I think all of you are just alt accounts from one and the same person who initially wanted to make Lemmy look more populated to draw in more users. But with time sanity went belly up and now the split personalities are fighting against each other.
I think all of you are just alt accounts from one and the same person who initially wanted to make Lemmy look more populated to draw in more users. But with time sanity went belly up and now the split personalities are fighting against each other.
This is already confirmed and well-established by how they all talk the same.
Admin always wanted it to be a small instance for friends, he was pushed into federating by sunshine, who is beaver and several others as well by my understanding. Then the political situation in the US continued deteriorating, and between the risks, the stalking, and all the general harassment that comes from operating a public vegan community he saw no benefits to keeping it up and shut it down.
You have a temper. You harassed me for running a diet community, you went into my other communities and downvoted everything because you were banned (by your own request) from that diet community. You called me out personally in one of your meme posts.
I don’t hold it against you, it’s the internet. But you are hardly a blameless actor here. As demonstrated by my direct history with you. You hold grudges and you like to fight.
You’re so right, you look so good here compared to me. Gosh, I’m so fucking upset. Woe is me! Despair and agony of the highest caliber is coating my soul in blackness. How can I persist through the heavy weight hoisted onto my being through my own actions!?
Admin always wanted it to be a small instance for friends, he was pushed into federating by sunshine
What the fuck are you talking about? When did this happen, do you have a link? This is bonkers.
sunshine, who is beaver and several others as well
What others?
I sort of hesitate to feed into made-up-from-whole-cloth Lemmy drama, which this definitely seems to be, but I’m giving you enough benefit of the doubt to at least ask for reasons for why you’re saying this stuff.
I’ve talked to hamid outside of lemmy. I’m just sharing what happened as best as I can recall from a perspective that’s not Sunshine’s, since she’s already all over this thread and she was a factor in him deciding to shut it down.
I don’t know what you want from me? Sorry I got treatment for depression? Believe me or don’t, I don’t really care, but that’s why he closed the server if you’re curious.
In most of the world as it should be, the process is:
Someone makes accusations against another person
Someone else asks why, backing behind the accusations
There is a response indicating the “why” because that’s a sensible thing to ask
In toomanypancakes-world, apparently, it is:
Someone makes accusations against another person
How dare you I know I saw receipts but I can’t find them right now anyway I’m disabled so it’s not fair for you to ask that kind of thing but I’m certain that these outlandish accusations I am making are accurate
I’m not asking you to apologize for seeking treatment. I’m asking you to back up the accusations you made. That’s a fair thing to ask you to do, and sidestepping into whining about how I’m oppressing your issues because I am asking for it is bullshit.
I feel silly even asking this, but you didn’t by any chance “push” Hamid into federating when he just wanted it to be a non federated server, did you?
You know what, forget I asked. I feel like I already know the answer to that question and toomanypancakes is just riding their own little dialectical go-kart, for their own ineffable reasons.
Unless that’s evasive sarcasm, I don’t know what it means.
Sunshine has an actual identity off of Lemmy. I don’t know them, but I’ve seen them elsewhere. They are by appearance a real person. Perhaps you know otherwise.
The only thing that connects Sunshine to Beaver that I know about is that one started posting (with an entirely different editorial voice) shortly after the other was harassed off the site. Perhaps you know better.
But if you don’t know otherwise and you don’t know better, I think you’re talking bullshit.
Signed: someone previously accused of being a Beaver alt, and de-modded and banned on that lie. Don’t worry, they figured it out. Figure it out.
Beaver, subshine, aqua, and others are all the same person.
She moderated [email protected] for a while with myself and others. She caused endless drama and became increasingly derranged. After we lost interest in light of the lemmy.world admins anti vegan and antiscientific stance and handed over the community she kept an alt with mod powers. She then used the powers weeks later to cause problems for the new mod.
On vtc she became increasingly derranged and harassy. Appears fixated on Hamid, and constantly posts shit to those dumb harassment/drama communities. Like every little thing Hamid said. It was dumb as fuck, I don’t agree with Hamid on some things but he was just running a chill instance for vegans to enjoy each other’s company.
