https://lemm.ee/post/54155328/17905549 is the first example, where Call Me Leni/Lenny/Shinigamiookamiryuu posted a link to Twitter, and someone responded with “ew, Xitter Link”.
Call Me Leni/Lenny/Shinigamiookamiryuu replied with “Who is Xitter Link”? and it was explained that the owner of Twitter is a Nazi, to which Call Me Leni/Lenny/Shinigamiookamiryuu responded with “The whole salute thing has been debunked though.” Call Me Leni/Lenny/Shinigamiookamiryuu locked the thread after members replied to the statement of the salute being debunked.
29 days ago, someone made a thread on a Support community on Lemmy.world https://lemm.ee/post/55188600 and this prompted Call Me Leni/Lenny/Shinigamiookamiryuu to do what other users perceived as doubling down:
I disagree with the sealioning assertion. He’s outright denying Musk’s Nazi salute despite Musk’s own public commitment to Nazi political parties. Everything he says is proveably wrong.
They’re not the Nazis though. Nazism is illegal in Germany, right? Yet the AfD is currently the second largest party in Germany (ironically contrasting with Musk himself, who is a pariah in German institutions for the very reason that he is branded how he is). This is not to say I support the AfD, but I don’t conflate them.
You do not speak for my intent for things that were said years ago that I already received karma for.
I might as well say it outright this time around, but I’ve consulted admins (who have done a thing or two about it) about your deceptive, witch-hunting grudge towards me in the past, and I’m not outside doing it again.
You are free to AMA if you are confused. I don’t know who may or may not consider my reliable, but at least the asker would get to be the judge on that with both perspectives having been examined, and I will provide proofs too.
So let me get this straight; you’re arguing that everything is okay because you got punished for it in the past? And that the act itself was not actually bad because it was just proship fanfic stuff?
I would venture to guess you wouldn’t want things you said or did years ago to follow you forever either just because someone who has a grudge on you has the power to bring it up. Rough analogy, but it would be like saying it’s alright for a guy who served a few years in prison for a bank robbery to be run out of his new home by the bankers just because what he did before he served time was “not okay”.
The shipping thread was a thread made out of jest, and everyone else was used up, and I made the pairing.
Now, before you mention the third thing showcased, keep in mind I was banned before March 28th 2023 (for reasons I could get into but which should get their own block), which is the date it mentions. Several people can attest to this. I think this should be taken as a sign most people here are far too unquestioning.
As for the “semantic argument”, I am explaining what I meant. Because I’m relaying the semantics I meant by explaining those semantics. Everyone except the person I was responding to responded to me with confusion at the time, including Danish and including the rule enforcers. They knew what I meant, or I would have been out of there a lot sooner.
Woah, I’ve been reading up her controversial comments and holy shit… She’s got a bad case of hardcore centrism which to me is as problematic as extremism.
Is it suddenly a sin to look at an issue like this from a different angle compared to everyone else? There is a difference between saying “all Nazis are bad” (a position I have always held) and asking “can we really conclude this person is one of them”.
This all came after another controversy where I was trying to dissuade support for a murderer and dissuade support for the targeting of people based on social class, and so I have been mentally juggling around what actually counts as suggestively acceptable versus unacceptable. Choose one, people. Am I supposed to see deadly gestures plainly or not? Anyone would be free to answer.
Elon Musk performed a Nazi salute…twice, standing in front of a presidential seal, at a nationally televised presidential inauguration. Then, instead of apologizing and/or clearing things up, he doubled down.
That’s the problem. People think of this too simply. He doubled down on people speaking for his intentions behind the gesture, and even encyclopedias echoes the same caution I do. Are those encyclopedias pro-Nazi?
In a world where it is considered “radical centrism” to be deconstructive of Elon Musk but also considered being a public menace to call Luigi Mangione and his supporters out for similar extremist alignments (the latter which I have not cracked down on since the other controversy), I guess I’ll say it this way: Unless he actually shows himself in the future to have had ideas that follow the lethality or level of discrimination displayed by Nazis (de facto) or identifies with them by name (de jure), I am anchoring onto the position which is well-held enough to be the position of said encyclopedias and which cements the fact there are two sides to every story, despite what many people in this far more extreme crowd would like me to think.
The second thing you’re thinking of happened years ago. Despite your claim about me apologizing, I did apologize for that. The very same individual I remarked that to was recently encouraged to off themselves by the same people trying to call me out for telling him to do that, all for agreeing with me that he has the final call on whether I am to be forgiven (and because they have sympathies for his transphobic ex, who they have sympathies toward for no other reason than a common interest in preaching hate toward me).
