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You mean riots that you agree with right?
Seems like Heisenburg was a one trick pony. Jesse was the real visionary all along!
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This is disgusting, I love breaking bad and to see you blatantly lie and spread misinformation to turn the show homosexual is disgusting. You communists need to stop lying and stop turning everything gay.
Wut
I don’t think he’s ok
When localities pass ordinances to restrict more peaceful protests, they run the risk of pressurizing into even more violent and illegal protest situations.
I try to explain this to my dad. Protest means that people are unhappy and feel like their voices aren’t being heard. People need to be motivated to do it. It’s an effect, not a cause.
Speaking in terms of the USA, the constitution was built with the intended reasonable pursuit of escalating properly-to violence If need be. Peaceful protests, voting, freedom of speech, etc. are all avenues of reprimand towards an over reaching or overbearing government. Violence was seen as acceptable and even necessary in some cases but was never intended as a first resort.
This is why right to bear arms exists along with all the other approaches. Now it’s a matter or decision by the people of what methods have been exhausted, which are futile, and what is next.
Revolting, fighting, and force in the name of freedom from a truly oppressive government is a necessary sacrifice for any people who wish to live with the freedoms that brings regardless of nationality, location, or beliefs.
Clarifications: This is not against any government for any disagreement, just truly oppressive ones that strip human rights from the people.
Violence should never be a first resort, but has it’s place among negotiations.
Personal opinion: These means should not be used for ones own benefit, you are upset because of the ways of life for all the people, the rights of your people, there is a fair likelihood this method will result in a world you will never see or benefit significantly from, its for others; those that follow. How else would I be able to sit here and eat bugles if someone didn’t strive for a world good enough for me to do so?
Based and LeftPilled
i agree in the abstract, i’m less sure in reality. SCOTUS makes an unpopular ruling that takes away right to abortion for half the country: doctors in affected areas feel the credible threat of violence “i’ll lose my home and i’ll be locked behind bars if i perform abortions”, but SCOTUS don’t feel any threat like that. they’re free to make millions worse off because they don’t really fear repercussions for it.
violence isn’t a first resort, but organized society as we know it depends on the credible threat of violence. if only one party feels that threat to be credible, then “negotiations” are one-sided. “demilitarize the police” is a great way to balance those threats of violence by reducing violence (yay), but failing that how else to make the side you’re negotiating with treat your threat of violence as credibly as you treat theirs other than to actually use violence?
We remember the reasonable ones positively, but it isn’t all of them. It’s important to remember that not all riots or protests are to create a more equitable society. Unite the right was a riot for example and one could easily call Mussolini’s march on rome a protest.
Even peaceful protesters like MLK said that “riots are the voice of the unheard”
Yeah, but assholes can riot too. Assholes can be unheard. One needs to listen to what a group is demanding and ask if their demands are for justice or for injustice. Sometimes a race riot is against racism, sometimes it’s against racialized people doing well in a racist society. Jan 6 was a riot. They felt unheard and made demands and used violence to get them. That’s bad. Stonewall was a bunch of people who felt unheard, made demands, and used violence to get them. That was good. The difference is that society was right for listening to the votes instead of conspiracy theories and society was wrong for sending cops to arrest gay people.
I’m with Jesse on this one
The real question is, what changed? Why are we no longer ready to go up in arms against our governments for literally violating us?
my conspiracy theory is dopamine addiction. The price of everything goes up way faster than the things that entertain us. I think this is intentional, they stopped giving bread but keep up the circus.
Because the power imbalance got too great.
Machine guns, armored vehichles, and chemical weapons happened.
I mean… that never stopped workers people before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
At least in the US, the bourgeoisie was successful in breaking working class consciousness and solidarity. Technically speaking, we could always protest and bring up arms against them, but without these things, not enough people recognize the truth about their oppression and work together against it. Though from what I’ve seen, things are starting to change.
Divide and conquer aka culture war. Too many people were convinced that brown people, queer people and women having abortions are what’s threatening their wellbeing instead of capitalists exploiting everyone.
We should just start calling riots championship football celebrations. Then the media and the pols would love them.
This isn’t a bad idea, Philly and West Virginia have this trademarked
Americans needs to fucking quit their jobs and go peotest. Your country is shit and sitting idly by and posting memes about it, wont solve anything
Look at france.
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Oh cool we’ve moved the goalposts from “it wasn’t a riot” to “it was a justified riot.”
LMAO.
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Don’t equate the struggle for liberation and self-determination with a fascist coup attempt
You mean the attempted coup?
You mean rejecting both popular and representative democracy by attempting to kidnap and execute Congress?
This isn’t some event in 1850 that you can pretend was about state’s rights or some bullshit like that, since you dumbasses recorded the event and voiced the motives yourselves. There wasn’t any goal of making America a better place to live, just pure spite to punish everyone who said no to an openly shitty demagogue. Fuckin’ pathetic.
my favorite is whenever i encounter the phrase “non-permitted protest”. like, the idea that you should ask permission from the authority you’re protesting before doing so: it’s just so laughably missing the point
Yep. Having to get permission from some authority in order to oppose the authority in question makes no sense.
“Here’s your free speech zone 6 blocks from the event you’re trying to protest behind a huge black curtain so nobody can see you”
Riots are a last resort because people end up dead or in jail if they fail. You want to keep people who are on your side free and alive while achieving your goals.
