The only issue of any substance is that I often like to browse a particular community. It would be nice to get some front-end interface solution that makes it reasonable to do so for multiple communities. I’m happy to set it up manually once, but it would be tedious to check in on, say, the mechanical keyboard communities on 5 different instances every day.
For my main feed, a shotgun approach is absolutely fine, and I wouldn’t want to weaken the benefits of federation by herding everyone into a single instance per “interest.”
I do think that maybe the Lemmy developers were expecting each instance to have a more distinct character than is happening so far, at least on average. Federation in the threadiverse seems to be acting more like simple distribution, load balancing, and decentralization, rather than digital tourism defaulting to open borders.
We should have an option to merge communities in 1 single feed or something. Or maybe a grouping function, where we could name the group, and any communities under that group would show as a single group. Then other people could like your group and also subscribe etc. But that way maybe things could get complicated. I mean for the average Joe it will already be difficult IMO to make the effort to understand the Fediverse. I mean I took my time to understand it and start using it, cause I was lazy and had Reddit. I guess there are no perfect solutions, there’s always dissadvantages. For sure 1 thing that is attactive with centralized systems is the peace of mind when it comes to understanding it, because it’s simple etc. Like starting using Crypto vs using a bank account and so on.
Oh I’m rambling already.
This seems to be a pretty popular thought, both in this thread and many others discussing Lemmy. I’d put real money down that the 3rd party apps will get this going, but for actually using the website on a PC, I’m imagining it’d be up to the devs/admins of whatever Lemmy instance you’re using.
No offense, but you’re argument reveals that you’re thinking of all this fedi stuff as a service provided to you, like Facebook or reddit.
It is not. It is people like you and me creating and taking part in them.
These tools are BRAND NEW. It is likely the creators of one didn’t know about the other(s) at that time. This is US doing all this for US not a corporation making tools to suck people in to advertise to.
Not gonna crit you further. You probably don’t remember the internet before the corps ruined it.
Can you be any more condescending? Op has a point, it is not ideal to have the same community on different instances. There is no need to be a dick about it.
It’s not the same community. It’s 5 different communities on 5 different instances that all happen to have the same name. It will be the owners of those communities to determine whether or not they want to consolidate.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be dickish. I just reread my post. Saying “sounds like you’re expecting a corporate experience” was an observation is not an insult.
Decentralized stuff is fundamentally different than centralized coordinates corporate stuff. Serious question, do you understand how it is that so many people can start so many similar communities?
Yeah, as someone who used to frequent car forums back in the day, one way I think about it is you might have Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Chevy, etc specific forums. And they all had subsections devoted to suspension upgrades, with a lot of content that would look really similar to someone just getting into cars. But they also met the different needs of the different communities, and had their own vibes and culture.
Now imagine all those communities could interact with each other directly, and you end up with something like what we’re getting with the Fediverse.
I think there will probably be a natural selection of which one prevails. But each instances may have different rules and different mods. So follow and unfollow the few that have what you like. It would be nice in the future though to ability to create aggregate subs or find aggregate subs like a multi-subreddit for a given topic.
I mean you can, but there are instances I don’t want to be federated with because of some of the content they host (which is moot for this discussion and I’m not thinking enough into whether they’re any of these four). In those cases, I wouldn’t want to subscribe to those specific communities. Kind of a guilt by association thing. Shitty, but it’s how the system works.
It’s an example. If there are multiple instances of a thing do I need to subscribe to all of them? The answer is yes. It’s different from Reddit but there are pro and cons.
The answer is no. You don’t NEED to subscribe to all of them. If you want to make absolutely sure you don’t miss a single thing everyone says on that topic, then maybe you do. But if you are just interested in electric cars, you can just pick the most active one of the one with the most subscribers. Even on reddit there were both /r/electriccars and /r/electricvehicles.
While I agree with what you’re saying in terms of seeing posts, the flip side is wanting to make a post visible to as many users are possible gets tougher.
Say I have a problem with my MicroSonySonic MPZoomPod that’s driving me crazy to figure out, so I figure I’ll post on Lemmy about it and see if anyone else has had that problem and a solution. In the reddit days, I just go to /r/MPZOOMPOD, or I google for “reddit mpzoompod” and find the subreddit. I can now post there knowing I’m hitting the entire community of mpzoompod users, or at least the majority of them. To do that on Lemmy, though, I now have to wonder if instead of a single community with 120k users, I have 12 communities with 10k users. So either I post to a tiny fraction of the communty, and thus have a much lower chance of getting my question answered, or I post the same thing to 12 different communites and have 12 different threads to keep track of for replies.
