This godforsaken country is introducing the bill that allows to strip people of birth-given russian citizenship for some things - like desertion and discreditation of army (which happens every time you question war)
So, my question, if someone loses all citizenship, what happens next? Is their life basically over? Is there a way to re-gain citizenship (like, in another country)? Can they be deported?
I’d advise against it if purely for ease of life in your new home country. Some, like UK require you to still have dealings with your previous country.
For example if i want to change my surname to my wifes name, home office demanded that i change the surname in my original passport first. They even say that if you need to physically go to your country of origin to do so, you have to unless they will kill you (for example persecution of LGBT). But i donno what kind of proof they would need to support this claim.
I have a strong suspicion that “burned my passport as a statement” would not qualify, even if it means supporting a terrorist state with cash (because consular services are paid by cash in 3rd world countries.)
this depends on your situation. If you did seek asylum from russia, you won’t be asked to “have dealings with your previous country”. You will even be asked not to have any.
They provided me with a list of exceptions but these were all relatively vague and could be interpreted in many ways. For example “wanting not to support a terrorist state financially” was not on the list. Just saying that there may be a benefit to keep at least the expired passport. Maybe in which ever country op goes to, they might have more sensible rules than here.
You can get Brazilian citizenship if you are statelessness, here’s an article about it . Iirc, you can do this from anywhere on the world, but doing it from inside brazillian territory would make it easier.
This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.
I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies “documentaries” when they’re really “fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events”
It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.
You should still be able to apply for refugee, asylum, permanent residency, or citizenship in other places. Whether or not that’s realustica and feasible is another issue, but legally, you’re fine: Your citizenship status at home won’t affect your ability to seek a new home.
I suspect the best bet at the moment would be trying to ask Finland for asylum, since they’re not allied with Russia. Getting within their territory might be challenging, though, as I suspect they’ll require identification and/or outright block Russians from entering. Also, I have no idea how to proceed once within a different country. Maybe one of the baltic states might also work?
If you’ve been stripped of citizenship for opposing the war, are you still Russian?
Obviously that’s semantics, and what matters will be whether Finland still considers you Russian, but I think it would be in their benefit to allow entry to former Russians who are explicitly opposed to Russia’s bullshit
That’s still true for a lot of druze I the Golan heights, and while it doesn’t have a drastic effect on their daily lives, traveling abroad is an absolute nightmare
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I mean, in Russia, anything is possible, but in any country that respects the rule of law, you’re a citizen if you pay taxes.
There are tons of people (legally) working and paying taxes in the US and aren’t citizens. I get what you mean, but…
I don’t know if that’s true anywhere, but it’s not true in either of the countries I’ve lived in.
Not a citizen but a resident.
God, I honestly hope they revoke mine. Come what may, I don’t think the general opinion about Russians will change any time soon.
Once I can get citizenship in another country, I’m gonna publically burn my russian passport - but not earlier
I’d advise against it if purely for ease of life in your new home country. Some, like UK require you to still have dealings with your previous country.
For example if i want to change my surname to my wifes name, home office demanded that i change the surname in my original passport first. They even say that if you need to physically go to your country of origin to do so, you have to unless they will kill you (for example persecution of LGBT). But i donno what kind of proof they would need to support this claim.
I have a strong suspicion that “burned my passport as a statement” would not qualify, even if it means supporting a terrorist state with cash (because consular services are paid by cash in 3rd world countries.)
this depends on your situation. If you did seek asylum from russia, you won’t be asked to “have dealings with your previous country”. You will even be asked not to have any.
They provided me with a list of exceptions but these were all relatively vague and could be interpreted in many ways. For example “wanting not to support a terrorist state financially” was not on the list. Just saying that there may be a benefit to keep at least the expired passport. Maybe in which ever country op goes to, they might have more sensible rules than here.
Russia is not part of the UN convention that forbids making a person stateless, but I don’t think that would have mattered anyway.
As a stateless person, you can seek asylum in almost any European country.
You can get Brazilian citizenship if you are statelessness, here’s an article about it . Iirc, you can do this from anywhere on the world, but doing it from inside brazillian territory would make it easier.
Why should life be over?
There are just some rights that you don’t have anymore. Some duties, too.
Uhhh afaik stateless persons generally live in prisons or airports
Only in rogue countries.
Like Australia.
Hmm, I didn’t even consider the taxes part
This country? What exactly is this?
US defaultism is hard in this one.
It’s mentioned further, this country is Russia, and I’m still stuck in here
Found this article from a US gov’t site that talks a lot about this, kind of interesting to read.
This is a webpage from a guy who voluntarily because stateless. https://identityunknown.org/3e7/Introduction_A_series_of_life_experiences_by_Glen_Lee_Roberts_before_and_after_he_became_Voluntarily_Stateless
Wait, you are trans and in Russia? That seems like reason enough to flee, I wouldn‘t wait until they become aware enough of you to strip your citizenship. Maybe Finland would be ok: https://en.seta.fi/human-rights-support/asylum-for-the-lgbt-and-activists/
Good luck, I hope you will be safe.
I honestly don’t know, I remember someone got trapped at an airport once because their country stopped existing while they were there
This is so infuriating. The country didn’t disappear overnight. The land is still there, they could have sent him back. Even if the country was nuked to ashes, they could just accept him as a political refugee.
Tom Hanks made a documentary about it.
Are you talking about The Terminal? Unless he made a second movie about the same guy, the word"documentary" seems like a stretch.
I think they were making the type of joke where people will call movies “documentaries” when they’re really “fiction that can kind of almost be attributed to real events”
See: Idiocracy
Someone recently made me realize that movie is set in a better timeline than ours
See, they have a problem and find the smartest person in the world. Then, even though they think his idea is crazy, they listen to him
That’s also 500 years down the road though, so there’s hope lol
Damnit! They never expected that we would become too stupid to REALIZE THAT WE’RE STUPID!
Woosh
I think they are using the term documentary as a joke.
didn’t some poor cosmonaut get trapped in space because his country stopped existing whilst he was up there?
edit: sergei krikalev
It was someone suffering from a mental illness or personality disorder. They went out of their way to be stuck at the airport. Refused help from family, refused help from a reporter who actually went through the trouble of proving his citizenship. He wanted to be at that airport and live that life.
You should still be able to apply for refugee, asylum, permanent residency, or citizenship in other places. Whether or not that’s realustica and feasible is another issue, but legally, you’re fine: Your citizenship status at home won’t affect your ability to seek a new home.
I suspect the best bet at the moment would be trying to ask Finland for asylum, since they’re not allied with Russia. Getting within their territory might be challenging, though, as I suspect they’ll require identification and/or outright block Russians from entering. Also, I have no idea how to proceed once within a different country. Maybe one of the baltic states might also work?
If you’ve been stripped of citizenship for opposing the war, are you still Russian?
Obviously that’s semantics, and what matters will be whether Finland still considers you Russian, but I think it would be in their benefit to allow entry to former Russians who are explicitly opposed to Russia’s bullshit
I bet even if they tried to deport you, they wouldn’t know where to, since you technically don’t have a home country
What happens is that you become a stateless person, just like the Palestinians once where. I can’t speak for Russian law.
Many palestinians are still stateless world wide around 5 million persons.
That’s still true for a lot of druze I the Golan heights, and while it doesn’t have a drastic effect on their daily lives, traveling abroad is an absolute nightmare