I asked if people chose iPhone for the blue bubbles elsewhere a couple days ago, and while there was some good discourse on that post, the blue bubbles definitely also came up as a reason.
In my experience, when people find out my texts are green, they oftentimes would rather switch to a different platform altogether like Instagram or just not text at all.
Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?
It is a pain in group chats. That one green bubble means the chat falls back to basic text. That means I effectively cannot send a video (possible, but unusable quality).
At that point I would rather use something like WhatsApp. Which is fine if everyone in the group has it. At least it is cross platform.
But I am seriously considering buying my sister, who has a cheap husband, an iPhone just so she does not mess up a family group chat.
I can see why people would be annoyed.
Y family is heavily invested in the Apple/iCloud side of things. And having all our phones work together in the same environment is so much less of a headache vs. a mix of apple, android.
Idk why you’re downvoted, you’re right. I mean, I know why you’re downvoted – they aren’t able to separate the corporation trying their hardest to lock people into their walled garden from the corporation’s victims (in lack of a less dramatic word 🫠)
Even the attempt to do that is why I left and will never go back. Iphone parental controls for example you can’t control your kids phone without another iphone or mac.
Try enrolling in MLS season pass without an apple device. It’s extremely difficult and I think only done otherwise with itunes which requires Mac or windows.
How can this 3 trillion dollar company not let you do all this shit via a simple webpage?
I’m sure you know this already but it’s to lock you into their ecosystem, seems like they go one step further and actively exclude non apple users. A simple webpage is exactly what they don’t want because that means they can use the service on a generic device. Think I’ll stay outside of that ecosystem.
If they don’t want to text you because they care what your device is, they’re not friends you want to have.
(this goes both ways. Lots of apple hate in this thread but, wtf, just get on with life folks. if you give a shit what hardware I run, or think i care about your choices, we’re probably not going to be friends).
Seen this sentiment that green bubbles = bad a few times online but never it’s never come up for me. I assume this is a teen - early adult specific issue where the idea is mostly to be part of the group
It’s been happening in high schools, to the point teens are bullied and pushed out of peer groups if they have Androids. It’s frankly disgusting that apple willingly creates this division to profit off teenagers bullying each other, and they don’t get called out for it enough.
But in the larger picture, it’s definitely going to be more common among the young, because iPhones themselves are ubiquitous among the younger. It’s something the tech space is slowly starting realize: Apple has almost total market dominance among the rising demographic, and this has led to increasing tech illiteracy due to the way Apple designs its software, and inability/refusal to learn anything else. That is a huge problem for the tech industry when the only thing they can do to find customers is dumb their software down to appeal to people that don’t know how to use anything other than iOS
Everyone 30 and under at my office prefers Macs, to the point of bringing in their own machines to do 90% of their work and falling back to the Windows laptops issued by IT for the remainder.
To be fair, as a work machine, I far prefer macs. And there’s a reason why Windows has been implementing steadily more and more MacOS features into their OS over time.
I’m a software developer. MacOS is my choice for corporate dev (cause Linux isn’t an option) because it’s Unix based and has a working command line. Windows causes so many problems around dependency installs and frameworks.
Windows is still on my home machines, but they’re edging closer to going linux too.
Windows is emphatically not the same thing as Android. They’re two entirely different OS’s. No doubt you know this, it just seems like you momentarily lost the plot and made it about Windows vs Mac, when what we’re really talking about is iOS vs Android.
They could be accessing virtual workspaces using a company VPN client. Or perhaps logging into a Citrix Receiver Workspace. Could probably access a VDI environment as well. 2FA with a work cell etc
Lots of ways for personal devices to be used in the work setting. Would I recommend it or do it myself? Nah. But it can be done.
About that, yes. Not in-depth and not each day, obviously, but I have quite a sizable crowd I deal with on a regular basis. Comes from having a lot of former students I keep in touch with.
It’s still about 30% here in Germany. It is rising though. And I think this is because of “clever” marketing. The highschools here in Germany started forcing parents to buy Ipads for their children a couple of years ago. Children with low income parents get it from the city for free. Nominally it is, because it is “easier to maintain”, but I honestly really doubt this.
