The content on all the communities seem different.
Why didn’t the “copycats” get the “this community name has already been taken” message?
It was bad enough at The Other Place finding one overlooked sub about one of your interests.
Now you have to find every single community in every single instance if you hope to talk about your topic?
I mean, look at this:
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I’m only subscribed to the most active one, I don’t like it and I wish if it was possible to merge and migrate communities
Maybe we can federate the communities on our federated instances 🤔
You dont have to, but thats the most obvious thing to do if you enjoy that kind of content.
No. You don’t have to. But if you want to throw a wide net and not just wind up with a singular place with a unified mentality, it’s good to have multiple places focused on the same topic. For perspective.
You don’t have to. You can, if you want. You have options in your life. You could always just go plant tomatoes instead. 🍅
But then there would be my tomatoes and the ones at each of my local grocery stores. Am I supposed to go get some from everywhere to enjoy tomatoes?
I go to two different grocery stores to get different vegetables because they have varying quality. For example, if I want tomatoes I go to store 1 and for onions I go to store 2. For carrots I go to either because they are fine at both.
So if two instances have tomato, onion, and carrot magazines/communities with similar quality patterns I might want to sub tomatoes at one, onions at the other, and carrots at both.
I just want an easier way to find all of the instances that have onions so I know what I might be missing at the local farmer’s market. Or find out that a new farmer’s market opened up!
What is a “better” onion? More variety, maybe? Onions come in two kinds for me (other than type) edible and not; not a lot of spectrum on onion quality for me I guess.
Just about any other fruit or vegetable I can accept the varying quality of produce but onions and potatoes are either firm and good or mushy and not for me.
Or I could be overthinking what was probably an arbitrarily pulled example for an explanatory analogy.
Fresh, not bruised, the size I like, in stock. Just better quality overall. Same with the tomatoes at the other store.
I have no idea why there is such a difference in quality consistently for those two vegetables, but it has been consistent for a couple of years.
Since the two stores are within 5 minutes of each other and there are other reasons to go to each (brands, deli, bakery,etc.) I split the vegetables while I’m at it.
Fair enough. I don’t know that I’ve ever had a grocer with consistently bruised/rotted onions. I’ll go ahead and put that in the plus column.
It seems to me like there are 5 places the grocery store has tomatoes and and you need to check all 5 places before you know which place you should buy from. Then, maybe next time you’re at the grocery store, a different spot will have the better tomatoes and there are also 3 other new tomato stands in the store.
I’m definitely grateful for lemmy or kbin or mastodon or wherever the fuck I am right now as a reddit replacement, but this shit is confusing and annoying
I think the idea is people coming from a grocery store where all the fruit and vegetables were centralized in a “produce” section and then going to a Farmers’ Market and complaining that multiple stalls sell tomatoes and having to visit all of them to go tomato shopping.
At least that’s what I’m getting from these comments. I’m new here too, and getting used to it, but I get a Farmers’ Market vibe.
That’s a good perspective. Thank you for that. I’ll try to look at it like a farmer’s market from now on
Sure, and if you choose the correct place in the grocery store to get your tomatoes, you have all the fixings for a nice pico de gallo or guacamole all in one place. But why don’t they ever have chips there? I know this has to connect somewhere …… yeah
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Cool! I’m not growing as many tomatoes this year as some years — we’ve gone in heavily for strawberries and herbs this spring, and potatoes this summer — but I’ve got a Brad’s Atomic Grape and an Indigo Ruby starting to set fruit.
In this heat?! Masochist.
edit: or sadist, no judgement.
For real, man. Homegrown tomatoes are fkn delicious.
If y’all aren’t growing your own butter lettuce then you’re missing out on one of the best things in life
Ever had dry farmed tomatoes? They’re like regular homegrown tomatoes but with twice the flavor.
What’s dry farming? Limiting water supply?
Essentially no watering. Only works with places with some mild temps, a 20 inches of rain per year, and some morning fog etc.
https://agroecology.ucsc.edu/resources/publications/grower-guides/pdf-downloads/dry-farmed-tomatoes.pdf
Thanks for your reply. I haven’t heard about this directly, but I have noticed that birds-eye-chilly plants(don’t know if this is the right name for it) get chillies that are so much more eye-watering-throat-burning-ass-blastingly spicy in the summer than other seasons. It even seems to do better when it’s NOT watered than when it is.
For real? I didn’t know this is how it worked. I don’t even know how to find those other instances. Do they just come up automagically or do you have to specifically search under those other instances?
This is bad.
