Most of the discussion and sources of content talk about movies and series.
I’ve been recently looking for psy and techno music, finding FLAC or WAV with active seeders feels like striking gold. It’s definitely been a while since I’ve looked for active torrent sites and it feels more barren than ever.
Edit: Thank you all for all that valuable information. The reddit group really wasn’t this helpful and valued making fun over adding real use able knowledge.
I’ll just be over here listening to IDLES, Yves Tumor, Mau p, Chris Lake, ARTBAT, Jon Bohmer, Flume, Jpegmafia, etc. etc. Lots of great music guys, and it ain’t even hard to find.
I wasn’t adressing that point specifically, I just meant to show that there is a lot of good music still, and not only some obscure shit no one really listens to.
I will do some more reading on this subject and edit with my thoughts on that.
Though my initial thought is there is an inherent bias here, and that is time.
Eh, this kind of fearmongering has been in the music industry forever now. If no one is releasing new music, or there is a ridiculously high barrier to entry, there will simply be another indie music boom.
And I also think this is something where the data should be niche specific. Like how would this affect me as a tech house producer, for example? There is currently a tech house boom, with labels like Repopulate Mars, Toolroom, dirty bird. etc. These labels will continue to put out good and new music because that is their prerogative. Even labels such as Ajundeep are still publishing unknowns.
“top 40” music has always, by and large, sucked. Only the good stuff in that popular batch stays around until today; the Beatles, for example, stayed around in the popular consciousness because they were both incredibly successful and trailblazing artists (in some sense or another). Most of what else was popular when they were rising to fame has been lost to time, because they were passing fads, just like how most of today’s music will end up. It’s survivorship bias to assume that the best music from the 60’s all the way to the 90’s and 00’s (if you like) is all that released, and all that was popular.
Take some time to look, and I promise you there’s tons of material coming out everyday that you can find in every single genre, some of which is bound to strike a positive nerve. Bandcamp indie artist or smash hit on spotify, it doesn’t matter.
I promise you there’s tons of material coming out everyday that you can find in every single genre
You’re arguing against a point I never made. Obviously it’s hyperbolic to say “nobody” likes new music because 30 percent of revenue is going to new music. But obviously there is a major problem and the fact that there is still some good new music coming out does not address that major problem.
Well yea, that part was me trying to say there’s music as good as old stuff being made today; my first paragraph is about the fact that obviously old stuff will persist if it struck gold and became legend. Who cares? Why is that a problem? Just because a lot of money is still being made on the back of old music doesn’t mean that there’s some huge problem with new music or the way it’s made.
If anything, it’s another way to point at digital music distribution and the way it’s destroyed the perceived value of music. Old music didn’t have that problem from the start.
Spotify is very affordable and provides pretty much all music on earth. I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to download songs if I can just conveniently stream them all from one legit service.
The state of video streaming is hardly Netflix’s fault. When every channel starts a subscription service and pulls it’s content from the others everyone loses.
Music streaming on the other hand is a complete experience on every service. It’s kind of a miracle tbh.
Bandcamp is great. Fuck corporate labels who prevent artists from releasing their music privately on the platform. It’s an abhorrent business practice.
I didn’t know about bandcamp. I’m gonna buy some albums there. The music is drm-free? I think that what bandcamp and itch.io are doing should be the future of the industry.
Yes, the music there is drm free. Keep in mind it’s not ALL music. It’s mostly music from independent artists.
But they are the ones that need the most support. So go all in!
I bought music from several artists on Bandcamp and could not download some of it 12 months later. Artist unresponsive, Bandcamp support unwilling to help. And now Tencent has it’s tendrils in the company so expect it to get worse.
Locating, storing, labelling, and potentially hosting pirated music is just not something people wanna do. Plus music streaming isn’t a fragmented mess like video streaming is atm. I never stopped pirating tv and movies except for a brief window of time when Netflix was king, but music so easy and complete on every platform it isn’t worth it.
I don’t like using other people’s hacked account. Keeping music data after my licensed agreement (which is still going, actually) seems like a crime no one actually loses from. Using someone else’s hacked account seems highly, highly unethical to me.
It’s usually not a hacked account. Most of them are free trials from binned credit cards. There are groups out there that will share bins that work for certain services like Tidal/Deezer/Qobuz. Once you get the free trial, you use it for a month and then you start the next one
I’ve paid monthly for Deezer HiFi in the past like 3 years, I don’t consider it unethical to store the FLACs on my PC so I can use my own local music player to listen to them as long as I keep paying for the service.