Didn’t even think about this to be honest, it’s quite old and IIRC in the end Lenni apologized and came out clean? I don’t remember the details to be honest, I just remember people sending to each other Dailymotion links
Ah, could be. As I said, it wasn’t really on my mind when creating [email protected]. If she’s still a mod on [email protected] I guess the mod team there still trusts her
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention
Intentions do not exist outside someone’s head. You cannot reliably know someone else’s intentions. You cannot use intentions to conclude or debunk anything.
I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute.
The difference is context. Registeel’s raised arm:
Who: a game company that typically tries to stay clear of controversial topics.
Whom: the game is geared towards a Japanese audience. Even a rising Sun flag would convey better right-wing ideologies to that audience.
What else is around it: Registeel is found inside a fucking cave dammit. And there’s nothing else in either the pokemon’s description or the environment that would even remotely reinforce that you should read its raised arm as a Nazi salute. Plus GF silently lowered Registeel’s arm in the following games.
In the meantime, Musk’s gesture:
Who: a public figure known for babbling inane conspiracy theories, anti-Semitic views, transphobic views, etc.
Whom: to people cheering a freshly elected Trump. Among them, plenty Nazi.
What else is around it: Musk does a bunch of Nazi jokes that only reinforce that his salute should be understood as a Nazi salute from a Nazi saluting Nazi.
While I think that it’s important to keep witch hunting at bay, sometimes you need to call a duck a “duck”, or a nazi salute “Nazi salute”.
I think that Lenny is simply clueless though. I don’t think that she’s actively defending that muppet.
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I disagree with the sealioning assertion. He’s outright denying Musk’s Nazi salute despite Musk’s own public commitment to Nazi political parties. Everything he says is proveably wrong.
She’s a she
Thanks, friend.
Like the gay black woman Dean Brown
Dean Brown the guitarist?
Can you prove it then? I’m genuinely curious, as aside from his conspiracy theories, I’ve never seen Musk outright identify that way.
?
He has publicly supported the AfD at an election event and campaigned people to vote for them
They’re not the Nazis though. Nazism is illegal in Germany, right? Yet the AfD is currently the second largest party in Germany (ironically contrasting with Musk himself, who is a pariah in German institutions for the very reason that he is branded how he is). This is not to say I support the AfD, but I don’t conflate them.
“Yeah, his fingerprints were all over the murder weapon, he was seen by three witnesses, and had 8 motives, but he’s never identified as guilty.”
Also, anytime someone is “genuinely curious”, I press X to doubt.
Alright, what were the eight motives? And what are you comparing to the unambiguity of fingerprints?
This is the same user that’s been accused of grooming minors, right? I’m still confused about that whole situation, to be honest.
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Wtf
Wait for the incoming Dailymotion videos!
Waiting patiently 🙏
You do not speak for my intent for things that were said years ago that I already received karma for.
I might as well say it outright this time around, but I’ve consulted admins (who have done a thing or two about it) about your deceptive, witch-hunting grudge towards me in the past, and I’m not outside doing it again.
You are free to AMA if you are confused. I don’t know who may or may not consider my reliable, but at least the asker would get to be the judge on that with both perspectives having been examined, and I will provide proofs too.
Are you triagonal on Deviantart? If so, why were you asking for erotica about you going on a date with a teenager?
That’s the neat part, I wasn’t. That wasn’t what was being said.
Ok, so what did you mean?
The only word in my request that could’ve meant anything NSFW was the word “date”, yet it can also just mean time spent out.
So let me get this straight; you’re arguing that everything is okay because you got punished for it in the past? And that the act itself was not actually bad because it was just proship fanfic stuff?
I would venture to guess you wouldn’t want things you said or did years ago to follow you forever either just because someone who has a grudge on you has the power to bring it up. Rough analogy, but it would be like saying it’s alright for a guy who served a few years in prison for a bank robbery to be run out of his new home by the bankers just because what he did before he served time was “not okay”.
I feel like you’re making a semantic argument here rather than explaining what your comment meant.
Also, you mentioned danish in a shipping thread, does shipping not mean pushing for a romantic relationship between the people mentioned?
The shipping thread was a thread made out of jest, and everyone else was used up, and I made the pairing.
Now, before you mention the third thing showcased, keep in mind I was banned before March 28th 2023 (for reasons I could get into but which should get their own block), which is the date it mentions. Several people can attest to this. I think this should be taken as a sign most people here are far too unquestioning.
As for the “semantic argument”, I am explaining what I meant. Because I’m relaying the semantics I meant by explaining those semantics. Everyone except the person I was responding to responded to me with confusion at the time, including Danish and including the rule enforcers. They knew what I meant, or I would have been out of there a lot sooner.