Love this quote, everyone starts with the last sentence and sometimes include a few sentences after that but I think this section is the most generically useful bit. This applies everywhere for every struggle of the oppressed.
Wise words, but I think even MLK Jr would say take the peaceful approach first. You have to give peace a chance. If that doesn’t work, you escalate from there, but you don’t go scorched earth without trying the alternatives first.
His way was nonviolent, not peaceful.
What he was doing and why is often buried in history class - you could put it as “exploiting the system until everyone feels the hurt”
Civil disobedience wasn’t about a message or public sentiment - they were about getting arrested. You make a scene, the police are called, you refuse to cooperate until they’re forced to arrest you.
Having been arrested, they either let you go and you do it again, or they charge you - and now you’re in the court system. Now you have standing to challenge the laws, appeal to higher courts, and counter-sue
They tied up the courts, ground businesses to a halt, and disrupted people’s lives
It wasn’t physically violent, but it was violent in a more metaphorical way. They didn’t win over hearts and minds… They just made it more politically costly to keep fighting them off than to give in
And there’s an argument to be made that this all wouldn’t have worked without the black Panthers… Their purpose was to show up armed when the police came to black neighborhoods. They were an unspoken threat - we’re playing within the rules of the system, but if you break them all bets are off
He used peace because the bigots seeing “inferior violent savages” organizing peaceful protests made them more uncomfortable than if they were violent. It’s not because he thought violent protest was outright bad, just not as useful in his circumstances. He worked along side of organizers who did use violence. His approach was likely strengthened by this. Also, so many of his protests were called riots by the media. If you take a stand against the monied, they will use it to make your movement appear violent and evil even when it’s not.
You do understand I’m not saying “riots and violence don’t have a place”, they absolutely do. What I’m saying is don’t go straight to riots and violence unless peaceful options have been exhausted. The French and US revolutions were two prime examples of violence bringing change, and I can’t say there was anything wrong with what the people were doing as those in power refused to accept peaceful resolution.
For context this is the full quote, where MLK Jr. condemns riots but also equally condemns the conditions that cause people to riot: inequality, injustice, lack of humanity, lack of progress.
Yeah I’m not gonna die for what? So others get to reap the reward? The only reward I got to reap is other people’s greed. I’m not dying for your kids lol.
You’re allowed to decide where your moral responsibilities lie. I will say that “I’m not going to do anything that has no value for me personally” is a take that’s caused a lot of the ills plaguing the world today. Not suggesting you have to die for others but remember that a rising tide raises all ships, and a better world will be better for everyone, including you and the people you care about.
“I’m not the one being oppressed so I’ll just sit back and watch” is the stance the US tried to take in WWII until it affected them personally and just imagine how things could have turned out had they stayed that course.
Based take.
I swear, if you could teleport some people back to the French revolution, they’d be like “No need to protest, the king will give up absolute power on his own if we keep asking nicely” 🙄
The French Revolution is way more complex and nuanced than that, and saying the people protested against the power of the king per se is really missing the point.
A better example would have been King Charles I and the English civil war.
The idea of a Right Wing literally exists because the deputies who thought that way in France back then took the right side of the chamber.
As a Portlander, we had our fair share of riots… The problem is any lack of a coherent message.
Things would start off fine during the day with a Black Lives Matter protest, but as soon as the sun went down it became taken over by anarchist white kids who just wanted an excuse to break things and steal shit.
Not all protests are the same, and when you have people attacking an Historical Society for no good goddamn reason, that’s where you lose support:
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/04/portland-church-park-historical-society-damaged-in-downtown-riot-the-destruction-is-pretty-gnarly.html
Same for blocking streets and freeways. You want to piss off your intended audience? Keep them from going home.
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/06/09/portland-protesters-briefly-seize-a-freeway-but-police-refrain-from-using-more-force/
To top things off… the things they were protesting had fuck all to do with Portland. What do you want Portland to do about ANY of this shit?
Cool story bro
Now try being this angry about cops when THEY break things and steal shit and yknow KILL PEOPLE.
That’s the thing, if that was happening in PORTLAND, the protests would be 100% justified. It wasn’t and isn’t.
People in Portland just want to protest, but they don’t want to go where it would do any good. They want to “feel like I did something” when at best what they’re doing does nothing and at worst is actively harmful.
When I was growing up I had a lot of right-wing influences in my ear; I almost grew up to be an alt-right/fascist psycho. I’ve reformed now, and I’m the polar opposite of where I was when I was younger, but I hope I can offer a little insight into why protest is so demonized: it’s because people don’t think it actually works.
Protests, riots, and other public shows of solidarity are viewed in the same way as a petition: it’s not going to actually get anything done, it’s just raising awareness and trying to get people to agree with you. This is, of course, a fundamental misunderstanding of what protest (or even petitions) are really about… But when I was in that mindset, I didn’t care to know more, and I didn’t bother to read into. There’s a great deal of cognitive dissonance regarding it, because historically-speaking, protests are typically lionized, i.e. the Boston Tea Party.
I’m not saying to sympathize either; being a fashy shithead is first and foremost a choice. I just hope this helps with understanding a bit more. ACAB, taxation is theft, keep fighting the good fight.
I don’t think protests work and sometimes I roll my eyes when I hear about them. But it’s just because I’m disillusioned, and far be it from me to stop anyone from trying.