This godforsaken country is introducing the bill that allows to strip people of birth-given russian citizenship for some things - like desertion and discreditation of army (which happens every time you question war)
So, my question, if someone loses all citizenship, what happens next? Is their life basically over? Is there a way to re-gain citizenship (like, in another country)? Can they be deported?
This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.
It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.
I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies “documentaries” when they’re really “fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events”
You become stateless, and it’s a legal nightmare. Most countries won’t deport you, because they have nowhere to deport you to. But some countries like Australia will detain you until you get citizenship elsewhere. Sort of a catch-22, where you need to apply for citizenship to get out of prison, but can’t because no country wants to grant you citizenship because you’re in prison. The act of being stateless in itself isn’t a crime, but living somewhere without a visa is, and some countries (like Australia) don’t automatically grant visas to stateless people without some other reason like a refugee application.
Prior to the 60’s, it used to be much more common, because most countries use a legal concept called Jus Sanguinis, which basically means that citizenship gets passed from parents to children via birth. America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country. But if the parents aren’t eligible to pass their citizenship on and the country they’re in doesn’t practice Jus Soli, then the child would be stateless. Back in the 60’s, most Jus Sanguinis countries agreed at a convention to provide emergency citizenship to individuals who would otherwise be born stateless.
These days, the largest causes are typically financial/records keeping issues in third world countries, or are due to politics like you’re describing. In the former, imagine a Jus Sanguinis country where you need to prove who your parents are. But they don’t have copies of their birth certificates or your birth certificate, and you don’t have money to get new ones. There’s also an administrative fee when you try to file the paperwork, and you can’t afford it. In the latter, it’s often due to good old fashioned racism. Certain ethnic groups being denied citizenship (like the Uyghur Muslims in China, or the Koreans in Japan following world war 2.) It’s also commonly due to authoritarian governments stripping citizenship for arbitrary reasons like you’ve mentioned. Russia isn’t the first to strip citizenship; It’s also common in parts of the Middle East.
Dude this is sick! I’ve grown up my whole life in the US and never realized how many other countries do this. Wikipedia has an incredible map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
That’s still true for a lot of druze I the Golan heights, and while it doesn’t have a drastic effect on their daily lives, traveling abroad is an absolute nightmare
You’ll want to read up on Shamima Begum. She’s currently stateless right now. Here’s another article from Time if you want more information. Though her case is a bit different since she’s a terrorist
You can get Brazilian citizenship if you are statelessness, here’s an article about it . Iirc, you can do this from anywhere on the world, but doing it from inside brazillian territory would make it easier.
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This country? What exactly is this?
US defaultism is hard in this one.
It’s mentioned further, this country is Russia, and I’m still stuck in here
If your home country revokes your rights as a citizen, I would imagine that it gives you justification to claim refugee status with the UN.
I honestly don’t know, I remember someone got trapped at an airport once because their country stopped existing while they were there
This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.
didn’t some poor cosmonaut get trapped in space because his country stopped existing whilst he was up there?
edit: sergei krikalev
It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.
Tom Hanks made a documentary about it.
Are you talking about The Terminal? Unless he made a second movie about the same guy, the word"documentary" seems like a stretch.
I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies “documentaries” when they’re really “fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events”
See: Idiocracy
Someone recently made me realize that movie is set in a better timeline than ours
See, they have a problem and find the smartest person in the world. Then, even though they think his idea is crazy, they listen to him
That’s also 500 years down the road though, so there’s hope lol
Damnit! They never expected that we would become too stupid to REALIZE THAT WE’RE STUPID!
Woosh
I think they are using the term documentary as a joke.
Why should life be over?
There are just some rights that you don’t have anymore. Some duties, too.
Hmm, I didn’t even consider the taxes part
Uhhh afaik stateless persons generally live in prisons or airports
Only in rogue countries.
Like Australia.
Found this article from a US gov’t site that talks a lot about this, kind of interesting to read.
You become stateless, and it’s a legal nightmare. Most countries won’t deport you, because they have nowhere to deport you to. But some countries like Australia will detain you until you get citizenship elsewhere. Sort of a catch-22, where you need to apply for citizenship to get out of prison, but can’t because no country wants to grant you citizenship because you’re in prison. The act of being stateless in itself isn’t a crime, but living somewhere without a visa is, and some countries (like Australia) don’t automatically grant visas to stateless people without some other reason like a refugee application.
Prior to the 60’s, it used to be much more common, because most countries use a legal concept called Jus Sanguinis, which basically means that citizenship gets passed from parents to children via birth. America, on the other hand, uses something called Jus Soli, which grants citizenship based on you being born in the country. But if the parents aren’t eligible to pass their citizenship on and the country they’re in doesn’t practice Jus Soli, then the child would be stateless. Back in the 60’s, most Jus Sanguinis countries agreed at a convention to provide emergency citizenship to individuals who would otherwise be born stateless.
These days, the largest causes are typically financial/records keeping issues in third world countries, or are due to politics like you’re describing. In the former, imagine a Jus Sanguinis country where you need to prove who your parents are. But they don’t have copies of their birth certificates or your birth certificate, and you don’t have money to get new ones. There’s also an administrative fee when you try to file the paperwork, and you can’t afford it. In the latter, it’s often due to good old fashioned racism. Certain ethnic groups being denied citizenship (like the Uyghur Muslims in China, or the Koreans in Japan following world war 2.) It’s also commonly due to authoritarian governments stripping citizenship for arbitrary reasons like you’ve mentioned. Russia isn’t the first to strip citizenship; It’s also common in parts of the Middle East.
I would clarify this from “America” to “most of the New World”.
Dude this is sick! I’ve grown up my whole life in the US and never realized how many other countries do this. Wikipedia has an incredible map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
What happens is that you become a stateless person, just like the Palestinians once where. I can’t speak for Russian law.
Many palestinians are still stateless world wide around 5 million persons.
That’s still true for a lot of druze I the Golan heights, and while it doesn’t have a drastic effect on their daily lives, traveling abroad is an absolute nightmare
This is a webpage from a guy who voluntarily because stateless. https://identityunknown.org/3e7/Introduction_A_series_of_life_experiences_by_Glen_Lee_Roberts_before_and_after_he_became_Voluntarily_Stateless
You’ll want to read up on Shamima Begum. She’s currently stateless right now. Here’s another article from Time if you want more information. Though her case is a bit different since she’s a terrorist
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What happens is The Terminal, staring Tom Hanks :P
They did not want to think it through for they didn’t care.
You can get Brazilian citizenship if you are statelessness, here’s an article about it . Iirc, you can do this from anywhere on the world, but doing it from inside brazillian territory would make it easier.
I mean, in Russia, anything is possible, but in any country that respects the rule of law, you’re a citizen if you pay taxes.
There are tons of people (legally) working and paying taxes in the US and aren’t citizens. I get what you mean, but…
Not a citizen but a resident.
I don’t know if that’s true anywhere, but it’s not true in either of the countries I’ve lived in.
International human rights organizations
Maybe be comw a fugitive and leave