Obviously this is simplified, cause more likely there will be on big community somewhere, a couple other smaller versions, and then probably a couple completely devoid of posts from when people were first migrating to Lemmy and were excited to start communities.
Anyway, that was kind of a lot, but I think it really comes down to the subject matter. I don’t need 5 versions of showerthoughts, and I don’t care if showerthoughts has 1k subscribers or 1m subscribers, but if I really wanted showerthoughts to grow in popularity, the more people using one copy the better. Alternatively,it would be rad if /c/googlepixel or whatever wasn’t fragmented so I could know I was looking at the most likely source of information.
It’s all kind of an interesting thing to think about, and I can’t decide just yet which way I’d personally prefer. I remember reddit before all the digg people piled in, and I liked how it felt more like a community back then, but I also can’t disregard how incredible reddit has been in recent times for finding answers to specific questions, or getting news, or finding fans of a particular subject just because it became the default website to look for that stuff.
Everyone’s going to say No, and “just subscribe to the most active one”, but if you’re a ‘Fediverse completionist’ and want to ensure that there’s not a single thing you miss anywhere at any time, then the answer is Yes.
Correct. Ultimately it’s up to each person how much they want to extend themselves into the Fediverse. You really can’t follow everything everywhere all the time, so you need to pick what you want your feed to consist of.
I’ve subscribed to any redundant tech / IT security related communities no matter how many of them there are, because I always want to stay current on any news that could impact the network environment I manage.
It seems to me like there are 5 places the grocery store has tomatoes and and you need to check all 5 places before you know which place you should buy from. Then, maybe next time you’re at the grocery store, a different spot will have the better tomatoes and there are also 3 other new tomato stands in the store.
I’m definitely grateful for lemmy or kbin or mastodon or wherever the fuck I am right now as a reddit replacement, but this shit is confusing and annoying
I think the idea is people coming from a grocery store where all the fruit and vegetables were centralized in a “produce” section and then going to a Farmers’ Market and complaining that multiple stalls sell tomatoes and having to visit all of them to go tomato shopping.
At least that’s what I’m getting from these comments. I’m new here too, and getting used to it, but I get a Farmers’ Market vibe.
Sure, and if you choose the correct place in the grocery store to get your tomatoes, you have all the fixings for a nice pico de gallo or guacamole all in one place. But why don’t they ever have chips there? I know this has to connect somewhere …… yeah
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer’s market. Or find out that a new farmer’s market opened up!
What is a “better” onion? More variety, maybe? Onions come in two kinds for me (other than type) edible and not; not a lot of spectrum on onion quality for me I guess.
Just about any other fruit or vegetable I can accept the varying quality of produce but onions and potatoes are either firm and good or mushy and not for me.
Or I could be overthinking what was probably an arbitrarily pulled example for an explanatory analogy.
Fresh, not bruised, the size I like, in stock. Just better quality overall. Same with the tomatoes at the other store.
I have no idea why there is such a difference in quality consistently for those two vegetables, but it has been consistent for a couple of years.
Since the two stores are within 5 minutes of each other and there are other reasons to go to each (brands, deli, bakery,etc.) I split the vegetables while I’m at it.
Essentially no watering. Only works with places with some mild temps, a 20 inches of rain per year, and some morning fog etc.
Where appropriate climate and soil conditions exist, growing dry-farmed tomatoes can be a good option for specialty crops growers. Dry farming generates
an intensely flavored crop much prized by consumers and retailers.
A limited number of geographic regions are suited to dry farming, which requires adequate winter rainfall and—in the case of
annual crops—a summer-time marine influence that generates cool mornings and warm afternoons. These climatic conditions, combined with careful soil preparation, appropriate variety selection, adequate plant spacing, and vigilant weed control are all required to successfully produce dry-farmed crops.
Thanks for your reply. I haven’t heard about this directly, but I have noticed that birds-eye-chilly plants(don’t know if this is the right name for it) get chillies that are so much more eye-watering-throat-burning-ass-blastingly spicy in the summer than other seasons. It even seems to do better when it’s NOT watered than when it is.
Cool! I’m not growing as many tomatoes this year as some years — we’ve gone in heavily for strawberries and herbs this spring, and potatoes this summer — but I’ve got a Brad’s Atomic Grape and an Indigo Ruby starting to set fruit.