The admin banned a user who was calmly linking scientific papers and giving gentle explanations to a user belligerently claiming it was impossible yes.
I mean it’s a pretty influential instance since that’s where the lead developers reside. It would be pretty normal for everyone using lemmy to have them “live rent free in their heads”
“live rent free in their heads” doesn’t mean to be aware of someone, it’s talking about obsession. That cm lad constantly tries to bring up “.ml” out of nowhere to incite drama, and I just took a glance at their user profile and holy moly it’s almost entirely just reposting from lemmy.ml.
Like just look at https://lemmy.world/post/30613970/17403019, a content creator is asking them to stop reposting their work to a certain community and telling them how it’s harmful, and cm0002 is just using that as an excuse to handwave it and soapbox. This is unhealthy antisocial behaviour.
That cm lad constantly tries to bring up “.ml” out of nowhere to incite drama, and I just took a glance at their user profile and holy moly it’s almost entirely just reposting from lemmy.ml.
Lol
I don’t do it out of “no where” I generally stick to relevant threads
I have plenty of my own posts. In general, I try to aim for a 1:2 ratio, for every crosspost I post 2 articles/content that aren’t cross-posts (.ml isn’t actually all that busy lmao)
lemmy.ml is probably the biggest threat to the long term viability of the Lemmy-verse. It’s just so amazing(/S) to come across comments out in the wild on say Reddit that goes along the lines of “I tried that Lemmy place, but it seemed to be just a bunch of tankies/run be Tankies” because they had the misfortune to land on lemmy.ml
stop reposting their work to a certain community and telling them how it’s harmful
Yea, harmful to the .ml instance …which is kinda the whole point of a boycott, to put pressure on the target to either change their ways or fall to irrelevancy
Please, do explain how the fluff lemmy.ml was relevant to this thread? All I can come up
with is “I dislike this instance” and “they are leftists” (or so-called leftists).
I’m not stupid, I know that .m(arxist)l(eninist) is a tankie instance. But what the other user stated, that you’ve made it your entire personality to bring it up whenever possible, also rings true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Some people interpret mild criticism they receive as a war crime.
For some reason (I genuinely don’t really know why), this tends to be coupled with aiming wild unhinged criticism at other people semi constantly. When it’s traveling outwards, it’s fine.
It was a long saga of me documenting a few examples of his problematic views on issues, then followed by him reacting strongly towards the reception. He has sent me a group invite on matrix before shutting down the instance which I declined because of the disrespectful language he has used towards me in the past.
VTC has defederated from Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ca and SJW for being “too right-wing”
The user Hamid wont be pleased being discussed on [email protected] again.
Here are some links and screenshots for context on the whole situation:
I almost feel bad for that user they seem to take everything way to personally and that’s not a great headspace on the internet even if you try to curate it into a personal safe space.
The wild thing is, I actually agree with Hamid’s self-described stance he leads off with here, about places like NCD. I unsubscribed from one of the Ukraine communities because they kept posting videos of dying Russian soldiers, and I completely agree with Hamid’s self-expressed horror at the NCD type of video game aficionado “big fan of Russians dying every time” mindset which doesn’t seem to have a lot of understanding of what they’re really rooting for. I definitely can detect some amount of that in my own postings and there are people who take it a lot further than I do.
Where me and Hamid have issues is that he seems to take that type of reaction to anything less than full throated full agreement with literally 100% of what he has to say about anything. He can’t seem to see any kind of discrepancy between “let’s literally kill everyone in Israel they all deserve it, even the toddlers” versus “well Ukraine fighting back isn’t something to celebrate, you know those Russian soldiers are victims too” and he will viciously attack you as a monstrous piece of shit on a personal level if you disagree with either one of those statements.
And then, of course, he’ll combine that with whining extensively if anyone has the temerity to disagree or criticize him on anything. Like yes buddy. I know people who’ve been crippled by the US empire machine. I’m by all means not in favor of it, especially not now. That still means I can tell you to go fuck yourself and your viewpoint in some area where I think you’re wrong. I’m not trying to be unsympathetic but you are extremely unsympathetic to anyone who isn’t you, so it’s hard to take you seriously when you demand super kind treatment from the people you’re simultaneously shitting on and defederating.