I do consider it unethical to scam Deezer into giving me new trials every month. I’m not one to tell you what to do or not do, but I don’t personally want to do that.
Yeah but there’s piracy that creates “lost opportunity cost” (which is just companies complaining) and piracy that actually uses servers/services without paying for them.
You can have your opinion and I can have mine. It just baffles me that you’re talking about lost opportunity costs and “hurting corporations” on a community dedicated to Piracy
Youtube scrapers like Newpipe and alternative frontend makes listening easy if you aren’t quality obsessed. This has been adequate for my levels of listening.
Some private trackers have massive music collection dumps.
However, I’d say directly supporting artists through storefronts like bandcamp is the best way to go, where it’s available. No DRM, no bullshit, the artist benefits. This, to me, is the best alternative to piracy.
Napster, Deezer, Tidal aren’t terrible offerings either FWIW.
Telegram is a shitty messenger apart from having a big file upload limit, which makes it good for piracy. Anyway, those bots just scrape song titles, go to youtube and download songs from there, no magic involved
The audio quality pales in comparison. I have no idea if Dezer scrapping is still working but you can get flac from scrapping it. YouTube music is junk
I mean vanced. I was too lazy to set up revanced and instead tried out NewPipe. I hate how I don’t have my really optimized suggested page on NewPipe but I get around that by using vanced to browse and then opening the video in NewPipe via the share button. A nice plus of NewPipe however is how my subscriptions now really are just the channels I really care about and not the 1000 random ones I’ve subbed to over the last few years.
Try revanced and that additional package recommended by them that allows it to use google account - I forgot the name - micro g perhaps? It works quite well for me at least. There are some discrepancies between homepage at home pc and phone, but it’s better than nothing or ads. Process was quite simple, download youtube apk, install revanced patcher and apply patch to the app.
I actually built a stereo system that can play CDs recently and have stared buying used CDs to play on it.
I don’t really mind paying the equivalent of a drink or two from a vending machine for an album from a band that I like. And I get a neat physical thing that I can look at.
Yeah, I’m old enough to have grown up buying vinyl records. I want to buy a physical copy of the music I like.
The idea of depending on a streaming service to keep something available has always mades me uncomfortable, and given the recent removal of content from some of the studios’ services, it looks like my gut feeling was correct.
Spotify has basically nothing I’ve ever tried to actively listen to. It’s also missing tracks of larger artists. It’s also still subject to licensing which means what you have saved isn’t guaranteed to be there forever (unless you’re using a spotify downloader, I guess. I don’t know why you would if you feel comfortable enough paying for it but not enough that you won’t still download them?). Personally, to me it seems crazy to pay $10 a month for music I’m probably going to listen to for each month for the rest of my life? People always say it’s great for discovery but I don’t see how it’s any better than any other avenue of finding new artists and releases. The convenience of an online app isn’t very convenient for me, it being streamed is something that affects me on road trips and I’d need to have the foresight to download something, vs permanently having the songs on my phone (or a step further, microSD cards filled with music.) Like it was before? Just like Google Photos, if I can host my own photo backup on my computer why am I paying someone else an exorbitant fee? I can take this even further, I have Plex setup (and other music servers) and use Plexamp which is essentially my curated Spotify. Bonus: I have my core music on my phone, I have extra music streaming to me.
It also doesn’t seem to be sustainable, each yeah Spotify operates at a loss while artists get very little payout from it. More than if you pirated from them, sure, but much less than if you just buy the album directly from their options be it physical or digital, or buy just one concert ticket and one merch item.
All this said, as with most things these are subjective case by case freedoms. Many get what they need from it and that’s good enough and they’re happy. Others just like to rip it all themselves and setup bubbleuPnP servers, and some probably are still just only playing CD’s through their car that doesn’t have AUX or bluetooth. If your decision to listen to an artist with the intent to give them your money, you probably should buy things from them instead of listening to them exclusively on Spotify you pay for. If your decision to listen to music is to just hear stuff, discovery, and it has even just 60% of a catalog of songs you’d listen to, the convenience is probably worth paying for. Especially given that technically the alternatives I’ve mentioned have an upfront cost of a computer and hard drives - for what it’s worth only the cost of 2 years of Spotify and ~2 to 4 hours of setup time, but still a larger cost nonetheless.