These schools are using iPads in place of computer labs. I’m old enough to have actually managed a computer lab, and I can tell you that a fleet of managed iPads is way easier to maintain than a computer lab.
If you think that the reason Apple makes the bubbles different colors is “to profit of teen bullying” then I think perhaps you might want to go back to reddit or Twitter.
Oh c’mon now, Apple and iOS apps have too good of a user experience? That’s the issue? You call it “dumbing down software”, I call it implementing user experience research and design.
I am an Android user but this comment should be taken very lightly. As this is not the cause the truth is that Apple is at fault here for still using SMS as the default messaging protocol. However, with that being said, SMS breaks messages on iPhone and the devices have been geared towards iPhone users in away that makes it seem like Android is the issue with image quality and texting. The marketing is excellent on Apple’s end towards the competition and it is working.
However, that doesn’t mean iPhone isn’t the problem. I have a sibling who got bullied for having an iPhone. Apple’s answer to these problems is just, “get an iPhone.” This is equivalent to, “can’t figure it out? Just Google it.” The problem with this mentality is it gives more power to monopolizing platforms. Apple is a growing giant and if they had their way you would just have an iPhone and if Apple has expressed anything in the past 8 years it’s that they aren’t exactly the innovators with mobile devices anymore. To me the problem is on an iPhone nothing would change.
A little irrelevant rant but my point is that the average iPhone consumer has been given a marketing ploy so it is a deal breaker because they think it is an issue and in all fairness it is one but only Google is trying to fix. Issue is that Google should have tried to fix it years ago. You can’t blame iPhone users for wanting to use other platforms to message you if your message is compressed heavily by Apple’s shitty and stupid fucking decision to keep using SMS to control the market. The care about user experience is overshadowed by the desire to use that as a means to make money off of a user that doesn’t understand messaging protocols. Fuck Apple.
Keep using SMS? What are Apple’s other alternatives, exactly? RCS is still a mess, the only way it has e2ee is if you use Google’s messaging app, and there’s no way you will see Apple adopting Google’s standard without having a say in it, and rightfully so - Google locks tons of proprietary features out of their APIs - EXIF data for Photos, Categories in Gmail, etc.
I think this is actually more of a comment on Google’s lack of direction with messaging - how many different messaging apps have they sunset by now? Half dozen or so? Messaging has always been a cluster on Android. WhatsApp is supposedly e2ee, but they have backdoor bugs being patched on a nearly basis - ask Jeff Bezos how his dick pics got hacked.
I mean you can install Google messaging apps on iOS (not that I would want to use them…). But try that the other way around. Apples option to not using SMS would simply be to provide iMessage for Android. Problem solved. They would very likely become the main messaging platform by doing so. Currently the majority of the market is likely split between WhatsApp, Telegram and WeChat.
But obviously they fear that this would hurt iPhone sales. At the same time this also leads to iMessage being irrelevant in the majority of markets where iPhone isn’t as dominating as in the US.
Problem are the Android users as well that refuse to adopt messaging apps just as much.
Standard protocol on Android is SMS as well. RCS behaves differently from carrier to carrier and many Android phones still don’t support it by default.
Even if RCS worked perfectly fine, if Apple doesn’t want to use it, than RCS is just as worthless as iMessage, when it comes to cross-platform communication.
If anybody wants to judge me based on the brand of electronics I use, my favorite band or the brand of clothes I wear, I have no interest in interacting with them lol. This whole consumerist worship-culture is just toxic.
The worst thing you can do as a consumer is be (blindly) loyal to a brand.
E.g. I like Columbia jackets, footwear, outdoor wear, etc. If however their quality goes down, or there is another comparable product that happens to be on sale (and assuming I like the look/style) I wouldn’t NOT get it because it isn’t a Colombia product.
Also Columbia owns brands like Prana and Mountain Hardware, so if you want higher quality stuff that’s still basically Columbia, you have plenty of options.
Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?
I think this is one of the most ridiculous, cringe-worthy things I have read in a long ass time.
I also have to say that I have no idea how anyone puts up with iphones. I have both and the iphone experience from a UI perspective is just awful. Yeah, the screen is nice, the battery life is good, the camera is excellent, but holy crap is this phone infuriating to use. You can get Android phones with just as nice hardware, but then you don’t need to deal with that terrible iOS user interface. How is this such a popular device, I will never understand it.