This is so bizarre. None of these links back up any of these accusations. All the fire and passion of someone who is proving their case is there, but nothing is actually proved. There’s a claim, and then a screenshot / link, but the link never lines up with the thing being claimed. It’s all just either another thread full of accusations or else some random Lemmy-drama that isn’t related to the claim.
I would ask for detailed proof (What is the output of the python script? You say it proved that Sunshine was using an army of alts, can I see the proof it created? That seems like that would be good to include as long as you’re doing screenshots and etc.), but you say you’re quitting Lemmy, so I guess there’s not a point.
Makes deliberately inflammatory comment to make a point
People are mildly rude in response to the inflammatory comment
HOW DARE YOU, I’M LITERALLY CRYING, I’M GOING HOME FOREVER
1 is fine. 2 is fine. That’s how things work. I have no idea, though, how someone who reacts with 3 expects to be able to manage ordinary day-to-day life. Let alone weigh in on a situation of death and destruction and geopolitical crime against humanity. Like, if this is your bar for what makes you quit, your movement is going to be pretty fucking easy for the establishment to destroy.
I’m not saying that everyone needs to toughen up and put up with whatever treatment they receive. I’m just saying that, in particular since it looks like the #2 response was actually quite a bit milder than the #1 inflammatory original post, the DARVO reaction featured in #3 seems kind of needlessly extra.
I am starting to question the rationale behind admins banning people for being on toxic websites when people can say the same thing about the fediverse itself (take Leniforinstance).
Oops, sorry :p i can see it fine because admins can, didn’t realize users can’t. Here’s a screenshot:
DING DING Hey Sunshine, get a life you fucking loser. It is weird that you are obsessed with me and have to follow me around on Lemmy but I would find something better to do with my time. I wrote this specifically on a week old inactive thread to see how long it would take for you to post this on your harassment sub you sick creep and it actually worked LOL. Having a difference of opinion about anything doesn’t mean you need to follow someone around and post about them and create drama. Making dozens of accounts so you can manipulate Lemmy is truly unhinged behavior. Get mental help you stalker.
This was under a normal megathread for the instance
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
Rules
Any drama must be posted as an observer, you cannot post drama that you are involved with.
When posting screenshots of drama, you must obscure the identity of all the participants.
The poster must have a credible post and comment history before submitting a piece of history. This is to avoid sock-puppetry and witch hunts.
The usual instance-wide rules also apply.
Chronicle the life and tale of the fediverse (+ matrix)
Largely a sublemmy about capturing drama, from fediverse spanning drama to just lemmy drama.
Includes lore like how a instance got it’s name, how an instance got defederated, how an admin got doxxed, fedihistory etc
(New) This sub’s intentions is to an archive/newspaper, as in preferably don’t get into fights with each other or the ppl featured in the drama
Holy shit. This comment section is a train wreck.
possible Spoiler for Season Finale
I think all of you are just alt accounts from one and the same person who initially wanted to make Lemmy look more populated to draw in more users. But with time sanity went belly up and now the split personalities are fighting against each other.
You are also one of the personalities.
The rational personality leaves!
Good, they were a buzz kill, now who wants to overthrow the guvment?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the culprit is Leni/ShinigamiOokamiRyuu again.
Upvoting for thought-provoking spoiler properly marked as spoiler.
The comments have passion I will give them that.
This is already confirmed and well-established by how they all talk the same.
Admin always wanted it to be a small instance for friends, he was pushed into federating by sunshine, who is beaver and several others as well by my understanding. Then the political situation in the US continued deteriorating, and between the risks, the stalking, and all the general harassment that comes from operating a public vegan community he saw no benefits to keeping it up and shut it down.
Really? because I saw them mention they made it because of hexbear.
As far as I’m aware he didn’t initially want to federate with others, yeah.
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VTC was always federated with the other servers.
