The good thing about Free Software is you are never at the mercy of a single provider. If you and your friends like Lemmy, you can always use lemmy. The amount of content might not be what it once was, but you are welcome to use and change, or pay someone else to let you use/change, the service forever. (Like pump.io used to be the whole #Fediverse and now identi.ca is little more than a internet graveyard save me 4 bots, and six people that cross post to Mastodon, but even it may come back now that /u/@evan indicated he’s adding ActivityPub to it now that its all the rage.
It is straightforward to run an isolated network with TCP/IP, DNS, and web servers. The hard part would be dealing with software that complains/fails if you’re not using HTTPS.
In general, you would want an offline copy of the entire software stack (e.g. a Gentoo Linux mirror) so you can patch whatever problems you encounter.
You would have to run your own CA and get everyone to install your root cert on their devices. That what happens already with tech like smart cards and SSL inspection firewalls.
It’s all about trusting the connection implicitly.
Depends on how dense or spread out it is.
If it’s dense and everything is in one place you might not need anything more than just going outside.
If it is spread out though you may want communication methods other than mail and if people already have the computers and existing infrastructure (many places have cables for network and phone lines) to set up a local network then that might be the best option.
It would mpst likely come down to infrastructure maintenance capacity, so if we’re tallking regional or sub-regional maybe. For example southern california probably has enough industrial capacity that so long as raw materials can be acquired maintence would be relatively simple. But if we’re talking scattered individual townships without much intertown services then a BBS would probably be easier and more practical to maintain.
I also liked YouTube chat. I had Messenger at the time, but I could contact my family on YouTube chat too. So I deleted my Facebook account and switched to chatting over YouTube. Then they shut it down, so I just let it be and stopped talking with my family.
I liked the idea of circles. I’m part of multiple social circles and what might be interesting for one could very well be meaningless for another circle.
The “circles” were awesome. It was a breeze to tweak your feed based on which circle you put someone in. Rather than get all the posts from a very hit or miss account I could pretty much say “only the top posts”.
I remember getting a few of my friends to try G+ with me, then getting in and realizing we were the only ones there. Feels like Lemmy already has more people than that ghost town ever did.
Facebook and Google was always about friends family and local before any random and stranger interaction becomes relevant.
Reddit and Lemmy is all about strangers. Oftentimes you dont even want people to know you or care about that. So userbase is way easier to create without feeling as if it was too small.
Facebook started locally and slowly created circles until the entire world found their friends and families and joined themselves
I honestly hope lemmy will not die. It will have to become simpler though. For many people, it will be simply way too complicated to wrap their head around the fact of many instances and most of them will worry about not being able to interact with people from other instances.
Also, the main lemmy web app is not necessarily good and alternatives such as wefwef are far easier to use.
We just need to be better about simplifying the explanation. Don’t tell people “it’s a federated website using an activitypub backend to communicate like mastodon, but only links to federated lemmys not including mastodon instances…” Tell them “it’s a fourm that shares posts and comments with other fourms that agree to work together”. If they want more detail they can easily find it themselves.
I feel like the explanation using email as an example works pretty well. Most people understand how different emails from different providers can communicate, but their account is hosted on one platform.
Even better is to talk about phone carriers, because people seem to know those better than emails these days.
“Just because your phone is using Carrier A doesn’t mean you can’t call your friends on Carriers B and C”
Federation is the invisible glue that makes it all work… I have my own server but i can talk to you on lemmy.world without having to think about it or do anything special. Most people joining in the future won’t need to care federation even exists, just like they don’t care SMTP exists.
That said I suspect there will be a few mega servers anyway… just like gmail… people seem to like being where everyone else is.
Google killed the only thing about Google that I had any sort of true feelings for. It was exactly what I wanted in a feed reader. It almost killed my affinity to read the news during my commutes.
It was the same year that The Onion stopped printing paper copies, too.
It was also the year The Hangover 3 was released at the request of nobody, but I digress.
I may have a user bias, but I think KBin is already started down that path, of actually making a usuable platform for both communities and users. Unlike say Lemmy that doesn’t even really let you follow individual users, and Mastodon, which lets you follow Lemmy Communities, but its hard to follow threads because every post just looks like a Re-Toot by the community “user”
Then again Friendica is pretty nice too, it treats Lemmy communities just as if they are Friendica Forums, and it supports other platforms in addition to ActivityPub, including Diaspora*, and allows for integration with Email, Calendar, etc. with several very different “themes” to choose from, with the default, Firo(?), being a UI ver similar to the world’s most popular social media platform, Facebook.