Also, why the FUCK is the iphone so goddamn heavy?! It is smaller than my Samsung and noticeably heavier in my pocket. Just everything about this device is annoying.
Weirdly, the limitations of my iPhone are part of what makes it good for me. Because it lacks a lot of “power user” features like split screen multitasking, I actually end up using it less.
I appreciate that using my phone is frustrating sometimes because I put it away faster. Big plus for my adhd ass.
My other reason is the comparative privacy benefit of apple services vs google services. Apple equivalents of google things work a little less well but they harvest a lot less personal data.
the limitations of my iPhone are part of what makes it good for me
Dude, you understand that hearing this as an outsider, this reads exactly like what (no offense) brainwashed people would say, right? Again, no disrespect, but admitting that a device is more limited and somehow spinning it to be a positive is not really a positive to an outside observer. That just sounds like marketing spin.
People can use whatever the heck they want, but seeing as how I have both devices of a similar age (so one isn’t an ancient iPhone versus a brand new high end Android, or vice versa), it aggravates the hell out of me every time I have to pick up the iPhone.
Battery is definitely a longevity concern on iPhones. Most people I know with iPhones are tethered to a charger when traveling or camping and other heavy use days.
But I mean also, despite right to repair concerns, apple has a large network of first party service centers that will do battery replacement for old phones at a pretty reasonable price.
Plus with modern fast charging, it never feels like much of an issue. I get basically all day battery from a 20 minute charge during my morning coffee.
Wasn’t Apple the one that kickstarted the trend of non-replaceable batteries? And glued-in batteries that you need to take the whole phone apart? And also the trend of serialising batteries to phone so that you can only use 1st party ones and they’ll scream error messages at you?
Before the stinking iPhone, you could buy a new battery for 20€$£ and swap it in 20 seconds. Apple isn’t the good guys for now charging you who knows how much for a service that’s designed to get you to buy a new phone.
Despite that, people typically keep their iPhones much longer than they keep android phones. 3 years of software support is considered good for androids. iPhones get 6
People keep saying that, but when I look around, I mostly see either 5-years old 2nd hand phones with all kinds of cracked screens, or 200€ Samsungs that you get with a 15€ contract.
I could theorise that people keep Iphones longer because they cost a grand, while you can get a perfectly serviceable Android for 200. Except that’s not what I’m seeing either. Most people who buy new iphones are shallow shampoo fanatics who need to have the latest bling, and shell our 1600 every year for a new X Pro Max Ultra Gold Fart. And the “old” one than goes to someone else for 1/3 the price, who might indeed keep it for 5 years. But the same goes with Android too anyway.
Basically I wouldn’t be surprised if all that was another myth Apple keeps in circulation to make themselves look better. Just like that iMessage nonsense.
I agree, but I think the problem for Android comes from the fact that since Google never set minimum hardware requirements early on, any Chinesium company could throw together ultra crappy components and say they have an Android device. So a lot of early low-spec phones were indeed really shit.
Imo the problem was rather that early Android was hastily thrown together shit. Phone makers just made it worse with unoptimised drivers and bloatware.
Personally I find the OS of android super infuriating. IOS just works out of the box the same way it has for 10+ years. Spent 10 minutes trying to figure out where apps were stored on android and then decided I’m happier with iOS.
To each their own. But IMO, iPhones are nice. The navigation via swiping is cool. The Android navigation is killing me. That’s a reason I’m considering going back to iPhone. I mean the iPhone just has nicer swipe animation. And this is coming from someone that had android for a long time prior to iPhone 7.
However, the iPhone’s texting is done through Apple’s own network. Which is good or bad depending how you look at it. So while the color is not the issue for me, the color tells me if it’s going through network provider or through Apple’s own network.
I also like that iPhone has a visual voicemail for free. It also goes through Apple’s network. Again, this is good or bad depending how you look at it.
Finally, I’m currently using an Android phone. I just don’t like Apple’s removal of fingerprint sensor. Miss the days where we had tons of phones to select from each with their own unique features.