That’s worth it for some, they just prefer having it all physical/digitally stored and accessible for sampling and playback, the discovery and library probably aren’t as deep as what they’re looking for.
I personally like being able to use Spotify as my front-end, but it doesn’t support flac. So I personally pay for Deezer’s Flac option, I use xManager for listening to music on Spotify, and I have a script setup to automatically download all my liked Spotify songs from Deezer in lossless flac. It’s not free by any means, but is the best/easiest way to download music I’ve found.
No, I just pay for Deezer Flac. xManager lets you use Spotify ad-free so the listening experience there is still 320 Kbps but I like the recommendation system better. it’s basically free Spotify premium. If I like any song a Spotify, spotify_sync will automatically grab it and download the flac file to my server. If I want to listen to lossless music, I just listen to my stored music using my Jellyfin server as a front-end. I never actually touch Deezer’s front-end at all.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
⚓ A community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.
Today’s music doesn’t worthy to be pirated.
Made an account just so I can call you an uncultured rube. Git gud
skill issue, there’s lots of good music out there
Year after year, new releases lose ground to the back catalog. Nobody likes new [top40] music, because it’s cynical manufactured crap.
I’ll just be over here listening to IDLES, Yves Tumor, Mau p, Chris Lake, ARTBAT, Jon Bohmer, Flume, Jpegmafia, etc. etc. Lots of great music guys, and it ain’t even hard to find.
Doesn’t really address my point, does it?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ – Old songs now represent 70 percent of the U.S. music market. Even worse: The new-music market is actually shrinking.
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/music-catalogs-value-keeps-rising-could-it-change-the-face-of-the-entire-industry-1056229/
https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/its-official-new-music-is-shrinking-in-popularity-in-the-united-states/
https://www.billboard.com/pro/catalog-boom-analysis-for-the-record/
I wasn’t adressing that point specifically, I just meant to show that there is a lot of good music still, and not only some obscure shit no one really listens to.
I will do some more reading on this subject and edit with my thoughts on that.
Though my initial thought is there is an inherent bias here, and that is time.
Eh, this kind of fearmongering has been in the music industry forever now. If no one is releasing new music, or there is a ridiculously high barrier to entry, there will simply be another indie music boom.
And I also think this is something where the data should be niche specific. Like how would this affect me as a tech house producer, for example? There is currently a tech house boom, with labels like Repopulate Mars, Toolroom, dirty bird. etc. These labels will continue to put out good and new music because that is their prerogative. Even labels such as Ajundeep are still publishing unknowns.
“top 40” music has always, by and large, sucked. Only the good stuff in that popular batch stays around until today; the Beatles, for example, stayed around in the popular consciousness because they were both incredibly successful and trailblazing artists (in some sense or another). Most of what else was popular when they were rising to fame has been lost to time, because they were passing fads, just like how most of today’s music will end up. It’s survivorship bias to assume that the best music from the 60’s all the way to the 90’s and 00’s (if you like) is all that released, and all that was popular.
Take some time to look, and I promise you there’s tons of material coming out everyday that you can find in every single genre, some of which is bound to strike a positive nerve. Bandcamp indie artist or smash hit on spotify, it doesn’t matter.
You’re arguing against a point I never made. Obviously it’s hyperbolic to say “nobody” likes new music because 30 percent of revenue is going to new music. But obviously there is a major problem and the fact that there is still some good new music coming out does not address that major problem.
Well yea, that part was me trying to say there’s music as good as old stuff being made today; my first paragraph is about the fact that obviously old stuff will persist if it struck gold and became legend. Who cares? Why is that a problem? Just because a lot of money is still being made on the back of old music doesn’t mean that there’s some huge problem with new music or the way it’s made.
If anything, it’s another way to point at digital music distribution and the way it’s destroyed the perceived value of music. Old music didn’t have that problem from the start.
why listen to top40 when you can build a music taste of your own? the world isn’t gonna die if ppl stop caring about pop music
Spotify is very affordable and provides pretty much all music on earth. I’m not interested in jumping through hoops to download songs if I can just conveniently stream them all from one legit service.
Still no word on the hifi tier though
Yep its basically like Netflix before it shit the bed.
The state of video streaming is hardly Netflix’s fault. When every channel starts a subscription service and pulls it’s content from the others everyone loses.
Music streaming on the other hand is a complete experience on every service. It’s kind of a miracle tbh.
I just find the music theme that I desire to have on Spotify or YT, and then I ripoff from there. Pretty easy.