You can fuck off.
Gosh someone has a temper.
You have a temper. You harassed me for running a diet community, you went into my other communities and downvoted everything because you were banned (by your own request) from that diet community. You called me out personally in one of your meme posts.
I don’t hold it against you, it’s the internet. But you are hardly a blameless actor here. As demonstrated by my direct history with you. You hold grudges and you like to fight.
Sorry Ralimba, I just don’t like when people act like fucking creeps.
Someone has some growing up to do. Hurling insults and petty responses is not a good look for you and Hamid.
You’re so right, you look so good here compared to me. Gosh, I’m so fucking upset. Woe is me! Despair and agony of the highest caliber is coating my soul in blackness. How can I persist through the heavy weight hoisted onto my being through my own actions!?
Truly the perfect emissary for VTC.
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What the fuck are you talking about? When did this happen, do you have a link? This is bonkers.
What others?
I sort of hesitate to feed into made-up-from-whole-cloth Lemmy drama, which this definitely seems to be, but I’m giving you enough benefit of the doubt to at least ask for reasons for why you’re saying this stuff.
I’ve talked to hamid outside of lemmy. I’m just sharing what happened as best as I can recall from a perspective that’s not Sunshine’s, since she’s already all over this thread and she was a factor in him deciding to shut it down.
Why do you think Sunshine and Beaver are the same person?
I didn’t save them so I can’t recall specifics, but I’ve seen receipts. Sorry my info is kinda spotty, since I did ECT my memory isn’t the best.
What a perfectly normal and convincing answer lol
I don’t know what you want from me? Sorry I got treatment for depression? Believe me or don’t, I don’t really care, but that’s why he closed the server if you’re curious.
I was under the impression that he passed along the administration to the server to someone else, I guess he kept the keys to the server after all.
In most of the world as it should be, the process is:
In toomanypancakes-world, apparently, it is:
I’m not asking you to apologize for seeking treatment. I’m asking you to back up the accusations you made. That’s a fair thing to ask you to do, and sidestepping into whining about how I’m oppressing your issues because I am asking for it is bullshit.
They’re not really engaging in good faith here…
I feel silly even asking this, but you didn’t by any chance “push” Hamid into federating when he just wanted it to be a non federated server, did you?
You know what, forget I asked. I feel like I already know the answer to that question and toomanypancakes is just riding their own little dialectical go-kart, for their own ineffable reasons.
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Can you please elaborate on, “by my understanding”
I know beaver is one of her alts, but I can’t be certain on any others.
How?
I’ve seen reciepts. I’m sorry I dont have a dossier precompiled.
Unless that’s evasive sarcasm, I don’t know what it means.
Sunshine has an actual identity off of Lemmy. I don’t know them, but I’ve seen them elsewhere. They are by appearance a real person. Perhaps you know otherwise.
The only thing that connects Sunshine to Beaver that I know about is that one started posting (with an entirely different editorial voice) shortly after the other was harassed off the site. Perhaps you know better.
But if you don’t know otherwise and you don’t know better, I think you’re talking bullshit.
Signed: someone previously accused of being a Beaver alt, and de-modded and banned on that lie. Don’t worry, they figured it out. Figure it out.
Beaver, subshine, aqua, and others are all the same person.
She moderated [email protected] for a while with myself and others. She caused endless drama and became increasingly derranged. After we lost interest in light of the lemmy.world admins anti vegan and antiscientific stance and handed over the community she kept an alt with mod powers. She then used the powers weeks later to cause problems for the new mod.
On vtc she became increasingly derranged and harassy. Appears fixated on Hamid, and constantly posts shit to those dumb harassment/drama communities. Like every little thing Hamid said. It was dumb as fuck, I don’t agree with Hamid on some things but he was just running a chill instance for vegans to enjoy each other’s company.
What exactly are you talking about? Not that cat food thing, right?
The admin banned a user who was calmly linking scientific papers and giving gentle explanations to a user belligerently claiming it was impossible yes.
A simple “yes” would have been enough. But thanks. Your answer shows me who the crazy people are in this whole thing.