I have a Samsung and I have amazing swipe gestures and great customizability for what I want each one to do. I have 12 total swipe gestures (up, in, down, long or short, from left or right side) that I can set to a whole slew of actions. It’s been really amazing! If you’re on a Samsung I recommend you check out the “One Hand Operations +” application (I believe it’s on the Galaxy store, not the play store) along with maybe a different launcher if you want more visual customization. It’s what really boosted my experience of this phone.
To be fair, I’ve heard people say the same thing about android. That the interface is infuriating to use. I think once one gets accustomed to one, the other is foreign enough to be annoying.
You can customize an Android device to more mimic an iPhone. You can’t do the opposite. This one example highlights the massive differences between the phones.
The problem with iPhones is that they are not flexible. Android devices can be customized (though it’s getting harder to do so effectively now) so they look, feel, and function differently. Meanwhile iPhones really feel like Apple has some incentive to make sure that you can only do exactly what they say you can do, which is not as much.
Which appeals to users who may accidentally change something or want something to be good and easy right out the gate. I wouldn’t recommend an android to someone very technically incompetent, and I prefer android to iOS any day
I think they’re both infuriating. Especially when both try to copy each other. Phone UI designers must have all died out in some catastrophe in the early 2010’s.
It may sound weird, but your choice of phone does say something about you. I have to say I am dismayed when I see an iPhone in someone’s hand. I may understand their reasons, but still. I can imagine it works the other way around too.
I mean, to take it to the extreme: I remember a Reddit debate about a married couple, where the husband was an open source, anti-corporate advocate, and the wife wanted to fill their house with Amazon Alexa speakers.
20 years ago, your choice of brand for TV or camera wouldn’t matter much, but now it can indeed be a big deal.
This is just weird to me as someone who has used Apple products for 17 years now. I literally couldn’t care less what someone uses and if they’re shallow enough to judge me based on what phone I use I wouldn’t want to know them.
As a grown adult I’m maybe only accept this attitude from a young high-school student or preteen.
Maybe it’s just that I’ve met too many i-users who are so full of themselves in this really annoying way, and often using owning/not owning Apple against other people.
Or when you look at all the obnoxious duckface / beach ball butt / Popeye biceps mirror selfie pics - 999/1000 are with iphones.
After a while… One just begins to be on guard.
Guess I’m… Phone-ist? Like that, but man I still think it’s more about me hating those kinds of people. Sorry that you get to be associated with them.
(Now to be frank, Apple isn’t helping it either for promoting the elitism. Remember the “I’m a Mac” ads? They want people to believe they’re better if they use Apple. And the bubble color is well documented too.)
That’s fair, I haven’t really met anyone like that so it’s understandable how obnoxious that is. I just enjoy using the products for my own reasons, has nothing to do with any kind of “flex” so presenting it in that way would would be off putting.
Not wanting to talk to you, because your text bubbles are the wrong colour? Sounds a bit cultlike in behaviour. I daresay I don’t know anyone like that. But, I also don’t know too many people with iphones any more. Also I don’t really use text messages. For text I’m using whatsapp or signal (or for techie types maybe matrix).
I find it easier to convince Apple users to use another app like Signal to group chat with Android users instead if they really don’t want the green bubble.
Alternatively, you can get a secondary iPhone just to use iMessage, but carrying 2 phones does get annoying.
It’s not a strict deal breaker for me, I use an Android myself. But I will definitely preach to people the differences between Apple and Android, because in the US there is a vast divide and for some reason they think that it’s a status symbol to have an Apple device, and they will boast like it’s some great thing. It’s super fun to pull up the hardware specs and show them that my phone Beats there new iPhone in almost every category. Then I end it with saying that both systems have ups and down, apples biggest Pro is going to be their interface, but if you are a techie or want actual control over the phone itself stick with Android. Most of the “incompatibilities” between the two systems, are Apple generated, meaning that they’ve gone out of the way in some way to actively forbid it. Bluetooth is a perfect example of this, Apple devices support it for audio transfer and Airdrop uses Bluetooth for its transfer medium, but you can’t transfer files strictly over Bluetooth because the functionality has been intentionally removed to allow the walled garden state.