I buy on Bandcamp and pirate through Soulseek (specifically Nicotine+).
I also buy Vinyls.
Torrenting music has been pretty trash for me so I haven’t bothered in ages.
Bandcamp is great. Fuck corporate labels who prevent artists from releasing their music privately on the platform. It’s an abhorrent business practice.
I didn’t know about bandcamp. I’m gonna buy some albums there. The music is drm-free? I think that what bandcamp and itch.io are doing should be the future of the industry.
Yes, the music there is drm free. Keep in mind it’s not ALL music. It’s mostly music from independent artists. But they are the ones that need the most support. So go all in!
I bought music from several artists on Bandcamp and could not download some of it 12 months later. Artist unresponsive, Bandcamp support unwilling to help. And now Tencent has it’s tendrils in the company so expect it to get worse.
Soulseek has most of what you need. 3ost has pretty rare stuff and rutracker as well
Finally someone else that uses Soulseek. It’s been around for years and is the best place to download whole albums or discographies in high quality.
Locating, storing, labelling, and potentially hosting pirated music is just not something people wanna do. Plus music streaming isn’t a fragmented mess like video streaming is atm. I never stopped pirating tv and movies except for a brief window of time when Netflix was king, but music so easy and complete on every platform it isn’t worth it.
You can pay for any streaming service that serves FLAC and rip that. Very easy to do for Tidal and Deezer for example.
And you don’t need to pay. Just google Deezer premuim ARLs and plug that into Deemix and profit. Full FLAC quality
I don’t like using other people’s hacked account. Keeping music data after my licensed agreement (which is still going, actually) seems like a crime no one actually loses from. Using someone else’s hacked account seems highly, highly unethical to me.
It’s usually not a hacked account. Most of them are free trials from binned credit cards. There are groups out there that will share bins that work for certain services like Tidal/Deezer/Qobuz. Once you get the free trial, you use it for a month and then you start the next one
I’ve paid monthly for Deezer HiFi in the past like 3 years, I don’t consider it unethical to store the FLACs on my PC so I can use my own local music player to listen to them as long as I keep paying for the service.
I do consider it unethical to scam Deezer into giving me new trials every month. I’m not one to tell you what to do or not do, but I don’t personally want to do that.
Fair enough, but you are also commenting this on a community for piracy so…
Yeah but there’s piracy that creates “lost opportunity cost” (which is just companies complaining) and piracy that actually uses servers/services without paying for them.
You can have your opinion and I can have mine. It just baffles me that you’re talking about lost opportunity costs and “hurting corporations” on a community dedicated to Piracy
why pirate when bandcamp has everything I want on FLAC for pennies and I get to send lewd messages to my favourite artists when I buy stuff
why pay pennies when you can pay 0
Because I actually, you know, like the artists I like.
so you support them by giving them $0.000000000000001
Most of the proceeds from sales goes directly to the band for bandcamp sales. Roughly 82% apparently: https://bandcamp.com/about
The album prices are pretty high sometimes and many artists are not on bandcamp
Yeah but fuck those guys.
Soulseek is the goto piracy thing for music.
Streaming service ripping is alive and well.
Youtube scrapers like Newpipe and alternative frontend makes listening easy if you aren’t quality obsessed. This has been adequate for my levels of listening.
Some private trackers have massive music collection dumps.
However, I’d say directly supporting artists through storefronts like bandcamp is the best way to go, where it’s available. No DRM, no bullshit, the artist benefits. This, to me, is the best alternative to piracy.
Napster, Deezer, Tidal aren’t terrible offerings either FWIW.
Sorry to ask a dumb question but how do I rip from streaming services? It’s worth buying a subscription for this ability
I don’t want to link to anything directly, but it’s possible to use ReVanced to get YouTube Music for free.
Would you be able to DM me?
god, there’s lot of telegram bots which can download music from services like deezer/spotify/soundcloud/etc
from my perspective, music piracy is not dying anytime soon
God, I need to start using Telegram.
Telegram is a shitty messenger apart from having a big file upload limit, which makes it good for piracy. Anyway, those bots just scrape song titles, go to youtube and download songs from there, no magic involved
The audio quality pales in comparison. I have no idea if Dezer scrapping is still working but you can get flac from scrapping it. YouTube music is junk
While youtube vanced is falling apart, vanced music is still running just fine for me :D
You mean vanced or revanced? For me latest revanced version works fine? What are the issues?
