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It is. Just like fascism, these are terms associated with the right-wing. But that’s not my point… My point is that whatever affiliation the right or left had in the past does not necessarily represent the current affiliations. The fact that the US right-wing is turning to white supremacy is unrelated to Nazis being right wing. That is just a reflection of their systemic racism.
What I’m saying is that it is irrelevant if Republicans are trying to associate the left with Nazis, because even if such association existed, it is not a valid argument to say that the left today is ruled by Nazis, or that the right can’t behave like Nazis. That’s just a fallacy, the same fallacy that they use to point out that voting left will turn us into North Korea or an authoritarian left-wing dictatorship.
I can’t believe people aren’t getting this. It’s like they don’t understand I’m actually pro-left with this argument, somehow they think I’m protecting Nazis and Republicans because I’m not shouting “REPUBLICANS BAD!”
Going back and pointing out how Nazis were right-wing is something that will bite the left in the ass because there are plenty of examples of the left turning into shit too. So instead of comparing with past examples, just analyze their current positions. Is the right currently behaving like Nazis? Yes. Do you need WWII Nazis to be right wing for this to be a fact? No. So even if they convince people that Nazis were left wing, how does that disprove that RIGHT NOW they are the racists and white supremacists?
I’m just saying, don’t play their games.
We’re clearly arguing to different things here then. You just invaded the discussion to push whatever ideals you have.
It’s like you understand what I’m saying but you’re just here to say that the right wing is behaving like Nazis. I already told you that I agree with that statement, but that’s not the point I’m making. I’m not here to argue wether the right-wing or the left-wing is good or bad. But you keep pushing the discussion towards that direction for some reason.
Arguing with you is pointless. Have a good day, sir.
Dafuq, North Korea is left wing. OK, so was the Soviet Union also right wing when they marginalized minorities through Russification?
“if it is bad, it is right-wing”.
And yes, my whole point is that the fact North Korea has a left-wing dictatorship doesn’t mean that all left-wing parties will become dictatorships. You finally got my point, damn, it took you so long.
Accurate history doesn’t matter in this context because it is being used as a fallacy. The fact that the Nazis were right wing doesn’t make the right affiliated with Nazis. The same way leftist dictators don’t make the left affiliated with dictators.
The point of Republicans is that the left-wing is Nazi because the Nazis were left wing. That’s the fallacy. And instead of brushing that off as a fallacy, you’re falling victim to their games.
Ok, so if it is important to keep awareness, why did people get triggered here when I pointed out that there have also been murderers, racists and dictators in the left? Is it fine to keep awareness only for the opposition?
Keeping an eye on this is exactly the type of fear that the Republicans use to suppress the left. “A leftist president? Have you seen North Korea?”
It’s just flawed logic.
The only logic that has created the perfect conditions for racists in power is exactly this type of discrimination based on past examples.
Yes. Still, it is irrelevant if Nazis were left-wing or right-wing. Everyone knows Republicans always use fallacies in their arguments.
But you’re falling victims to their fallacies by trying to show that the left is not associated with Nazis. Who cares if the Nazis were left-wing!!! That is totally irrelevant. Stop playing their game. If the past associations are relevant, then they could use the communist card and show what the left has done in other countries before, like North Korea.
Stop playing their games.
I said it doesn’t matter if the Nazis were right wing or left wing, what matters is that they were criminals. Then that person said that mass murder and racism is only aligned with the right, so I showed him/her that that is wrong, murder and racism can also happen on the left.
The point being that just because in the past there were rotten apples in the left/right, it doesn’t mean that being in the left/right makes you a rotten apple.
So you’re saying that racism and mass murder did not exist under communist China?
What about Russification in the Soviet Union? Minorities were marginalized.
Why would it be a problem if the Nazis were actually left-wing? You’re not realizing you’re actually a victim of a fallacy. And even more concerning, you’re trying to use the same fallacy to attack back. It’s just flawed logic all over the place.
Wait, do people really care if Nazis were left or right-wing?
Their leader was a racist mass murderer with superiority complex, who cares about his political views?
Let’s say they were left-wing… Does that make the left wing Nazis? Mmm no. If a dictator is right-wing, does that make the right-wing dictators? No.
Do people understand these are two unrelated things? Imagine seeing a dog owner cheating on his wife and assuming all dog owners are cheaters.