It’s kinda funny because both sides have a skewed view of the other. I see apple users as less tech-savvy and generally more of the “general” population (see: normies).
Eh even for Android most people are normies to the point where I wouldn’t see the simplification that normies use Android an incorrect one. Sure android probably has a higher % of non normies but even then I doubt it’s a high percentage.
Assuming by android we mean the android flavour that came with their phone
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It is a pain in group chats. That one green bubble means the chat falls back to basic text. That means I effectively cannot send a video (possible, but unusable quality).
At that point I would rather use something like WhatsApp. Which is fine if everyone in the group has it. At least it is cross platform.
But I am seriously considering buying my sister, who has a cheap husband, an iPhone just so she does not mess up a family group chat.
I can see why people would be annoyed. Y family is heavily invested in the Apple/iCloud side of things. And having all our phones work together in the same environment is so much less of a headache vs. a mix of apple, android.
Idk why you’re downvoted, you’re right. I mean, I know why you’re downvoted – they aren’t able to separate the corporation trying their hardest to lock people into their walled garden from the corporation’s victims (in lack of a less dramatic word 🫠)
Even the attempt to do that is why I left and will never go back. Iphone parental controls for example you can’t control your kids phone without another iphone or mac.
Try enrolling in MLS season pass without an apple device. It’s extremely difficult and I think only done otherwise with itunes which requires Mac or windows.
How can this 3 trillion dollar company not let you do all this shit via a simple webpage?
I’m sure you know this already but it’s to lock you into their ecosystem, seems like they go one step further and actively exclude non apple users. A simple webpage is exactly what they don’t want because that means they can use the service on a generic device. Think I’ll stay outside of that ecosystem.
If they don’t want to text you because you don’t have an iPhone they’re not friends you want to have.
If they don’t want to text you because they care what your device is, they’re not friends you want to have.
(this goes both ways. Lots of apple hate in this thread but, wtf, just get on with life folks. if you give a shit what hardware I run, or think i care about your choices, we’re probably not going to be friends).
Maybe the post has been edited between when you posted and now, but that’s not what OP is saying.
He’s saying that people don’t want to use SMS. They want to message him via some other platform.
Honestly, I’m the same way. I don’t like SMS and talk to my friends on Android via WhatsApp.
Especially for group chats of any kind, SMS is garbage compared WhatsApp, Signal, or Threema.
Seen this sentiment that green bubbles = bad a few times online but never it’s never come up for me. I assume this is a teen - early adult specific issue where the idea is mostly to be part of the group
It’s been happening in high schools, to the point teens are bullied and pushed out of peer groups if they have Androids. It’s frankly disgusting that apple willingly creates this division to profit off teenagers bullying each other, and they don’t get called out for it enough.
But in the larger picture, it’s definitely going to be more common among the young, because iPhones themselves are ubiquitous among the younger. It’s something the tech space is slowly starting realize: Apple has almost total market dominance among the rising demographic, and this has led to increasing tech illiteracy due to the way Apple designs its software, and inability/refusal to learn anything else. That is a huge problem for the tech industry when the only thing they can do to find customers is dumb their software down to appeal to people that don’t know how to use anything other than iOS
Everyone 30 and under at my office prefers Macs, to the point of bringing in their own machines to do 90% of their work and falling back to the Windows laptops issued by IT for the remainder.
To be fair, as a work machine, I far prefer macs. And there’s a reason why Windows has been implementing steadily more and more MacOS features into their OS over time.
For a personal machine I’d rather Windows.
This is hilarious to me because I’m the exact opposite.
Windows for work (and gaming) MacOS or iPadOS for personal use for me.
100%
I’m a software developer. MacOS is my choice for corporate dev (cause Linux isn’t an option) because it’s Unix based and has a working command line. Windows causes so many problems around dependency installs and frameworks.
Windows is still on my home machines, but they’re edging closer to going linux too.
Windows is emphatically not the same thing as Android. They’re two entirely different OS’s. No doubt you know this, it just seems like you momentarily lost the plot and made it about Windows vs Mac, when what we’re really talking about is iOS vs Android.