The admin literally admitted he did the wrong thing, you just want to hate vegans.
Thank you for your input
I didn’t even notice, lol good riddance they were on their way to making the Tankie Triad the Tankie Quartet lmao
Now, if only we could get .ml to shutdown
We can do worse: make it irrelevant.
Lemmy.ml lives rent free in your head, have a day off pal
I mean it’s a pretty influential instance since that’s where the lead developers reside. It would be pretty normal for everyone using lemmy to have them “live rent free in their heads”
“live rent free in their heads” doesn’t mean to be aware of someone, it’s talking about obsession. That cm lad constantly tries to bring up “.ml” out of nowhere to incite drama, and I just took a glance at their user profile and holy moly it’s almost entirely just reposting from lemmy.ml.
Like just look at https://lemmy.world/post/30613970/17403019, a content creator is asking them to stop reposting their work to a certain community and telling them how it’s harmful, and cm0002 is just using that as an excuse to handwave it and soapbox. This is unhealthy antisocial behaviour.
Lol
I don’t do it out of “no where” I generally stick to relevant threads
I have plenty of my own posts. In general, I try to aim for a 1:2 ratio, for every crosspost I post 2 articles/content that aren’t cross-posts (.ml isn’t actually all that busy lmao)
lemmy.ml is probably the biggest threat to the long term viability of the Lemmy-verse. It’s just so amazing(/S) to come across comments out in the wild on say Reddit that goes along the lines of “I tried that Lemmy place, but it seemed to be just a bunch of tankies/run be Tankies” because they had the misfortune to land on lemmy.ml
Yea, harmful to the .ml instance …which is kinda the whole point of a boycott, to put pressure on the target to either change their ways or fall to irrelevancy
Recap Post
Please, do explain how the fluff lemmy.ml was relevant to this thread? All I can come up with is “I dislike this instance” and “they are leftists” (or so-called leftists).
It’s really quite simple, [email protected] was an up and coming Tankie and was absolutely aligning their instance with the Tankie Triad.
As for why .ml is a “Tankie Instance” in general, and documentation of it, you can see the recap post
I’m not stupid, I know that .m(arxist)l(eninist) is a tankie instance. But what the other user stated, that you’ve made it your entire personality to bring it up whenever possible, also rings true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nah, I’ll take a day off when lemmy.ml either gets shutdown, defederated from or an actual fair and unbiased admin team is put in place.
Good luck with your little crusade.
You aren’t using Lemmy right if you don’t hate on .ml
Now all 105 users are instanceless…
Oh the travesty!
Why was the admin annoyed at you? At most you did some mild critisism of the instance, unless I missed out on something.
Some people interpret mild criticism they receive as a war crime.
For some reason (I genuinely don’t really know why), this tends to be coupled with aiming wild unhinged criticism at other people semi constantly. When it’s traveling outwards, it’s fine.
Hamid is just an asswipe, there are no good reasons to be concerned with.
Good riddance.
Also LOL.
It was a long saga of me documenting a few examples of his problematic views on issues, then followed by him reacting strongly towards the reception. He has sent me a group invite on matrix before shutting down the instance which I declined because of the disrespectful language he has used towards me in the past.
VTC has defederated from Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ca and SJW for being “too right-wing”
The user Hamid wont be pleased being discussed on [email protected] again.
Here are some links and screenshots for context on the whole situation:
https://lemm.ee/post/39131639
https://lemm.ee/post/56371198
https://web.archive.org/web/20250523082426/https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/1129019
https://web.archive.org/web/20250523082609/https://vegantheoryclub.org/u/hamid
https://web.archive.org/web/20250602172829/https://lemmy.ml/post/30508506
I almost feel bad for that user they seem to take everything way to personally and that’s not a great headspace on the internet even if you try to curate it into a personal safe space.
If somone insults you, for example, they are really only insulting the username and profile picture they have, not you.
What did you just say about me?
This is a person who was totally fine with marginalized people getting hurt or worse.
Don’t waste sympathy on someone like that.
