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I recently received reports of a feddit.uk user espousing transphobia. Specifically, this was a feddit.uk user refusing to use the word cis, repeating the “adult human female” dog whistle, and claiming that trans women are not women. I approached a member of the feddit.uk admin team and raised my concerns and sought clarification of their stance on posts like this, where the transphobia is mostly dogwhistles, and “civil disagreement” on the validity of trans folk.
I was told by the feddit.uk admin that their preferred response is this kind of transphobia is to “sort it out through discussion and voting”. However, the comments in question are currently more upvoted than downvoted, and little “sorting out” has occurred. The posts remain in place.
At this point, the admin stopped responding to my messages despite being active elsewhere on lemmy. When it became clear they were ignoring my messages and had no intention of removing the posts in question, I made the decision to defederate the instance.
I know some folk agree with the feddit.uk admins approach of pushback through discussion and voting, but this instance is not designed to be that kind of space. Blahaj lemmy is meant to be a place where we can avoid the rampant transphobia universally visible on nearly every other social media platform, and where we can exist without needing to debate our right to do so.
Idk just saying that transwomen and cis women are different doesn’t seem transphobic in and of itself, especially since the person seems to be saying that they should have the same rights now
It’s a pretty common dogswhistle. The problem is the literal statement itself, that is not wrong in a vacuum.
The problem is that people who think trans women deserve zero rights keep using phrases like this to justify discrimination and hatred, and to funnel people into a position of hatred.
The words, just as defined in the dictionary, are true. But with all the social cargo they carry, it becomes a very insulting and hateful thing.
And that itself helps the haters, because people like you will say “but… This is true, why are you acting like this?”. The answer is because the other 99% of people who make these claims absolutely deserve such a reaction.
Thank you for the explanation, but by your logic any deviation from unconditional, thoughtless, unquestioning support is a dogwhistling hateful statement?
By reacting like the people in comments did they’re alienating anyone unwilling to follow that group blindly.
Look, I’m queer, from Poland, I marched, donated, volunteered and housed alphabetical people in need, and I can see the societal pendulum swinging back right because people are tired of being pushed down for thinking or downright bullied.
I mean the basic argument, that trans identifying peoples are in their own distinct categories outside of the typical gender binary, actually has some interesting meat to it.
Trans men and women do have different experiences from their cisgender counterparts, different medical needs, different journeys. None of which I am experienced enough in the subject to speak to.
Kinda loses me on their “I don’t use the word cis” part though
Op argument is that they are Real Women and then then Women Who Used To Have Penis, reducing the trans experience and identify to the sex they were born into. The part of not using the word cis is not even the worst, imo, like using the word “thing” to talk about people is pretty disgusting, or comparing “blonde women” with “trans women” like if gender identity was just a superficial aspect of a person instead of the fundamental one it is.
Think of it from a math perspective. The non-transphobic stance would be that woman is the superset which contains subsets of trans, cis, and others. The comment says they’re two separate sets, woman and transwoman. This is why cis doesn’t have to be used, because woman is sufficient to describe the set, because trans women aren’t part of it.
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Just because it’s have a cordial tone, but it’s pretty tranphobic all around the place. Master class on sealioning.
The UK is known for polite transphobia.
Isn’t that pretty much just JK Rowling? Iirc, the govt and BBC are pretty good about it
Considering recent events, I’d disagree with the idea the government is good about it.
Idk just saying that transwomen and cis women are different doesn’t seem transphobic in and of itself, especially since the person seems to be saying that they should have the same rights now
Right, I agree, but that’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying women and transwomen aren’t the same.
As in, a rephrase of “transwomen aren’t women”.
Interesting. Totally not how I understand the text. I read it as, rephrase:
And when I read it like that, you all seem to be overreacting to me.
It’s a pretty common dogswhistle. The problem is the literal statement itself, that is not wrong in a vacuum.
The problem is that people who think trans women deserve zero rights keep using phrases like this to justify discrimination and hatred, and to funnel people into a position of hatred.
The words, just as defined in the dictionary, are true. But with all the social cargo they carry, it becomes a very insulting and hateful thing.
And that itself helps the haters, because people like you will say “but… This is true, why are you acting like this?”. The answer is because the other 99% of people who make these claims absolutely deserve such a reaction.
Thank you for the explanation, but by your logic any deviation from unconditional, thoughtless, unquestioning support is a dogwhistling hateful statement?
By reacting like the people in comments did they’re alienating anyone unwilling to follow that group blindly.
Look, I’m queer, from Poland, I marched, donated, volunteered and housed alphabetical people in need, and I can see the societal pendulum swinging back right because people are tired of being pushed down for thinking or downright bullied.
I mean the basic argument, that trans identifying peoples are in their own distinct categories outside of the typical gender binary, actually has some interesting meat to it.
Trans men and women do have different experiences from their cisgender counterparts, different medical needs, different journeys. None of which I am experienced enough in the subject to speak to.
Kinda loses me on their “I don’t use the word cis” part though
Op argument is that they are Real Women and then then Women Who Used To Have Penis, reducing the trans experience and identify to the sex they were born into. The part of not using the word cis is not even the worst, imo, like using the word “thing” to talk about people is pretty disgusting, or comparing “blonde women” with “trans women” like if gender identity was just a superficial aspect of a person instead of the fundamental one it is.
See, I just don’t think what you’ve deduced the argument to was what was actually said.
Think of it from a math perspective. The non-transphobic stance would be that woman is the superset which contains subsets of trans, cis, and others. The comment says they’re two separate sets, woman and transwoman. This is why cis doesn’t have to be used, because woman is sufficient to describe the set, because trans women aren’t part of it.
This fucking website, “Let me just simplify that to the idea of math supersets for you”…and it works
Relevant
It still doesn’t answer the question of who is allowed to use certain bathrooms.