Not bad, different :)
Federation works a little differently. Having said that, it’s not too far from reddit either. For example on reddit, as a basketball fan, I visit r/nba often. But then there are also other subs like r/nbadiscussion, r/nbatalk, and other subs that have overlapping content as r/nba. That’s the same case here, except they are on different instances rather than subreddits. You can do the same as what you do on reddit and subscribe to the most popular instance community and that’s it. Eventually as time goes by, the most popular community will become the “default” so you won’t really miss out on content. If you really have FOMO, then subscribe to all of them; same as what you would do on reddit; but obviously you don’t do that right?
Just search under community: https://lemmy.world/search?q=nostupidquestions&type=Communities
Nope, you don’t have to subscribe to any of them actually. Look, I’m not subbed to either nsq and I’m good.
For now yes, but over time probably no. Multiple communities around the same subject are created on different instances. They’ll compete to become the most active one. Then everyone will subscribe to that one, and it will grow even more. However, if over time you don’t like that one any more (e.g. don’t agree with the mods) you can start a community with the same name somewhere else and compete again to become the most active one (or not, and stay small if that is preferred).
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“That’s the way of the world” is usually said by Ayn Rand types who don’t care about anyone else or know how to make things better.
Also, they paint the questioner as some nutter obsessed with finding every single byte about a topic.
And, no one is “stuck” on anything, we notice a defect and want to find a solution.
So think about this. Suppose you’re making a community for, say, Ukrainians who have taken refuge in the USA.
What kind of person shrugs off their need to find each other and says “Suck it up buttercup”. Or makes fun of them for asking.
Yes, there are inconvenient and irritating ways of handling the problem. Shrugging it off just tells me what kind of person you are, but it doesn’t improve anything.
Now, what we could do - crazy, I know, hear me out - is think of a way to conglomerate all the content from diverse instances with different policies into one community where anyone can hear everyone else.
Two kinds of people in this world. The ones who start asking mocking questions, and those who put their heads together.
I think you’ve lost some perspective here. You asked a simple question, and people explained how it works.
Do you want to group all the communities together? Take it up with the W3C Social Web Working Group, who own the standard for ActivityPub. It’s a group of people, make your concerns known and maybe they’ll agree with you and change it. I don’t think they will, because I don’t agree that this is a problem that needs to be solved, but I’m not part of that group, so I guess that doesn’t matter.
In the meantime, why are you reacting like this to the helpful people who answered your question?
I don’t think auto-combining similar named communities is a viable solution, except in the case of users doing it themselves (e.g. multireddits or whatever).
Different communities, even with the “same name” (technically not possible because the @domain is part of the name), will have different vibes based on who participates, who moderates, what instances they’re on, etc. Mashing all of those together would at minimum, be a bad user experience and at worst, invite tons of harassment from ‘troll’ communities.
You calling me Ayn Rand for saying that we should not hand over all power to a single corporation and then in the same breath also suggesting conglomerating all instances into one is… a bit absurd in my opinion. I am also going to choose to overlook you trying to link having the option to click ‘subscribe’ three times to the plight of Ukrainian refugees.
I do apologize if it seems I’m “mocking” anyone. Clearly that is not my intention - especially on ‘No Stupid Questions’. Try not to become so defensive here, we’re just having a conversation.
You asked and I shared my response.
Best of luck.
It’s not like there is absolutely no solution. There are a lot of tools for finding Lemmy communities right now. You could go to one of these tools and search for Ukraine and get a list of communities.
Subscribing to all of them is effectively making a conglomerate of their content in your home feed. I don’t see anything wrong with this approach. Other than that things will naturally work themselves out over time as people tend towards a single community.
And the ones asking bad faith questions, acting willfully obtuse over completely trivial bullshit non issues.
The process you are going through now is how things get “better”.
Right now there a a multitude of communities across multiple instances that all superficially appear to be the same thing; if you must have ready access to all of it in your feed then yes you will need to subscribe to all of them.
The reality is that these places are not all the same. Not everyone is going to want to join all of them and they will be subject to different moderation. There will be different levels of activity and on the whole different vibes.
Over time, some will diverge, some will diminish and some will close and direct you to post elsewhere.
If you’re comparing to Reddit - that is a place where a lot of this has already happened; for mainstream subjects one sub became dominant but it’s worth bearing in mind that for some niche subjects there would still be a handful to subscribe to for a fuller picture.
It’ll happen here too; over time things will evolve and settle into a pattern.
As for the caring part - caring comes across in how we choose to interact with each other on here; the way we do that will strongly influence the way these communities grow and change over time.
So. We can influence how things will be. No individual person or entity will ever be in complete control. So it goes.
Edit: Also, the communities search tool on Lemmy.World reveals more communities with the same name: https://lemmy.world/search?q=nostupidquestions&type=Communities
Ask yourself if you subscribed to /r/tech or /r/technology or both or neither (or /r/pics, /r/pic etc., whatever you jam is) and you will have your answer.
A community name is just an address, both on Lemmy and on Reddit. It never mean that that address had the exclusive rights to a topic.