They don’t get the message that a similar community already exists because they are on separate instances. Due to defederation, it’s possible that not all of those communities will be visible from all other instances. This is one reason why it’s useful to have the same community across multiple instances.
Choosing different communities with the stated purpose is all about context: the policies of the mods, the policies of the admins, and the reputation of the instance. Yes, it isn’t a perfect analogy, but people need to shift how the think about the Lemmy/Kbin model from how they think about Reddit, and the example that seems to connect most easily with users is e-mail. Maybe a more subtle / apt analogy would be [email protected] has an obviously different context and significantly different content than [email protected], but the same stated purpose (and community name).
The problem is that it isn’t just the users who are confused about this: Lemmy admins seem to each have the goal of being “the place to be”, and Kbin goes out of its way to devalue off-instance content. I personally think (primarily) user instances should be separate from (primarily) content instances, but that would take a coordinated effort by the admins. We are starting to see some grass roots efforts at making that happen, though the actions of the admins may prevent that from taking hold.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
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Just subscribe to everything what’s the problem?
The only issue of any substance is that I often like to browse a particular community. It would be nice to get some front-end interface solution that makes it reasonable to do so for multiple communities. I’m happy to set it up manually once, but it would be tedious to check in on, say, the mechanical keyboard communities on 5 different instances every day.
For my main feed, a shotgun approach is absolutely fine, and I wouldn’t want to weaken the benefits of federation by herding everyone into a single instance per “interest.”
I do think that maybe the Lemmy developers were expecting each instance to have a more distinct character than is happening so far, at least on average. Federation in the threadiverse seems to be acting more like simple distribution, load balancing, and decentralization, rather than digital tourism defaulting to open borders.
We should have an option to merge communities in 1 single feed or something. Or maybe a grouping function, where we could name the group, and any communities under that group would show as a single group. Then other people could like your group and also subscribe etc. But that way maybe things could get complicated. I mean for the average Joe it will already be difficult IMO to make the effort to understand the Fediverse. I mean I took my time to understand it and start using it, cause I was lazy and had Reddit. I guess there are no perfect solutions, there’s always dissadvantages. For sure 1 thing that is attactive with centralized systems is the peace of mind when it comes to understanding it, because it’s simple etc. Like starting using Crypto vs using a bank account and so on. Oh I’m rambling already.
This seems to be a pretty popular thought, both in this thread and many others discussing Lemmy. I’d put real money down that the 3rd party apps will get this going, but for actually using the website on a PC, I’m imagining it’d be up to the devs/admins of whatever Lemmy instance you’re using.
That’s the nature of a decentralized service. With time I think we can work out the kinks.
Eh, not necessarily. It’s the nature of humans that want power.
Exhibit A: https://lemmy.world/u/sabbah
Thanks for the link. Blocked him. I’m brand new here and still learning but that’s definitely the kind of shit I want to avoid.
No offense, but you’re argument reveals that you’re thinking of all this fedi stuff as a service provided to you, like Facebook or reddit.
It is not. It is people like you and me creating and taking part in them.
These tools are BRAND NEW. It is likely the creators of one didn’t know about the other(s) at that time. This is US doing all this for US not a corporation making tools to suck people in to advertise to.
Not gonna crit you further. You probably don’t remember the internet before the corps ruined it.
Wait until they find out that there used to be hundreds of websites all talking about the same thing?
And it was magical.
Can you be any more condescending? Op has a point, it is not ideal to have the same community on different instances. There is no need to be a dick about it.
It’s not the same community. It’s 5 different communities on 5 different instances that all happen to have the same name. It will be the owners of those communities to determine whether or not they want to consolidate.
Sorry, didn’t mean to be dickish. I just reread my post. Saying “sounds like you’re expecting a corporate experience” was an observation is not an insult.
Decentralized stuff is fundamentally different than centralized coordinates corporate stuff. Serious question, do you understand how it is that so many people can start so many similar communities?
Yeah, as someone who used to frequent car forums back in the day, one way I think about it is you might have Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Chevy, etc specific forums. And they all had subsections devoted to suspension upgrades, with a lot of content that would look really similar to someone just getting into cars. But they also met the different needs of the different communities, and had their own vibes and culture.
Now imagine all those communities could interact with each other directly, and you end up with something like what we’re getting with the Fediverse.
Or maybe I’m just too hung up on analogies, idk.
Oh dude you just reminded me of the guitar tab websites. Those were fun and fucked up all at the same time.