Moron mods.
Not just a Reddit phenomenon.
Woah, I’ve been reading up her controversial comments and holy shit… She’s got a bad case of hardcore centrism which to me is as problematic as extremism.
You got anymore of them pixels? I really can’t understand what’s in the screenshot.
Git gud
Is it so wrong to apply the concept of due process to one’s intent?
Hardcore bootlicker… Always comes out on the pro regime side lol
Questioning of peoples’ intent regarding a regime =/= Pro-regime
Lol wat
I remember that user from YPTB. Absolutely made my day when people started ripping on the rambling way he writes.
The writing style is beyond incoherent…
I never once saw you ask me to elaborate or paraphrase.
*She
I have a certain manner of speaking that still manages to follow all the rules of grammar. So what?
She’s a she
Thanks, friend.
My bad, wasn’t aware. Doesn’t change how I feel about the obnoxious writing style though, for the record.
Fair enough
Is it suddenly a sin to look at an issue like this from a different angle compared to everyone else? There is a difference between saying “all Nazis are bad” (a position I have always held) and asking “can we really conclude this person is one of them”.
This all came after another controversy where I was trying to dissuade support for a murderer and dissuade support for the targeting of people based on social class, and so I have been mentally juggling around what actually counts as suggestively acceptable versus unacceptable. Choose one, people. Am I supposed to see deadly gestures plainly or not? Anyone would be free to answer.
Let me make this simple for you.
Elon Musk performed a Nazi salute…twice, standing in front of a presidential seal, at a nationally televised presidential inauguration. Then, instead of apologizing and/or clearing things up, he doubled down.
Elon Musk is a Nazi.
Thank you for your time.
That’s the problem. People think of this too simply. He doubled down on people speaking for his intentions behind the gesture, and even encyclopedias echoes the same caution I do. Are those encyclopedias pro-Nazi?
In a world where it is considered “radical centrism” to be deconstructive of Elon Musk but also considered being a public menace to call Luigi Mangione and his supporters out for similar extremist alignments (the latter which I have not cracked down on since the other controversy), I guess I’ll say it this way: Unless he actually shows himself in the future to have had ideas that follow the lethality or level of discrimination displayed by Nazis (de facto) or identifies with them by name (de jure), I am anchoring onto the position which is well-held enough to be the position of said encyclopedias and which cements the fact there are two sides to every story, despite what many people in this far more extreme crowd would like me to think.
That person is a grade A bootlicker… Modded people over Luigi sentiment while personally has been caught telling people to kill themselves.
You say that like Luigi sentiment is any better than Musk sentiment.
The second thing you’re thinking of happened years ago. Despite your claim about me apologizing, I did apologize for that. The very same individual I remarked that to was recently encouraged to off themselves by the same people trying to call me out for telling him to do that, all for agreeing with me that he has the final call on whether I am to be forgiven (and because they have sympathies for his transphobic ex, who they have sympathies toward for no other reason than a common interest in preaching hate toward me).
Yikes, I guess that puts some perspective on the thread about making a new ask community on lemm.ee.
Didn’t even think about this to be honest, it’s quite old and IIRC in the end Lenni apologized and came out clean? I don’t remember the details to be honest, I just remember people sending to each other Dailymotion links
No didn’t apologize, doesn’t have the maturity for that but clearly has very strong “convictions” otherwise
And you would know this how?
We already went through this on the power tripping sub
Then act like it.
Ah, could be. As I said, it wasn’t really on my mind when creating [email protected]. If she’s still a mod on [email protected] I guess the mod team there still trusts her
That’s their choice. She is unfit for the modding gig IMHO
😂
I missed that the new community is called
!askand not!asklemmy. Nice that it allows for Piefed/Mbin and any other platform that may come up :)It does! There’s a meme about that in the community somewhere 😄
They had nothing to do with each other. The OP isn’t even being fully honest.
I don’t blame you for being pro-nazi. But you shouldn’t try to hide it like that, it’s ridiculous.
The fuck?
I blame them.
Blame me for what? Being something I’m not?
Intentions do not exist outside someone’s head. You cannot reliably know someone else’s intentions. You cannot use intentions to conclude or debunk anything.
The difference is context. Registeel’s raised arm:
In the meantime, Musk’s gesture:
While I think that it’s important to keep witch hunting at bay, sometimes you need to call a duck a “duck”, or a nazi salute “Nazi salute”.
I think that Lenny is simply clueless though. I don’t think that she’s actively defending that muppet.