The wild thing is, I actually agree with Hamid’s self-described stance he leads off with here, about places like NCD. I unsubscribed from one of the Ukraine communities because they kept posting videos of dying Russian soldiers, and I completely agree with Hamid’s self-expressed horror at the NCD type of video game aficionado “big fan of Russians dying every time” mindset which doesn’t seem to have a lot of understanding of what they’re really rooting for. I definitely can detect some amount of that in my own postings and there are people who take it a lot further than I do.
Where me and Hamid have issues is that he seems to take that type of reaction to anything less than full throated full agreement with literally 100% of what he has to say about anything. He can’t seem to see any kind of discrepancy between “let’s literally kill everyone in Israel they all deserve it, even the toddlers” versus “well Ukraine fighting back isn’t something to celebrate, you know those Russian soldiers are victims too” and he will viciously attack you as a monstrous piece of shit on a personal level if you disagree with either one of those statements.
And then, of course, he’ll combine that with whining extensively if anyone has the temerity to disagree or criticize him on anything. Like yes buddy. I know people who’ve been crippled by the US empire machine. I’m by all means not in favor of it, especially not now. That still means I can tell you to go fuck yourself and your viewpoint in some area where I think you’re wrong. I’m not trying to be unsympathetic but you are extremely unsympathetic to anyone who isn’t you, so it’s hard to take you seriously when you demand super kind treatment from the people you’re simultaneously shitting on and defederating.
They think lemmy.world and lemmy.ca are “neoliberal”?
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This is so bizarre. None of these links back up any of these accusations. All the fire and passion of someone who is proving their case is there, but nothing is actually proved. There’s a claim, and then a screenshot / link, but the link never lines up with the thing being claimed. It’s all just either another thread full of accusations or else some random Lemmy-drama that isn’t related to the claim.
I would ask for detailed proof (What is the output of the python script? You say it proved that Sunshine was using an army of alts, can I see the proof it created? That seems like that would be good to include as long as you’re doing screenshots and etc.), but you say you’re quitting Lemmy, so I guess there’s not a point.
Got shut down after this post on MOG was made:
Which he (Hamid) responded to with this:
This was the last comment he made:
tl;dr: he was sick of getting into lemmy drama
Hey, the picture changed
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1 is fine. 2 is fine. That’s how things work. I have no idea, though, how someone who reacts with 3 expects to be able to manage ordinary day-to-day life. Let alone weigh in on a situation of death and destruction and geopolitical crime against humanity. Like, if this is your bar for what makes you quit, your movement is going to be pretty fucking easy for the establishment to destroy.
I’m not saying that everyone needs to toughen up and put up with whatever treatment they receive. I’m just saying that, in particular since it looks like the #2 response was actually quite a bit milder than the #1 inflammatory original post, the DARVO reaction featured in #3 seems kind of needlessly extra.
One fine example of such:
I looked up the context because I was kind of curious, and I really remembered why I don’t go to those places on the federated internet anymore.
Well, partly because I am banned, but also because it is a hostile waste of time. They are both valid reasons I guess lol.
I don’t blame them, lemmy drama is shockingly toxic as hell. I don’t blame them removing the instance and retiring as admin.
Lemmy as a whole feels very toxic, i don’t blame him at all and wish him the best.
I am starting to question the rationale behind admins banning people for being on toxic websites when people can say the same thing about the fediverse itself (take Leni for instance).
You can say that again.
It can be tiring at times, but it’s unavoidable with a federated model.
Its unavoidable on centralised platforms too.
Oh, indeed. Ironically, it’s much less visible because it’s silenced by the admins.
That link seems to be broken.
Oops, sorry :p i can see it fine because admins can, didn’t realize users can’t. Here’s a screenshot:
This was under a normal megathread for the instance
Sounds like some other stalkers I know who respond to stuff.
B… bóbr kurwa?!
He Bóbr’d his last kurwa 😭
I noticed that vegantheoryclub.org now redirects to that picture on imgur.
I mentioned that in the post :P
My bad. Me not read good.
Imgur link is broken and the links are broken too. Anyone got archives?