiple mastodon admins and assumed since the lemmy.world/mastodon.world admin is a huge server admin and is yet to deny signing any NDA like others have.
Its clearly not evidence but I’ll take his silence as a warrant canary not being updated until he states he hasn’t signed an NDA.
The evidence is fairly nondescript, though. At the very most, assuming that the rumors are true and an NDA was signed, the most likely explanation for that is that Meta didn’t want details of their new product leaking out before launch.
All this conjecture and insinuation that Mastodon.World admins have done something underhand/shady is just hysterical nonsense.
I’m supposed to stop using Lemmy because some random user with no evidence said that one of the admins went to a meeting?
I got mad at Lex Luger for the same thing in 1993. Until I found out it was Tatanka who sold out.
Who said anything about stop using Lemmy? The beauty of Lemmy is that you can just switch instances if you don’t like what the admins at your current instance are doing.
Not that I’m advocating you do that right now based on this post, though you might consider it to spread the load away from the lemmy.world server.
What will switching achieve exactly? Mmm? If the communities you’re interested in are only on lemmy.world, you’ll still be on lemmy.world, even if through other instance proxy.
You’re clearly not getting into the spirit of the current mass hysteria and/or witch-hunt. I’m going to have to ask you to either pick up a torch and/or a pitchfork (note that picking up only one of the two will immediately indicate insufficient hysteria, though you are of course free to do so) and join that queue over there in a disorderly fashion.
I miss pitchfork guy and his assistant…
Igor! If I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times! Scalpels go on the left, with the pitchforks!
Alright folks, I want to see a nice orderly queue. Pitchforks are at station one, sign one out with either Mandy or Greg(wave to the folks, guys). Station two is where you can pick up a torch. Jeff and Kenny will help you out over at station two. After getting your torch and pitchfork, please proceed to the staging area, Steph will get you all in position, and get your torches lit.
Alright guys! Enjoy your rabid mob!
The audacity
*it’s spelled “Audible”, don’t you remember the secret sponsorship meeting we all had with Amazon?
If we take you at your word, one lemmy.world admin didn’t disclose one meeting they had with Meta - and from the sounds of it, you don’t even know the nature of the meeting itself. It could very well be a long meeting where they expressed interest in federating with Threads, or it could be a very short meeting where they said “lmfao go fuck yourselves”.
That and you practically going on like “lemmy bros I don’t want you to blindly follow me but Imma make my own Fediverse instance but it’s ok you don’t need to join but just know Imma make an instance with blackjack and hookers it’s gonna be better than this just blindly trust me bro” in some of the posts here just further weakens your accusation.
How do you know this?
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I feel that it is important for you substantiate your claims or credibility to some extent before making potentially inflammatory moves - if you want the community to question the lemmy.world team, that is.
“Use your judgment”
Based on allegations from a random internet person, with nothing to substantiate their claims, about a meeting that may or may not have taken place, where it’s being assumed that Lemmy.world’s admin has ill intent.
Q anon people have more reliable information than this.
If you’re still using this account, I run my own. If you set up a domain and $5 Linode, just spin one up and follow the Ansible instructions. Setting up Lemmy was SHOCKINGLY easy for all the shit Lemmy is actually responsible for handling.
This is the primary thing you are asking people to do. Literally everything else you said hinges on people blindly trusting you.
I understand wanting to protect your sources. But you’re taking it to the other extreme by providing literally nothing except unprovable claims. Give us something, anything, even an easily faked email or pm. Just anything that requires even the slightest bit of effort beyond just typing up straight lies.
That’s a pretty long-winded way to try to make hot air grow solid.
You want them to be transparent about whether they attended a meeting, but you refuse to be transparent as to why you know they even went to the meeting at all?
But you are, so … 🤷♂️
Are you basing your claim solely on the email that [email protected] shared, which mentioned no other mastodon server admins, or is there other evidence that you are aware of?
You don’t seem to be aware of the meaning of that link. If people got approached to sign a contract to not be legally allowed to talk about the contract or meeting, then its very strong evidence that lemmy.world admins have signed the agreement.
OPs claims are logical. I don’t care about the anecdote of someone dobbing someone in, just the hard logic that NDA signers can’t talk about it legally.
There’s pretty strong speculation, and it’s not unreasonable, but there’s zero evidence of anything.
All that email shows evidence of is that a representative of Meta approached the server admin of fosstodon.org and proposed a sit-down. That’s literally all it is.
There is no mention of 1) who else was invited, or 2) who else attended, 3) that an NDA would need to be signed, and (perhaps most importantly) 4) that the proposed discussion even happened in the first place.
Talk about jumping to conclusions.
Apparently the admins at Universodon had no problem putting this drama to rest weeks ago:
The nda wasn’t because of some absurd agreement but just the fact they’re launching a new project and we’re getting access to engineers and product team to discuss what the relationship could be. And they went well. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600321409021802
There was no deal signing or any bullshit like that - that’s all fake news.
The nda is because none of this stuff is released and it’s up to meta to share details or admins to join the ongoing calls to learn in advance of launch what is going on.
I don’t know why this blew up like it did.
It’s admins doing due diligence ahead of a major product launch and getting access to engineers on the teams making it happen. https://universeodon.com/@supernovae/110600310078347561
I will not expose my sources BUT OTHERS SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT
Ok, I don’t trust you.
Isn’t it because other instances were asked to do the same and revealed that fact?
I think folks would like some actual evidence before bandwagoning.
Though good on you for starting your own instance ^.^
Kid named FUD tactics…
Can we not pm each other here? Why not just ask him directly without the public spectacle?
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I think it took a lot of courage to do what you did. Good luck to you and as for the admins, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are the biggest instance so they have to weigh in all options. This is the beauty of the fediverse, you can do what you want.
“you can do what you want”
So far, that’s not been my experience. I tried deleting my lemmy.world instance/account but it didn’t work. I posted to lemmy.world Support and have not received any response https://lemmy.world/post/1230305. It’s only been 3 days, so I’ll give it some more time. Though I thought I would at least get a reply acknowledging receipt. The only response to my post was another person experiencing the same problem.
Nah bruv, you’ve my attention.