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Thw internet was much better before corporations dug their teeth in.
Better as in more information, much of it useful, but far less monetary reward for narcissism.
I think there will probably be a natural selection of which one prevails. But each instances may have different rules and different mods. So follow and unfollow the few that have what you like. It would be nice in the future though to ability to create aggregate subs or find aggregate subs like a multi-subreddit for a given topic.
no
I mean you can, but there are instances I don’t want to be federated with because of some of the content they host (which is moot for this discussion and I’m not thinking enough into whether they’re any of these four). In those cases, I wouldn’t want to subscribe to those specific communities. Kind of a guilt by association thing. Shitty, but it’s how the system works.
I mean, are you really that concerned that you might miss some random question on one of the less popular ones?
It’s an example. If there are multiple instances of a thing do I need to subscribe to all of them? The answer is yes. It’s different from Reddit but there are pro and cons.
The answer is no. You don’t NEED to subscribe to all of them. If you want to make absolutely sure you don’t miss a single thing everyone says on that topic, then maybe you do. But if you are just interested in electric cars, you can just pick the most active one of the one with the most subscribers. Even on reddit there were both /r/electriccars and /r/electricvehicles.
While I agree with what you’re saying in terms of seeing posts, the flip side is wanting to make a post visible to as many users are possible gets tougher.
Say I have a problem with my MicroSonySonic MPZoomPod that’s driving me crazy to figure out, so I figure I’ll post on Lemmy about it and see if anyone else has had that problem and a solution. In the reddit days, I just go to /r/MPZOOMPOD, or I google for “reddit mpzoompod” and find the subreddit. I can now post there knowing I’m hitting the entire community of mpzoompod users, or at least the majority of them. To do that on Lemmy, though, I now have to wonder if instead of a single community with 120k users, I have 12 communities with 10k users. So either I post to a tiny fraction of the communty, and thus have a much lower chance of getting my question answered, or I post the same thing to 12 different communites and have 12 different threads to keep track of for replies.
Obviously this is simplified, cause more likely there will be on big community somewhere, a couple other smaller versions, and then probably a couple completely devoid of posts from when people were first migrating to Lemmy and were excited to start communities.
Anyway, that was kind of a lot, but I think it really comes down to the subject matter. I don’t need 5 versions of showerthoughts, and I don’t care if showerthoughts has 1k subscribers or 1m subscribers, but if I really wanted showerthoughts to grow in popularity, the more people using one copy the better. Alternatively,it would be rad if /c/googlepixel or whatever wasn’t fragmented so I could know I was looking at the most likely source of information.
It’s all kind of an interesting thing to think about, and I can’t decide just yet which way I’d personally prefer. I remember reddit before all the digg people piled in, and I liked how it felt more like a community back then, but I also can’t disregard how incredible reddit has been in recent times for finding answers to specific questions, or getting news, or finding fans of a particular subject just because it became the default website to look for that stuff.
I’m going to guess yes
Everyone’s going to say No, and “just subscribe to the most active one”, but if you’re a ‘Fediverse completionist’ and want to ensure that there’s not a single thing you miss anywhere at any time, then the answer is Yes.
Good thing I play any%.
Fomo isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
Correct. Ultimately it’s up to each person how much they want to extend themselves into the Fediverse. You really can’t follow everything everywhere all the time, so you need to pick what you want your feed to consist of.
I’ve subscribed to any redundant tech / IT security related communities no matter how many of them there are, because I always want to stay current on any news that could impact the network environment I manage.
On the other hand, I like seeing some memes, but [email protected] will absolutely flood your front page if you subscribe to it, so I stick to a few smaller meme subs like [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected].
I hate to tell you this but fears can absolutely hurt us.
You don’t have to. You can, if you want. You have options in your life. You could always just go plant tomatoes instead. 🍅
But then there would be my tomatoes and the ones at each of my local grocery stores. Am I supposed to go get some from everywhere to enjoy tomatoes?
It seems to me like there are 5 places the grocery store has tomatoes and and you need to check all 5 places before you know which place you should buy from. Then, maybe next time you’re at the grocery store, a different spot will have the better tomatoes and there are also 3 other new tomato stands in the store.
I’m definitely grateful for lemmy or kbin or mastodon or wherever the fuck I am right now as a reddit replacement, but this shit is confusing and annoying
I think the idea is people coming from a grocery store where all the fruit and vegetables were centralized in a “produce” section and then going to a Farmers’ Market and complaining that multiple stalls sell tomatoes and having to visit all of them to go tomato shopping.