…I feel like bringing personal machines to work in order to do work is causing chaos with IT and network security
They could be accessing virtual workspaces using a company VPN client. Or perhaps logging into a Citrix Receiver Workspace. Could probably access a VDI environment as well. 2FA with a work cell etc
Lots of ways for personal devices to be used in the work setting. Would I recommend it or do it myself? Nah. But it can be done.
BYOD has been a huge shift in corporate IT over the last 10-15 years; mostly because if people bring their own gear, you don’t have to lease it.
How do you think Citrix is still in business?
Perhaps in the US but it’s not so pronounced elsewhere. I think I only know one person with an iPhone.
But you don’t understand! The USA is the entire world! Everybody else in the world is just like Americans or wants to be!🙄
I know five people with iPhones here. I interact with almost three orders of magnitude more people than five…
You interact with 5000 people?
About that, yes. Not in-depth and not each day, obviously, but I have quite a sizable crowd I deal with on a regular basis. Comes from having a lot of former students I keep in touch with.
It’s still about 30% here in Germany. It is rising though. And I think this is because of “clever” marketing. The highschools here in Germany started forcing parents to buy Ipads for their children a couple of years ago. Children with low income parents get it from the city for free. Nominally it is, because it is “easier to maintain”, but I honestly really doubt this.
These schools are using iPads in place of computer labs. I’m old enough to have actually managed a computer lab, and I can tell you that a fleet of managed iPads is way easier to maintain than a computer lab.
Yeah easier to maintain lmao. You mean to spy on their students.
If you think that the reason Apple makes the bubbles different colors is “to profit of teen bullying” then I think perhaps you might want to go back to reddit or Twitter.
What a ridiculous statement.
Oh c’mon now, Apple and iOS apps have too good of a user experience? That’s the issue? You call it “dumbing down software”, I call it implementing user experience research and design.
I am an Android user but this comment should be taken very lightly. As this is not the cause the truth is that Apple is at fault here for still using SMS as the default messaging protocol. However, with that being said, SMS breaks messages on iPhone and the devices have been geared towards iPhone users in away that makes it seem like Android is the issue with image quality and texting. The marketing is excellent on Apple’s end towards the competition and it is working.
However, that doesn’t mean iPhone isn’t the problem. I have a sibling who got bullied for having an iPhone. Apple’s answer to these problems is just, “get an iPhone.” This is equivalent to, “can’t figure it out? Just Google it.” The problem with this mentality is it gives more power to monopolizing platforms. Apple is a growing giant and if they had their way you would just have an iPhone and if Apple has expressed anything in the past 8 years it’s that they aren’t exactly the innovators with mobile devices anymore. To me the problem is on an iPhone nothing would change.
A little irrelevant rant but my point is that the average iPhone consumer has been given a marketing ploy so it is a deal breaker because they think it is an issue and in all fairness it is one but only Google is trying to fix. Issue is that Google should have tried to fix it years ago. You can’t blame iPhone users for wanting to use other platforms to message you if your message is compressed heavily by Apple’s shitty and stupid fucking decision to keep using SMS to control the market. The care about user experience is overshadowed by the desire to use that as a means to make money off of a user that doesn’t understand messaging protocols. Fuck Apple.
Keep using SMS? What are Apple’s other alternatives, exactly? RCS is still a mess, the only way it has e2ee is if you use Google’s messaging app, and there’s no way you will see Apple adopting Google’s standard without having a say in it, and rightfully so - Google locks tons of proprietary features out of their APIs - EXIF data for Photos, Categories in Gmail, etc.
I think this is actually more of a comment on Google’s lack of direction with messaging - how many different messaging apps have they sunset by now? Half dozen or so? Messaging has always been a cluster on Android. WhatsApp is supposedly e2ee, but they have backdoor bugs being patched on a nearly basis - ask Jeff Bezos how his dick pics got hacked.
I mean you can install Google messaging apps on iOS (not that I would want to use them…). But try that the other way around. Apples option to not using SMS would simply be to provide iMessage for Android. Problem solved. They would very likely become the main messaging platform by doing so. Currently the majority of the market is likely split between WhatsApp, Telegram and WeChat.
But obviously they fear that this would hurt iPhone sales. At the same time this also leads to iMessage being irrelevant in the majority of markets where iPhone isn’t as dominating as in the US.
