Most of the discussion and sources of content talk about movies and series.
I’ve been recently looking for psy and techno music, finding FLAC or WAV with active seeders feels like striking gold. It’s definitely been a while since I’ve looked for active torrent sites and it feels more barren than ever.
Edit: Thank you all for all that valuable information. The reddit group really wasn’t this helpful and valued making fun over adding real use able knowledge.
I think music & movies are widely available than ever before through the telegram app… There are so many apps for movies and music… what’s the point of using torrents then ?..
For me it’s pretty much dead. Since I’ve got YT music subscription I don’t download music anymore, except some rare, obscure bands from past. Because modern, rare obscure I can support via Bandcamp and the likes. For real gold mine of music checkout soulseek. If it’s not there, you can assume it doesn’t exists
Youtube scrapers like Newpipe and alternative frontend makes listening easy if you aren’t quality obsessed. This has been adequate for my levels of listening.
Some private trackers have massive music collection dumps.
However, I’d say directly supporting artists through storefronts like bandcamp is the best way to go, where it’s available. No DRM, no bullshit, the artist benefits. This, to me, is the best alternative to piracy.
Napster, Deezer, Tidal aren’t terrible offerings either FWIW.
Telegram is a shitty messenger apart from having a big file upload limit, which makes it good for piracy. Anyway, those bots just scrape song titles, go to youtube and download songs from there, no magic involved
The audio quality pales in comparison. I have no idea if Dezer scrapping is still working but you can get flac from scrapping it. YouTube music is junk
I actually built a stereo system that can play CDs recently and have stared buying used CDs to play on it.
I don’t really mind paying the equivalent of a drink or two from a vending machine for an album from a band that I like. And I get a neat physical thing that I can look at.
Yeah, I’m old enough to have grown up buying vinyl records. I want to buy a physical copy of the music I like.
The idea of depending on a streaming service to keep something available has always mades me uncomfortable, and given the recent removal of content from some of the studios’ services, it looks like my gut feeling was correct.
Spotify is very affordable and provides pretty much all music on earth. I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to download songs if I can just conveniently stream them all from one legit service.
The state of video streaming is hardly Netflix’s fault. When every channel starts a subscription service and pulls it’s content from the others everyone loses.
Music streaming on the other hand is a complete experience on every service. It’s kind of a miracle tbh.
Some stuff is too obscure to be on Youtube, and IIRC the bitrate there is only 192kbps. It’s acceptable as far as I care, but I would still look for better rips if available.
Spotify has basically nothing I’ve ever tried to actively listen to. It’s also missing tracks of larger artists. It’s also still subject to licensing which means what you have saved isn’t guaranteed to be there forever (unless you’re using a spotify downloader, I guess. I don’t know why you would if you feel comfortable enough paying for it but not enough that you won’t still download them?). Personally, to me it seems crazy to pay $10 a month for music I’m probably going to listen to for each month for the rest of my life? People always say it’s great for discovery but I don’t see how it’s any better than any other avenue of finding new artists and releases. The convenience of an online app isn’t very convenient for me, it being streamed is something that affects me on road trips and I’d need to have the foresight to download something, vs permanently having the songs on my phone (or a step further, microSD cards filled with music.) Like it was before? Just like Google Photos, if I can host my own photo backup on my computer why am I paying someone else an exorbitant fee? I can take this even further, I have Plex setup (and other music servers) and use Plexamp which is essentially my curated Spotify. Bonus: I have my core music on my phone, I have extra music streaming to me.
It also doesn’t seem to be sustainable, each yeah Spotify operates at a loss while artists get very little payout from it. More than if you pirated from them, sure, but much less than if you just buy the album directly from their options be it physical or digital, or buy just one concert ticket and one merch item.
All this said, as with most things these are subjective case by case freedoms. Many get what they need from it and that’s good enough and they’re happy. Others just like to rip it all themselves and setup bubbleuPnP servers, and some probably are still just only playing CD’s through their car that doesn’t have AUX or bluetooth. If your decision to listen to an artist with the intent to give them your money, you probably should buy things from them instead of listening to them exclusively on Spotify you pay for. If your decision to listen to music is to just hear stuff, discovery, and it has even just 60% of a catalog of songs you’d listen to, the convenience is probably worth paying for. Especially given that technically the alternatives I’ve mentioned have an upfront cost of a computer and hard drives - for what it’s worth only the cost of 2 years of Spotify and ~2 to 4 hours of setup time, but still a larger cost nonetheless.