At least that’s what I’m getting from these comments. I’m new here too, and getting used to it, but I get a Farmers’ Market vibe.
That’s a good perspective. Thank you for that. I’ll try to look at it like a farmer’s market from now on
Sure, and if you choose the correct place in the grocery store to get your tomatoes, you have all the fixings for a nice pico de gallo or guacamole all in one place. But why don’t they ever have chips there? I know this has to connect somewhere …… yeah
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer’s market. Or find out that a new farmer’s market opened up!
What is a “better” onion? More variety, maybe? Onions come in two kinds for me (other than type) edible and not; not a lot of spectrum on onion quality for me I guess.
Just about any other fruit or vegetable I can accept the varying quality of produce but onions and potatoes are either firm and good or mushy and not for me.
Or I could be overthinking what was probably an arbitrarily pulled example for an explanatory analogy.
Fresh, not bruised, the size I like, in stock. Just better quality overall. Same with the tomatoes at the other store.
I have no idea why there is such a difference in quality consistently for those two vegetables, but it has been consistent for a couple of years.
Since the two stores are within 5 minutes of each other and there are other reasons to go to each (brands, deli, bakery,etc.) I split the vegetables while I’m at it.
Fair enough. I don’t know that I’ve ever had a grocer with consistently bruised/rotted onions. I’ll go ahead and put that in the plus column.
For real, man. Homegrown tomatoes are fkn delicious.
If y’all aren’t growing your own butter lettuce then you’re missing out on one of the best things in life
Ever had dry farmed tomatoes? They’re like regular homegrown tomatoes but with twice the flavor.
What’s dry farming? Limiting water supply?
Essentially no watering. Only works with places with some mild temps, a 20 inches of rain per year, and some morning fog etc.
https://agroecology.ucsc.edu/resources/publications/grower-guides/pdf-downloads/dry-farmed-tomatoes.pdf
Thanks for your reply. I haven’t heard about this directly, but I have noticed that birds-eye-chilly plants(don’t know if this is the right name for it) get chillies that are so much more eye-watering-throat-burning-ass-blastingly spicy in the summer than other seasons. It even seems to do better when it’s NOT watered than when it is.
In this heat?! Masochist.
edit: or sadist, no judgement.
[email protected]
Cool! I’m not growing as many tomatoes this year as some years — we’ve gone in heavily for strawberries and herbs this spring, and potatoes this summer — but I’ve got a Brad’s Atomic Grape and an Indigo Ruby starting to set fruit.
Just subscribe to the most active one, just like with copycats on Reddit.
They don’t get the message that a similar community already exists because they are on separate instances. Due to defederation, it’s possible that not all of those communities will be visible from all other instances. This is one reason why it’s useful to have the same community across multiple instances.
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If I send an email to [email protected], it should be copied to [email protected] because it is the same thing, right?
Lemmy isn’t Reddit. It has similar capabilities, but it is fundamentally different. Think email or web hosting, not one stop shop.
I see your point but this is not a valid analogy
Choosing different communities with the stated purpose is all about context: the policies of the mods, the policies of the admins, and the reputation of the instance. Yes, it isn’t a perfect analogy, but people need to shift how the think about the Lemmy/Kbin model from how they think about Reddit, and the example that seems to connect most easily with users is e-mail. Maybe a more subtle / apt analogy would be
[email protected]has an obviously different context and significantly different content than[email protected], but the same stated purpose (and community name).The problem is that it isn’t just the users who are confused about this: Lemmy admins seem to each have the goal of being “the place to be”, and Kbin goes out of its way to devalue off-instance content. I personally think (primarily) user instances should be separate from (primarily) content instances, but that would take a coordinated effort by the admins. We are starting to see some grass roots efforts at making that happen, though the actions of the admins may prevent that from taking hold.
No, just subscribe to the most active one.
no, subscribe to the ones that follow the same ethos as you do. larger is not always better
Did you consider the ethics and morals of every subreddit you subscribed to? I don’t think the average user really cares about that.
No, not every. But for things like world news/memes/etc then yes the instance does play a part in what I have subscribed to
Average user is not used to having options. Eventually people will see the benefit. It will take time.
Or three Incase that one goes down
I’m only subscribed to the most active one, I don’t like it and I wish if it was possible to merge and migrate communities
Maybe we can federate the communities on our federated instances 🤔