It’s a fascist dogwhistle, especially the way its use is normalized on MoG. Their specialty is in turning everyone they disagree with into a ‘tankie’ that can’t possibly have a point, and consequently all abuse is then fair game. Ironic that they immediately started trying to flip the script with accusations of ‘tankie bar’
It’s a fascist dogwhistle, especially the way its use is normalized on MoG.
I recall back over a decade ago when trolling fascist dickheads at /pol/, I called on my inner cantankerous, old man to ridicule their illiberal views and started calling them backward degenerates trying to set society back to the dark ages.
With their scant vocabulary, they went agog with astonishment at this new word and went
Degenerate? What’s that mean?
Then they became absorbed with that word & brought it back from old man parlance into their common sayings with degenerate this & degenerate that.
They couldn’t get enough of it.
Believe me or not, point is it wasn’t always a dog whistle, it has been used to criticize the pieces of shit using it as a dog whistle for being that very thing they purport to oppose, and it still can be used that way.
Nothing stops anyone else from claiming it back.
It was used to describe indigenous people of Africa and America to promote eugenics (at least to the 19th century).
It was popularized by the Nazis as a specifically far right term, to describe anything that didnt meet Nazi ideals.
When its used to discuss culture (art, religion, etc) or traits of a person (sexuality, race, gender expression, etc), its a really blatant dog whistle.
Like everything, context matters, but it absolutely has been one for a very long time.
Thanks! the only correction I have is that I’m actually an anarchist, I feel like a broken record sometimes having to explain that.
It might be the constant defence of the PRC, the repeating of Russian propaganda on Ukraine, and simping for an instance that literally removes posts which point out genocide by fascist polities which are painted red, which cause people to correct identify you elsewise.
Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.
Your use of ‘tankie’ is just ‘disagrees with me from the left’ and it’s been on full display.
as I said earlier:
Their specialty is in turning everyone they disagree with into a ‘tankie’ that can’t possibly have a point, and consequently all abuse is then fair game.
Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.
Yes, it is quite apparently that you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism, bizarre as it is. I guess ‘purity testing’ is ‘questioning whether simping for fascism is really compatible with anarchist thought’, especially considering that you openly support .ml’s removal of anything critical of fascist states.
Your use of ‘tankie’ is just ‘disagrees with me from the left’ and it’s been on full display.
Ah, so defending genocide is a leftist position now. It must be the People’s Genocide.
Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.
you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism,
I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.
Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.
Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.
The argument here is literally about the Uyghur genocide, but nice try to whataboutism it around to your Americentric obsession.
I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.
I love how here you completely avoid the accusation in favor of whataboutism.
America is going down a very fascist path and supporting Israel’s genocide of Palestine. Sadly, you think that somehow justifies playing apologist for China going down a fascist path and genociding Uyghurs, or the genocide of Ukrainians.
I guess it’s GOOD genocide, unlike Israel’s BAD genocide!
Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.
Building parallel systems is something that I’ve repeatedly praised on here, but I understand that that’s inconvenient to your interest in attempting to paint me as trying to ‘purity test’ by insisting that genocide and fascism is Bad, Actually.
Keep licking boots, fascist, it’s all you’re capable of, apparently.
Dude explicitly doesn’t want to build anything outside the ballot box. In fact, he considers any alternative than capitalist liberal democracy as “fascism” and would support even violent paramilitary suppression of such. No matter what it is.
Dude explicitly doesn’t want to build anything outside the ballot box.
I’ve explicitly said otherwise, and in conversations with you, no less. But don’t let that stop your attempt to pretend that supporting genocide is somehow justified because “A DemSoc I called a lib was mean to me :'(”
In fact, he considers any alternative than capitalist liberal democracy as “fascism” and would support even violent paramilitary suppression of such.
lmao
Because I regard elections as preferable to a coup explicitly along Bolshevik lines? Bolshevik lines being, in the case that we discussed, quite literally the dissolution of a leftist democratic government the year before?
Nothing like supporting the Vanguard Party suppressing democratic elections to really be a good anarchist, huh?
Astounding that you prefer the taste of boot leather to the horrible position of opposing genocide.
Ironic that they immediately started trying to flip the script with accusations of ‘tankie bar’
It was pointed out that in that very fucking thread there was Holodomor and Uyghur genocide denial, which would make, by the same argument as the ‘Nazi bar’ accusations being leveled, DB0 a tankie bar.
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Just going to add another post discussing this; I did a write-up of the constant use of ‘degenerate’ as an insult specifically in the MoG comm, posted on hexbear, and cited the inciting incident as the latest people to get dubbed ‘tankies’ by this crew.