That’s worth it for some, they just prefer having it all physical/digitally stored and accessible for sampling and playback, the discovery and library probably aren’t as deep as what they’re looking for.
I mean vanced. I was too lazy to set up revanced and instead tried out NewPipe. I hate how I don’t have my really optimized suggested page on NewPipe but I get around that by using vanced to browse and then opening the video in NewPipe via the share button. A nice plus of NewPipe however is how my subscriptions now really are just the channels I really care about and not the 1000 random ones I’ve subbed to over the last few years.
Try revanced and that additional package recommended by them that allows it to use google account - I forgot the name - micro g perhaps? It works quite well for me at least. There are some discrepancies between homepage at home pc and phone, but it’s better than nothing or ads. Process was quite simple, download youtube apk, install revanced patcher and apply patch to the app.
I really like Apple Music. Actually supports lossless, unlike Spotify, and it just feels much more music focused. Spotify has become too bloated, and I view it more as a “sound” app than a music app.
I pay for family spotify - we all use it a lot and the Daily Mixes, Release Radar, Discover Weekly playlists are unbeatble. I’ve used Tidal, Deezer, Youtube music before but their playlist creation is nowwhere near as good.
However I do download from Deemix as a backup . For me 128kbp is totally fine for what I need - yes its not the highest quality, but through bluetooth speakers in the car or bluetooth headphones it sounds absolutely fine for me. It might not be CD quality, but its better than broadcast radio, which is perfectly good enough for me.
People have different tolerancies for these sorts of things. I bet @plexnose is quite happy with the relatively lackluster bitrate of their audio, however others may whince at the quality and declare it unlistenable (is that a word?)
Like, I have a few years old 55" 4K HDR TV, its not OLED, but it was good at the time. However a lot of my archived content is 720p, and I really don’t mind. In fact I don’t hardly notice. Sure if I switch to a 4K Bluray, its better, but I enjoyed the 720p show just as much and it wasn’t like jarring or anything.
I don’t like using other people’s hacked account. Keeping music data after my licensed agreement (which is still going, actually) seems like a crime no one actually loses from. Using someone else’s hacked account seems highly, highly unethical to me.
It’s usually not a hacked account. Most of them are free trials from binned credit cards. There are groups out there that will share bins that work for certain services like Tidal/Deezer/Qobuz. Once you get the free trial, you use it for a month and then you start the next one
I’ve paid monthly for Deezer HiFi in the past like 3 years, I don’t consider it unethical to store the FLACs on my PC so I can use my own local music player to listen to them as long as I keep paying for the service.
I do consider it unethical to scam Deezer into giving me new trials every month. I’m not one to tell you what to do or not do, but I don’t personally want to do that.
Yeah but there’s piracy that creates “lost opportunity cost” (which is just companies complaining) and piracy that actually uses servers/services without paying for them.
You can have your opinion and I can have mine. It just baffles me that you’re talking about lost opportunity costs and “hurting corporations” on a community dedicated to Piracy
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why pirate when bandcamp has everything I want on FLAC for pennies and I get to send lewd messages to my favourite artists when I buy stuff
why pay pennies when you can pay 0
Because I actually, you know, like the artists I like.
so you support them by giving them $0.000000000000001
Most of the proceeds from sales goes directly to the band for bandcamp sales. Roughly 82% apparently: https://bandcamp.com/about
The album prices are pretty high sometimes and many artists are not on bandcamp
Yeah but fuck those guys.
I think music & movies are widely available than ever before through the telegram app… There are so many apps for movies and music… what’s the point of using torrents then ?..
For me it’s pretty much dead. Since I’ve got YT music subscription I don’t download music anymore, except some rare, obscure bands from past. Because modern, rare obscure I can support via Bandcamp and the likes. For real gold mine of music checkout soulseek. If it’s not there, you can assume it doesn’t exists
Soulseek is the goto piracy thing for music.
Streaming service ripping is alive and well.
Youtube scrapers like Newpipe and alternative frontend makes listening easy if you aren’t quality obsessed. This has been adequate for my levels of listening.