Lemmy really needs to add the ability to interact with the rest of the fediverse like mastodon. That’s like…supposed to be the whole point of being part of the fediverse.
I tried using Friendica as my main Fediverse hub. Unfortunately it still has big issues regarding the handling of large lists of users (I, for one, follow around 1000 Mastodon users plus about 300 Lemmy/Kbin communities), so with much pain in my heart I had to return to dual-wielding Akkoma + Lemmy.
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better than google +
I’m not sure, but i’m keen to find out!
Lets see what it will be!
All good things die eventually… Sad story bro
The good thing about Free Software is you are never at the mercy of a single provider. If you and your friends like Lemmy, you can always use lemmy. The amount of content might not be what it once was, but you are welcome to use and change, or pay someone else to let you use/change, the service forever. (Like pump.io used to be the whole #Fediverse and now identi.ca is little more than a internet graveyard save me 4 bots, and six people that cross post to Mastodon, but even it may come back now that /u/@evan indicated he’s adding ActivityPub to it now that its all the rage.
I wonder if civilization will last 12 years
I’m waiting for it to start
just one more turn…
It made me think: can a Lemmy instance be hosted on a local network.
Like if the global internet is down but we maintained a local network in the village. Can we use Lemmy or mastodon?
Maybe when we have a good weather we manage to connect to the next village, so can we connect to their instance at this moment ?
It is straightforward to run an isolated network with TCP/IP, DNS, and web servers. The hard part would be dealing with software that complains/fails if you’re not using HTTPS.
In general, you would want an offline copy of the entire software stack (e.g. a Gentoo Linux mirror) so you can patch whatever problems you encounter.
You would have to run your own CA and get everyone to install your root cert on their devices. That what happens already with tech like smart cards and SSL inspection firewalls. It’s all about trusting the connection implicitly.
“Mate I dont trust you”
“Its okay, I have a certificate”
“This just says ‘Trust me bro’ and has your name at the bottom.”
“If you still dont trust me, just call this guy, he will vouch for me!”
“This is your own phone number.”
Yup! 😂
I don’t need a social network in a village, I’ll just step out of my house and yell.
Depends on how dense or spread out it is. If it’s dense and everything is in one place you might not need anything more than just going outside.
If it is spread out though you may want communication methods other than mail and if people already have the computers and existing infrastructure (many places have cables for network and phone lines) to set up a local network then that might be the best option.
It would mpst likely come down to infrastructure maintenance capacity, so if we’re tallking regional or sub-regional maybe. For example southern california probably has enough industrial capacity that so long as raw materials can be acquired maintence would be relatively simple. But if we’re talking scattered individual townships without much intertown services then a BBS would probably be easier and more practical to maintain.
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Wait… this was referenced in a futurama’s episode? That show is pure gold
I actually liked Google plus… but like everything Google create, they killed it.
I can’t remember much of it. But I was using it everyday.
/u/[email protected] Are you on Diaspora? I heard that’s where most of the Google+ refugees ended up.
I also liked YouTube chat. I had Messenger at the time, but I could contact my family on YouTube chat too. So I deleted my Facebook account and switched to chatting over YouTube. Then they shut it down, so I just let it be and stopped talking with my family.
I liked the idea of circles. I’m part of multiple social circles and what might be interesting for one could very well be meaningless for another circle.
I never used Google Plus, what did you like about it?
per post scoping was nice.
I didn’t have to manually tag each account, just select the circle and publish.
The “circles” were awesome. It was a breeze to tweak your feed based on which circle you put someone in. Rather than get all the posts from a very hit or miss account I could pretty much say “only the top posts”.
Eventually, Facebook and Twitter copied the feature, so Google+ lost its advantage.
I remember getting a few of my friends to try G+ with me, then getting in and realizing we were the only ones there. Feels like Lemmy already has more people than that ghost town ever did.
You were expecting Facebook, but google plus was always a creature more resembling Reddit and Lemmy. It was an aggregator, and source of discussion.