Yeah, this actually happens on Reddit a fair amount. Off the top of my head, there’s /r/tearsofthekingdom and /r/totk which both have 100,000+ subs, and /r/nsfw_gif and /r/nsfw_gifs that have millions of subs.
EDIT: There’s also /r/gaming and /r/games which was a notable early community split when people started complaining that /r/gaming had too many low-effort memes.
Just let it settle organically.
I have been subscribing to the one with the highest population. Maybe that’s a stupid approach, but I’m a stupid person, so it’s working for me atm.
If it’s stupid and it works then maybe it’s not stupid.
If there’s sufficient content that you like in the one with the highest population for your tastes then problem solved.
It’s fine.
As the philosopher Macho Man said “The cream rises to the top”
It’ll take time but eventually everyone will merge into one major one unless some admin/mod shenanigans.
At least I think.
I actually think the fediverse is going to fracture very quickly. You’re going to have instances that will defederate with anyone that permits the slightest bit of anti-trans commenting and you’re going to have instances that will make 4chan look inclusive and will defederate from anyone posting “woke bullshit”
Ive posted on here before that its only a matter of time before someone like Volkswagen-Audi start their own instance so they can control the narrative and push their own content too.
And I can ABSOLUTELY see paid only instances for well moderated kid friendly content and also hardcore porn.
Yes, it will fracture, but hopefully at the fringes, as you mentioned. So thsie with extreme views find it difficult to get traction due to lack of users or lack of places to post.
It should mean that we don’t get brigading from communities. You can just block them. It should.nean that there are safer communities but they miss out on some content.
At the moment, the only large communities are general. That may change over time. I do hope that companies start their own instances. Not to control the narrative, but to be their official communication. I don’t want commercial users using the community instances.
Again, then, they can be blocked but also, they can be verified.
Perhaps, once legal consequences of comments start kicking in here and there, the Fediverse will tend to remain fragmented to avoid having very large communities that also happen to act as a lightning rod for litigation
Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media? The platform would not be liable for the content of its users. Obviously, they are responsible to remove illegal content, like child porn.
Not more, necessarily, but definitely more exposed as smaller servers won’t have legal and regulatory compliance teams supporting them
Instance location. Content comes at you from all over the Fediverse but once its in your instance it’s actually located on your server. It’s obvious how even regular NSFW stuff can be a problem if your instance is sitting in a ME country but perhaps less obvious (and more troublesome) is text based content.
For instance if a user is enrolled on an instance located in Germany and then subscribes to Neo-Nazi content from an instance located in the United States. That NN material is now on your instance but much of it is probably illegal in Germany. What happens when the German Authorities find out and come knocking?
Even “Child Porn” isn’t nearly as cut and dried as most people think. Things like /c/tinytitties or /c/flatchested from lemmynsfw are arguably illegal in a place like Australia since the person can be perceived as under-age due to their physical characteristics. It gets worse when you toss in the AI Generated stuff.
Big Tech does a lot of juggling trying to stay clear of these problems and they have large legal teams to help them when they run into trouble. I rather doubt that most instance admins have the resources for it.
You have to have the ability to advocate for your rights under the law. Even if there are laws saying that the platform is not liable for content of the users, there can still be nuisance suits or prosecutions. Even if those actions are frivolous, it still costs to respond to them. They generally can’t be ignored.
The issue as I see it is that once Meta or someone similar can start pointing to far right instances, child abuse materials or anything of the like and start painting Lemmy as a whole as the new 4chan “radicalising and grooming the children” only to release their “new app” which is just their instance then the “free fediverse” is going to BE the fringe.
Large companies will have no desire to be involved with “that place” because the sanitised, community guidelines having, data farming goliath will have 2 billion users. Why risk the bad pr?
Why risk the bad PR of being on meta when you can be on your own instance that any other instance can access.
It’s like email. People don’t hold Google responsible if someone emails them with profanity.
I expect there will be sanitised versions and free for all versions. Moderation will differentiate but it may be that it’s send regulated, like porn on NSFW instances.
One thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve blocked the NSFW instance from my feed and any comments from there are blocked too. So users from instances with a lot of NSFW content may find they have less engagement. L it may be that more regulated instances have less freedom of speech but more people to listen.
Likely the realiry will be somewhere in the middle.
I think you have a very optimistic outlook on people. We understand how the fediverse works but I wouldnt trust most people to differentiate between the app and the content it serves.
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This. For now, what I do is join the ones that seem to have momentum with active posting. Eventually one will be dominant and I’ll drop the dead ones.
You don’t have to. You can. You can also only subscribe to one of them. Did you subscribe to every single subreddit covering a specific or non specific topic? Is it an issue that you get content from ~4 different communities / magazines of similar content? Why make it harder than it is?
Just subscribe to the most active one, just like with copycats on Reddit.