Some private trackers have massive music collection dumps.
However, I’d say directly supporting artists through storefronts like bandcamp is the best way to go, where it’s available. No DRM, no bullshit, the artist benefits. This, to me, is the best alternative to piracy.
Napster, Deezer, Tidal aren’t terrible offerings either FWIW.
Sorry to ask a dumb question but how do I rip from streaming services? It’s worth buying a subscription for this ability
I don’t want to link to anything directly, but it’s possible to use ReVanced to get YouTube Music for free.
Would you be able to DM me?
god, there’s lot of telegram bots which can download music from services like deezer/spotify/soundcloud/etc
from my perspective, music piracy is not dying anytime soon
God, I need to start using Telegram.
Telegram is a shitty messenger apart from having a big file upload limit, which makes it good for piracy. Anyway, those bots just scrape song titles, go to youtube and download songs from there, no magic involved
The audio quality pales in comparison. I have no idea if Dezer scrapping is still working but you can get flac from scrapping it. YouTube music is junk
RIP what.cd
I actually built a stereo system that can play CDs recently and have stared buying used CDs to play on it.
I don’t really mind paying the equivalent of a drink or two from a vending machine for an album from a band that I like. And I get a neat physical thing that I can look at.
Yeah, I’m old enough to have grown up buying vinyl records. I want to buy a physical copy of the music I like.
The idea of depending on a streaming service to keep something available has always mades me uncomfortable, and given the recent removal of content from some of the studios’ services, it looks like my gut feeling was correct.
Spotify is very affordable and provides pretty much all music on earth. I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to download songs if I can just conveniently stream them all from one legit service.
Yep its basically like Netflix before it shit the bed.
The state of video streaming is hardly Netflix’s fault. When every channel starts a subscription service and pulls it’s content from the others everyone loses.
Music streaming on the other hand is a complete experience on every service. It’s kind of a miracle tbh.
Still no word on the hifi tier though
I’ve always wondered why today you would torrent music instead of just downloading the audio from another site like yt.
The only upside I could see to torrenting music is the better quality, which is fair I guess, if you want super high quality.
Some stuff is too obscure to be on Youtube, and IIRC the bitrate there is only 192kbps. It’s acceptable as far as I care, but I would still look for better rips if available.
YT has opus files that are pretty good. Definitely enough for most
iirc for music opus starts being transparent (i.e where you or most people can’t tell quality loss) at 160kbps
The thing about it is that Spotify premium to me isn’t that expensive and has everything I need
Spotify has basically nothing I’ve ever tried to actively listen to. It’s also missing tracks of larger artists. It’s also still subject to licensing which means what you have saved isn’t guaranteed to be there forever (unless you’re using a spotify downloader, I guess. I don’t know why you would if you feel comfortable enough paying for it but not enough that you won’t still download them?). Personally, to me it seems crazy to pay $10 a month for music I’m probably going to listen to for each month for the rest of my life? People always say it’s great for discovery but I don’t see how it’s any better than any other avenue of finding new artists and releases. The convenience of an online app isn’t very convenient for me, it being streamed is something that affects me on road trips and I’d need to have the foresight to download something, vs permanently having the songs on my phone (or a step further, microSD cards filled with music.) Like it was before? Just like Google Photos, if I can host my own photo backup on my computer why am I paying someone else an exorbitant fee? I can take this even further, I have Plex setup (and other music servers) and use Plexamp which is essentially my curated Spotify. Bonus: I have my core music on my phone, I have extra music streaming to me.
It also doesn’t seem to be sustainable, each yeah Spotify operates at a loss while artists get very little payout from it. More than if you pirated from them, sure, but much less than if you just buy the album directly from their options be it physical or digital, or buy just one concert ticket and one merch item.
All this said, as with most things these are subjective case by case freedoms. Many get what they need from it and that’s good enough and they’re happy. Others just like to rip it all themselves and setup bubbleuPnP servers, and some probably are still just only playing CD’s through their car that doesn’t have AUX or bluetooth. If your decision to listen to an artist with the intent to give them your money, you probably should buy things from them instead of listening to them exclusively on Spotify you pay for. If your decision to listen to music is to just hear stuff, discovery, and it has even just 60% of a catalog of songs you’d listen to, the convenience is probably worth paying for. Especially given that technically the alternatives I’ve mentioned have an upfront cost of a computer and hard drives - for what it’s worth only the cost of 2 years of Spotify and ~2 to 4 hours of setup time, but still a larger cost nonetheless.
