Update: In light of the programming.dev update here
https://programming.dev/post/8399272 [https://programming.dev/post/8399272], the
defederation is no longer going ahead. However, something more needs to be said.
Even here on Blahaj, some of our users took issue with the choice to defederate
over this issue.
So I would like to give some background and context. Blahaj Zone exists, because
both Kaity and I left mainstream social media to escape transphobia. Reddit,
with its lackluster approach to fighting transphobia, and twitter, with its
outright celebration of transphobia pushed us here, to the fediverse, and to
create Blahaj Zone and Blahaj Lemmy. To that end, we will continue to treat
transphobia seriously. Our goal is to create a space where gender diverse folk
can exist and let our defenses down a little, where we don’t have to worry about
getting dragged in to an argument with a transphobe, or a bad faith actor “just
asking questions”. If you are looking for a more reddit like experience, where
in the interest of increased engagement, we let low level transphobia slide, and
push responsibility for dealing with it on to community mods and individual
users, then you will likely not be happy with blahaj going forward. If you
choose to stay here, understand that we may defederate again in the future over
similar issues. The choice is yours. ====== It has recently been brought to my
attention that the lead admin of programming.dev is engaging in ongoing
transphobia. You can see the conversation in question here
https://programming.dev/comment/6131539
[https://programming.dev/comment/6131539] For that reason we will be
defederating from programming.dev in 48 hours. There are only three communities
on that instance used by small number of our users, so this won’t have a big
impact, but if you are one of those users, you will need to use an alt account
on another instance if you wish to access the communities.
The admin banned people for saying that calling everything transpobia isn’t the way to make you seem reasonable and all non blahaj TLC get removed by default.
I kinda thought the ‘cissie’ name-calling was a little obstructive to proper conversation. I get that some people are really offended by the ‘cis’ name, and I’m not sure the writer didn’t choose that jeer intentionally because of that.
The nice thing about the Fediverse is that people can go forum shopping. Blåhaj is an instance that chooses to defederate too much rather than too little, making sure to create a safe space even if this safe space is smaller. That’s between them and their users. As long as there are users who appreciate this approach to moderation, it’s good for the Fediverse that such an instance exists.
I don’t think post titles in this community should include personal bias.
“lemmy.blahaj.zone admin announces defederation from programming.dev because of controversial comments made by their admin” would have been better and much more factual.
Cambridge Dictionary defines “controversial” as “causing disagreement or discussion”. The admin’s comments did just that, so objectively speaking they are controversial.
That’s pretty idiotic in case of a federated service. you can just close registration and delete the user database so nobody can do anything “anti trans” on your instance if you act like a child on such hilariously small issues.
I’ve come very close to giving up on the fediverse because of the tankie/bot instances. I swear my blood pressure goes up when I just hear “hexbear”, what a pile of toxic garbage.
Kind of fucked up reasoning, but you’re not wrong, it was pretty harmless, but the point of blahaj is specifically to be a trans space, no matter how small that ends up being so…
Idk of they are trans but they are blahaj users and got lots of upvotes for it there are however trans people saying explicitly that its BS and completely out of proportion.
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Good thing nobody is forcing you to have an account on Blahaj
Ridiculous power tripping.
I kinda thought the ‘cissie’ name-calling was a little obstructive to proper conversation. I get that some people are really offended by the ‘cis’ name, and I’m not sure the writer didn’t choose that jeer intentionally because of that.
It is offensive.
And idiotic as hell. Like… They say you shouldn’t mock people based on their sexuality or gender yet this happens all the time…
Nah their admin is drama queen. Unfortunately being trans doesn’t makes your decisions automatically right and everyone else transphobic.
I’m not talking about this particular case and I think their defederation from Lemmy NSFW was also stupid.
… wasn’t that over loli/shota stuff?
No it was because this community: https://lemmynsfw.com/c/adorableporn
Why on earth would that cause issues? I expected a much worse community to cause a defederation
The nice thing about the Fediverse is that people can go forum shopping. Blåhaj is an instance that chooses to defederate too much rather than too little, making sure to create a safe space even if this safe space is smaller. That’s between them and their users. As long as there are users who appreciate this approach to moderation, it’s good for the Fediverse that such an instance exists.
Got banned for saying that you cant call everything transpobia and shut people up with that.
I don’t think post titles in this community should include personal bias.
“lemmy.blahaj.zone admin announces defederation from programming.dev because of controversial comments made by their admin” would have been better and much more factual.
“controversial comments” my ass. Its a textbook powertripp over a very minor issue
Cambridge Dictionary defines “controversial” as “causing disagreement or discussion”. The admin’s comments did just that, so objectively speaking they are controversial.
The only people finding it worth arguing are hexbears and that admin, its not controversial its bs.
That’s your opinion, which I’m saying should be excluded from the post title.
Its not a opinion, the stuff you wrote makes it seem like the blahaj admin has a case or anything besides a powertripp about a game.
Their cause is “their website, their rules”. They really don’t need to justify what other independent websites they share content with.
That’s pretty idiotic in case of a federated service. you can just close registration and delete the user database so nobody can do anything “anti trans” on your instance if you act like a child on such hilariously small issues.
Is helping sick babies controversial? I bet I could find someone who thinks we shouldn’t help sick babies.
Do let me know if you find someone like that.
This must be the most pathetic reason for defedaration I’ve ever seen.
Almost. The lemmy.ml defederation of ani.social is still top of all because it was completely made up
yeah that sucks honestly since i never seen anything remotely related to reason they provided for the defederation
Eh its a masked tankie instance, i used a app ever since to block the instance among hexbear and lemmygrad still completely made up shitshow reason
Only reason im mad is because they took the instance from join-lemmy.org what a disgrace to humanity they are…
i think they reverted that change later after hitagi made an issue on gh
Ah ok yeah, still idiots.
I’ve come very close to giving up on the fediverse because of the tankie/bot instances. I swear my blood pressure goes up when I just hear “hexbear”, what a pile of toxic garbage.
100% this. Glad there are instances that stand against it.
Admin sees an anime illustration: “Oh my god this is child porn. DEFEDERATE DEFEDERATE!”
Basically. I understand that if we speak about burggit but man ani.social has a 0 tolerance rule for legal reasons.
Looking at the comment thread and seeing that it’s all hexbear users makes me think whatever he said was justified.
He didn’t even say anything bad or transpobic, just played a game and made a post that ot won a award…
Kind of fucked up reasoning, but you’re not wrong, it was pretty harmless, but the point of blahaj is specifically to be a trans space, no matter how small that ends up being so…
Good luck, I guess.
I mean there are literally people in the thread saying they outright leave blahaj for this shit and it’s 100% justified.
Are the trans people saying that?
Idk of they are trans but they are blahaj users and got lots of upvotes for it there are however trans people saying explicitly that its BS and completely out of proportion.
It’s perfectly fine to have ultra safe spaces, but I do wonder why they’re then putting them on the Fediverse.