When they think it is morally correct, yeha. When they think piracy is morally correct and ethical, they are basically disregarding private property and private incentive. They think it is their right to have free access to information that others worked to create.
I wouldn’t have a problem if they accepted they are basically stealing, at least I’d respect that, but they won’t. They think piracy is freeing society from capitalism. If you don’t believe me, keep reading the posts in this community.
Yeha, those games are kinda like a choreography, you’re not totally free to do whatever you want. You’re very restricted in what you can do and usually you have 1 or 2 options when you need to react.
Based on your input, you should give Breath of the Wild a try. It’s a game in which creativity is the only limit. I didn’t enjoy it that much because the combat is too easy, but then I saw what people can do when they get creative. It’s really insane. I completed the game playing like a noob, never expected those things to be remotely possible, because nobody tells you what to do. Nobody tells you “here’s how you do this insane combo”. People just piece the mechanics together. I guess that’s the beauty of Nintendo in general
Lol, that was actually pretty coherent.
God of War, Dark Souls, Elden, The Witcher… All of these games have a system to optimiza your character without the need to grind for hours non-stop. Armored Core will also have a complex build system for the mechas.
The problem with Diablo for me is that it is just that, just building a character that hits hard. If you have a good build, everything is waaay too easy unless you are going into dungeons 20 levels above yours. And even then, it doesn’t feel rewarding because killing the enemies isn’t hard, it just takes too long. Like, it was taking me 10 seconds to kill a basic minion, and even that felt better than going into a dungeon and obliterating everything.
Maybe I could enjoy building a character if I didn’t need to spend hours and hours grinding to level up and to get the right items with the right affixes. The grinding is just a torture, I feel I’m wasting my time.
Oh, so you’re saying wealth should be equally distributed with workers. That argument is silly… Workers should get paid fairly for their skillset. The US is obviously exploiting people, $7/h is ridiculous… But a package delivery person demanding to become a millionaire because they work for a multi-billion dollar company? What’s their skillset? Driving a car and walking with a box on their hands?
Workers should never be exploited, people should get paid a fair amount of money so they can have a good living. The Amazon workers are definetely not getting paid fairly and are physically and mentally abused. But Bezos didn’t become a billionaire BECAUSE he exploits people, that’s just him being an asshole in general. He would have still been a billionaire if he had paid fair wages and had had happy workers.
So you have package delivery teams, marketing, financial analysts, software developers, data analysists, lawyers… Should all of them get paid equally?
Should a neurosurgeon working in a small hospital earn less money than a delivery person working in a multi-billion company? THAT seems unfair.
I don’t see how earning large amounts of money makes someone evil. I don’t think there is a logical connection between evil and wealth. That’s why I ignored that number. As I said, the only thing you need to do is to prove they actually exploited workers. That’s it.
They accumulated wealth because they invested in companies that grew to become multi-billion dollar companies. This happened because they had a clever idea or solved a real issue. These are companies located in many countries, how is 2M monthly too much for services/products used worldwide?
Do I like the fact billionaires exist? No. I’d prefer a world with a better wealth distribution. Do I think they are evil because the system allowed them to get to that point? No.
Ah ok, as I said, “everything that is left wing is good and paradise. Everything right wing is pure evil”.
In a left-wing state the state always holds the power… So once that state becomes corrupted and uses that power to keep all workers equally poor, then it is suddenly right wing? Show me what were the capitalist principles in the Soviet Union? Was there a free market, private incentive, private property, competition, minimal state intervention, entrepreneurship, individual rights and freedoms? NOOO THERE WEREN’T. It wasn’t a right-wing state.
You guys are insane. Lemmy became an echo chamber for your delusions. It’s really sad to see people this radicalized.
A dictator is a dictator, who the fuck cares if they are right or left wing? A racist is a racist. A murderer is a murderer. They can be found in any side of the political spectrum, but you’re too biased to believe the left can be corrupted… You are too blinded by what is right and what is left and are totally unable to see there can be combinations of ideologies.
You say dictators are right wing because they don’t follow some left-wing principles? Then I could argue that all dictators are left-wing because by definition the right strives to minimize government controls, and a dictatorship is authoritarian, which goes against right-wing policies… But I’m done arguing. This is my last Lemmy comment. You are so blinded by the left vs right argument you can’t see beyond that. This degree of fanatism can’t be healthy, I don’t want to become radicalized like you people. This self imposed blindness is sad and pathetic. Good bye.