That’s worth it for some, they just prefer having it all physical/digitally stored and accessible for sampling and playback, the discovery and library probably aren’t as deep as what they’re looking for.
While youtube vanced is falling apart, vanced music is still running just fine for me :D
You mean vanced or revanced? For me latest revanced version works fine? What are the issues?
I mean vanced. I was too lazy to set up revanced and instead tried out NewPipe. I hate how I don’t have my really optimized suggested page on NewPipe but I get around that by using vanced to browse and then opening the video in NewPipe via the share button. A nice plus of NewPipe however is how my subscriptions now really are just the channels I really care about and not the 1000 random ones I’ve subbed to over the last few years.
Try revanced and that additional package recommended by them that allows it to use google account - I forgot the name - micro g perhaps? It works quite well for me at least. There are some discrepancies between homepage at home pc and phone, but it’s better than nothing or ads. Process was quite simple, download youtube apk, install revanced patcher and apply patch to the app.
Yep, it’s Micro G.
Revanced MicroG to be specific. MicroG is the free reimplementation of some if the Google APIs.
I really like Apple Music. Actually supports lossless, unlike Spotify, and it just feels much more music focused. Spotify has become too bloated, and I view it more as a “sound” app than a music app.
I like both, but Spotify has far more tracks available these days. I’ve found songs on Spotify that just aren’t on iTunes at all.
I pay for family spotify - we all use it a lot and the Daily Mixes, Release Radar, Discover Weekly playlists are unbeatble. I’ve used Tidal, Deezer, Youtube music before but their playlist creation is nowwhere near as good.
However I do download from Deemix as a backup . For me 128kbp is totally fine for what I need - yes its not the highest quality, but through bluetooth speakers in the car or bluetooth headphones it sounds absolutely fine for me. It might not be CD quality, but its better than broadcast radio, which is perfectly good enough for me.
You must love AM radio
128 is perfectly fine / it’s What you are getting most movies you download and way better than FM and most DAB.
People have different tolerancies for these sorts of things. I bet @plexnose is quite happy with the relatively lackluster bitrate of their audio, however others may whince at the quality and declare it unlistenable (is that a word?)
Like, I have a few years old 55" 4K HDR TV, its not OLED, but it was good at the time. However a lot of my archived content is 720p, and I really don’t mind. In fact I don’t hardly notice. Sure if I switch to a 4K Bluray, its better, but I enjoyed the 720p show just as much and it wasn’t like jarring or anything.
I personally download YouTube videos, convert them to MP3 and then add metadata to them.
not really a good solution, cuz it’s not gonna be a nice quality audio, but just acceptable, nothing more…
You can pay for any streaming service that serves FLAC and rip that. Very easy to do for Tidal and Deezer for example.
And you don’t need to pay. Just google Deezer premuim ARLs and plug that into Deemix and profit. Full FLAC quality
I don’t like using other people’s hacked account. Keeping music data after my licensed agreement (which is still going, actually) seems like a crime no one actually loses from. Using someone else’s hacked account seems highly, highly unethical to me.
It’s usually not a hacked account. Most of them are free trials from binned credit cards. There are groups out there that will share bins that work for certain services like Tidal/Deezer/Qobuz. Once you get the free trial, you use it for a month and then you start the next one
I’ve paid monthly for Deezer HiFi in the past like 3 years, I don’t consider it unethical to store the FLACs on my PC so I can use my own local music player to listen to them as long as I keep paying for the service.
I do consider it unethical to scam Deezer into giving me new trials every month. I’m not one to tell you what to do or not do, but I don’t personally want to do that.
Fair enough, but you are also commenting this on a community for piracy so…
Yeah but there’s piracy that creates “lost opportunity cost” (which is just companies complaining) and piracy that actually uses servers/services without paying for them.
You can have your opinion and I can have mine. It just baffles me that you’re talking about lost opportunity costs and “hurting corporations” on a community dedicated to Piracy