I mean vanced. I was too lazy to set up revanced and instead tried out NewPipe. I hate how I don’t have my really optimized suggested page on NewPipe but I get around that by using vanced to browse and then opening the video in NewPipe via the share button. A nice plus of NewPipe however is how my subscriptions now really are just the channels I really care about and not the 1000 random ones I’ve subbed to over the last few years.
Try revanced and that additional package recommended by them that allows it to use google account - I forgot the name - micro g perhaps? It works quite well for me at least. There are some discrepancies between homepage at home pc and phone, but it’s better than nothing or ads. Process was quite simple, download youtube apk, install revanced patcher and apply patch to the app.
Yep, it’s Micro G.
Revanced MicroG to be specific. MicroG is the free reimplementation of some if the Google APIs.
RIP what.cd
I actually built a stereo system that can play CDs recently and have stared buying used CDs to play on it.
I don’t really mind paying the equivalent of a drink or two from a vending machine for an album from a band that I like. And I get a neat physical thing that I can look at.
Yeah, I’m old enough to have grown up buying vinyl records. I want to buy a physical copy of the music I like.
The idea of depending on a streaming service to keep something available has always mades me uncomfortable, and given the recent removal of content from some of the studios’ services, it looks like my gut feeling was correct.
The thing about it is that Spotify premium to me isn’t that expensive and has everything I need
Spotify has basically nothing I’ve ever tried to actively listen to. It’s also missing tracks of larger artists. It’s also still subject to licensing which means what you have saved isn’t guaranteed to be there forever (unless you’re using a spotify downloader, I guess. I don’t know why you would if you feel comfortable enough paying for it but not enough that you won’t still download them?). Personally, to me it seems crazy to pay $10 a month for music I’m probably going to listen to for each month for the rest of my life? People always say it’s great for discovery but I don’t see how it’s any better than any other avenue of finding new artists and releases. The convenience of an online app isn’t very convenient for me, it being streamed is something that affects me on road trips and I’d need to have the foresight to download something, vs permanently having the songs on my phone (or a step further, microSD cards filled with music.) Like it was before? Just like Google Photos, if I can host my own photo backup on my computer why am I paying someone else an exorbitant fee? I can take this even further, I have Plex setup (and other music servers) and use Plexamp which is essentially my curated Spotify. Bonus: I have my core music on my phone, I have extra music streaming to me.
It also doesn’t seem to be sustainable, each yeah Spotify operates at a loss while artists get very little payout from it. More than if you pirated from them, sure, but much less than if you just buy the album directly from their options be it physical or digital, or buy just one concert ticket and one merch item.
All this said, as with most things these are subjective case by case freedoms. Many get what they need from it and that’s good enough and they’re happy. Others just like to rip it all themselves and setup bubbleuPnP servers, and some probably are still just only playing CD’s through their car that doesn’t have AUX or bluetooth. If your decision to listen to an artist with the intent to give them your money, you probably should buy things from them instead of listening to them exclusively on Spotify you pay for. If your decision to listen to music is to just hear stuff, discovery, and it has even just 60% of a catalog of songs you’d listen to, the convenience is probably worth paying for. Especially given that technically the alternatives I’ve mentioned have an upfront cost of a computer and hard drives - for what it’s worth only the cost of 2 years of Spotify and ~2 to 4 hours of setup time, but still a larger cost nonetheless.
That’s worth it for some, they just prefer having it all physical/digitally stored and accessible for sampling and playback, the discovery and library probably aren’t as deep as what they’re looking for.
I personally like being able to use Spotify as my front-end, but it doesn’t support flac. So I personally pay for Deezer’s Flac option, I use xManager for listening to music on Spotify, and I have a script setup to automatically download all my liked Spotify songs from Deezer in lossless flac. It’s not free by any means, but is the best/easiest way to download music I’ve found.
https://github.com/jbh-cloud/spotify_sync
So you pay for Spotify and deezr? I also want a flac Frontend…
No, I just pay for Deezer Flac. xManager lets you use Spotify ad-free so the listening experience there is still 320 Kbps but I like the recommendation system better. it’s basically free Spotify premium. If I like any song a Spotify, spotify_sync will automatically grab it and download the flac file to my server. If I want to listen to lossless music, I just listen to my stored music using my Jellyfin server as a front-end. I never actually touch Deezer’s front-end at all.
Interesting, thanks! I’ll have to take a look