Facebook and Google was always about friends family and local before any random and stranger interaction becomes relevant.
Reddit and Lemmy is all about strangers. Oftentimes you dont even want people to know you or care about that. So userbase is way easier to create without feeling as if it was too small.
Facebook started locally and slowly created circles until the entire world found their friends and families and joined themselves
Lemmy will be a dinosaur like hacker news and we’ll all use a bunch of different softwares to connect to the fediverse
has it already been 12 years?!
The difference is that Google+ tried to be Facebook. And Lemmy is just Lemmy.
Yeah. If you ever have the choice to try to be Facebook… don’t.
Lemmy is Reddit in case you didn’t notice
God please no. Let Lemmy not be Reddit.
I honestly hope lemmy will not die. It will have to become simpler though. For many people, it will be simply way too complicated to wrap their head around the fact of many instances and most of them will worry about not being able to interact with people from other instances.
Also, the main lemmy web app is not necessarily good and alternatives such as wefwef are far easier to use.
We just need to be better about simplifying the explanation. Don’t tell people “it’s a federated website using an activitypub backend to communicate like mastodon, but only links to federated lemmys not including mastodon instances…” Tell them “it’s a fourm that shares posts and comments with other fourms that agree to work together”. If they want more detail they can easily find it themselves.
I feel like the explanation using email as an example works pretty well. Most people understand how different emails from different providers can communicate, but their account is hosted on one platform.
Even better is to talk about phone carriers, because people seem to know those better than emails these days. “Just because your phone is using Carrier A doesn’t mean you can’t call your friends on Carriers B and C”
Federation is the invisible glue that makes it all work… I have my own server but i can talk to you on lemmy.world without having to think about it or do anything special. Most people joining in the future won’t need to care federation even exists, just like they don’t care SMTP exists.
That said I suspect there will be a few mega servers anyway… just like gmail… people seem to like being where everyone else is.
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Just took a quick peak at wefwef.
You consider that easier?
Significantly. If you are used to the UI it is a very fast experience. The learning curve can be a bit sharp unfortunately.
Google+ was too much of a copy of the existing social networks at the time.
I’m still a Google Reader orphan though.
2013 was a terrible year for media consumption.
Google killed the only thing about Google that I had any sort of true feelings for. It was exactly what I wanted in a feed reader. It almost killed my affinity to read the news during my commutes.
It was the same year that The Onion stopped printing paper copies, too.
It was also the year The Hangover 3 was released at the request of nobody, but I digress.
RIP Google Reader.
I’ve seen the Hangover 1 a ton of times. I’ve never seen The Hangover 3.
Only place I’ve ever accidentally uploaded a dick pic and so glad I had like 2 friends on there who never checked lol. It was a fun 2 weeks.
Lol are you sure it was an accident or did it only become an accident when your 2 friends didn’t look 😜
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Risky click of the day
almost watched a tik tok knockoff. that was close.
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This was pretty good lol
12 Years ago… I’ve zero interested in Google+
If Reddit can make it for 12+ years, I’m sure Lemmy can too!
That’s what I’m thinking! As long as we can build our own positive reputation, I’m sure we’ll make it!
Probably merged with all the other ActivityPub frontends into a single, hyper-customizable mega-app.
I may have a user bias, but I think KBin is already started down that path, of actually making a usuable platform for both communities and users. Unlike say Lemmy that doesn’t even really let you follow individual users, and Mastodon, which lets you follow Lemmy Communities, but its hard to follow threads because every post just looks like a Re-Toot by the community “user”
Then again Friendica is pretty nice too, it treats Lemmy communities just as if they are Friendica Forums, and it supports other platforms in addition to ActivityPub, including Diaspora*, and allows for integration with Email, Calendar, etc. with several very different “themes” to choose from, with the default, Firo(?), being a UI ver similar to the world’s most popular social media platform, Facebook.
Lemmy really needs to add the ability to interact with the rest of the fediverse like mastodon. That’s like…supposed to be the whole point of being part of the fediverse.
I tried using Friendica as my main Fediverse hub. Unfortunately it still has big issues regarding the handling of large lists of users (I, for one, follow around 1000 Mastodon users plus about 300 Lemmy/Kbin communities), so with much pain in my heart I had to return to dual-wielding Akkoma + Lemmy.