It’s a fascist dogwhistle, especially the way its use is normalized on MoG. Their specialty is in turning everyone they disagree with into a ‘tankie’ that can’t possibly have a point, and consequently all abuse is then fair game. Ironic that they immediately started trying to flip the script with accusations of ‘tankie bar’
I recall back over a decade ago when trolling fascist dickheads at /pol/, I called on my inner cantankerous, old man to ridicule their illiberal views and started calling them backward degenerates trying to set society back to the dark ages. With their scant vocabulary, they went agog with astonishment at this new word and went
Then they became absorbed with that word & brought it back from old man parlance into their common sayings with degenerate this & degenerate that. They couldn’t get enough of it.
Believe me or not, point is it wasn’t always a dog whistle, it has been used to criticize the pieces of shit using it as a dog whistle for being that very thing they purport to oppose, and it still can be used that way. Nothing stops anyone else from claiming it back.
While those specific people might legit not have known the word, it has been in common parlance in right-wing and fascist circles for decades.
It was used to describe indigenous people of Africa and America to promote eugenics (at least to the 19th century).
It was popularized by the Nazis as a specifically far right term, to describe anything that didnt meet Nazi ideals.
When its used to discuss culture (art, religion, etc) or traits of a person (sexuality, race, gender expression, etc), its a really blatant dog whistle.
Like everything, context matters, but it absolutely has been one for a very long time.
Would you like to delve deeper into this?
If you legitimately think there’s a fascist infiltration of my community, then we’ll investigate it together
ill add it to the post thank you
Thanks! the only correction I have is that I’m actually an anarchist, I feel like a broken record sometimes having to explain that.
It might be the constant defence of the PRC, the repeating of Russian propaganda on Ukraine, and simping for an instance that literally removes posts which point out genocide by fascist polities which are painted red, which cause people to correct identify you elsewise.
Believe it or not, passing your online purity tests about geopolitics is not what makes someone an anarchist.
Your use of ‘tankie’ is just ‘disagrees with me from the left’ and it’s been on full display.
as I said earlier:
Yes, it is quite apparently that you regard playing apologist for fascist states performing genocide as completely in-line with anarchism, bizarre as it is. I guess ‘purity testing’ is ‘questioning whether simping for fascism is really compatible with anarchist thought’, especially considering that you openly support .ml’s removal of anything critical of fascist states.
Ah, so defending genocide is a leftist position now. It must be the People’s Genocide.
Wild how every argument with you speedruns straight to hyper-fixating on what Americas enemies are doing.
I would never play apologist for the fascist states of America and their genocidal war on the Palestinian people, You were the one spending all your energy browbeating everyone expressing disgust with genocide Joe and bomber Harris.
Funny hearing lectures on “what anarchism is” from a social democrat who’s more interested in purity testing leftists on lemmy than building anything outside the ballot box.
The argument here is literally about the Uyghur genocide, but nice try to whataboutism it around to your Americentric obsession.
I love how here you completely avoid the accusation in favor of whataboutism.
America is going down a very fascist path and supporting Israel’s genocide of Palestine. Sadly, you think that somehow justifies playing apologist for China going down a fascist path and genociding Uyghurs, or the genocide of Ukrainians.
I guess it’s GOOD genocide, unlike Israel’s BAD genocide!
Building parallel systems is something that I’ve repeatedly praised on here, but I understand that that’s inconvenient to your interest in attempting to paint me as trying to ‘purity test’ by insisting that genocide and fascism is Bad, Actually.
Keep licking boots, fascist, it’s all you’re capable of, apparently.
I’m opposed to all states, I’m stuck in the US so I oppose its genocidal warmongering foremost 😎
edit:
Dude explicitly doesn’t want to build anything outside the ballot box. In fact, he considers any alternative than capitalist liberal democracy as “fascism” and would support even violent paramilitary suppression of such. No matter what it is.
He clearly has the Fukuyama brainworms.
I’ve explicitly said otherwise, and in conversations with you, no less. But don’t let that stop your attempt to pretend that supporting genocide is somehow justified because “A DemSoc I called a lib was mean to me :'(”
lmao
Because I regard elections as preferable to a coup explicitly along Bolshevik lines? Bolshevik lines being, in the case that we discussed, quite literally the dissolution of a leftist democratic government the year before?
Nothing like supporting the Vanguard Party suppressing democratic elections to really be a good anarchist, huh?
Astounding that you prefer the taste of boot leather to the horrible position of opposing genocide.
(I kid, thanks for the correction)
It was pointed out that in that very fucking thread there was Holodomor and Uyghur genocide denial, which would make, by the same argument as the ‘Nazi bar’ accusations being leveled, DB0 a tankie bar.