Problem are the Android users as well that refuse to adopt messaging apps just as much.
Standard protocol on Android is SMS as well. RCS behaves differently from carrier to carrier and many Android phones still don’t support it by default.
Even if RCS worked perfectly fine, if Apple doesn’t want to use it, than RCS is just as worthless as iMessage, when it comes to cross-platform communication.
If anybody wants to judge me based on the brand of electronics I use, my favorite band or the brand of clothes I wear, I have no interest in interacting with them lol. This whole consumerist worship-culture is just toxic.
The worst thing you can do as a consumer is be (blindly) loyal to a brand.
E.g. I like Columbia jackets, footwear, outdoor wear, etc. If however their quality goes down, or there is another comparable product that happens to be on sale (and assuming I like the look/style) I wouldn’t NOT get it because it isn’t a Colombia product.
Also Columbia owns brands like Prana and Mountain Hardware, so if you want higher quality stuff that’s still basically Columbia, you have plenty of options.
The same is true of many other companies.
I guess it kinda is. Insofar that anyone who cares about vapid shit like that probably isn’t friend material.
But it also sounds like a thing I need to tell my kids to which they reply something like “dad, you don’t get it. You fucking boomer.”
I mostly use Apples but what the fuck is this?
No!
Yes, but it’s a feature, not a bug.
It’s a super low investment and quick way to identify people you should avoid.
I think this is one of the most ridiculous, cringe-worthy things I have read in a long ass time.
I also have to say that I have no idea how anyone puts up with iphones. I have both and the iphone experience from a UI perspective is just awful. Yeah, the screen is nice, the battery life is good, the camera is excellent, but holy crap is this phone infuriating to use. You can get Android phones with just as nice hardware, but then you don’t need to deal with that terrible iOS user interface. How is this such a popular device, I will never understand it.
Also, why the FUCK is the iphone so goddamn heavy?! It is smaller than my Samsung and noticeably heavier in my pocket. Just everything about this device is annoying.
Weirdly, the limitations of my iPhone are part of what makes it good for me. Because it lacks a lot of “power user” features like split screen multitasking, I actually end up using it less.
I appreciate that using my phone is frustrating sometimes because I put it away faster. Big plus for my adhd ass.
My other reason is the comparative privacy benefit of apple services vs google services. Apple equivalents of google things work a little less well but they harvest a lot less personal data.
Dude, you understand that hearing this as an outsider, this reads exactly like what (no offense) brainwashed people would say, right? Again, no disrespect, but admitting that a device is more limited and somehow spinning it to be a positive is not really a positive to an outside observer. That just sounds like marketing spin.
People can use whatever the heck they want, but seeing as how I have both devices of a similar age (so one isn’t an ancient iPhone versus a brand new high end Android, or vice versa), it aggravates the hell out of me every time I have to pick up the iPhone.
Note the part where I said “for me”.
I’ve had plenty of different smartphones over the last 15 years. Most have been android.
I happen to currently be very happy with my iPhone.
My s23 ultra totally smokes iphones on camera quality, battery life, and screen. UI is of course subjective and people like what they’re used to.
Compare using a 5 year old galaxy to a 5 year old iPhone tho. Hard to beat the iPhone longevity and software support
Battery is definitely a longevity concern on iPhones. Most people I know with iPhones are tethered to a charger when traveling or camping and other heavy use days.
But I mean also, despite right to repair concerns, apple has a large network of first party service centers that will do battery replacement for old phones at a pretty reasonable price.
Plus with modern fast charging, it never feels like much of an issue. I get basically all day battery from a 20 minute charge during my morning coffee.
Wasn’t Apple the one that kickstarted the trend of non-replaceable batteries? And glued-in batteries that you need to take the whole phone apart? And also the trend of serialising batteries to phone so that you can only use 1st party ones and they’ll scream error messages at you?
Before the stinking iPhone, you could buy a new battery for 20€$£ and swap it in 20 seconds. Apple isn’t the good guys for now charging you who knows how much for a service that’s designed to get you to buy a new phone.
Despite that, people typically keep their iPhones much longer than they keep android phones. 3 years of software support is considered good for androids. iPhones get 6
People keep saying that, but when I look around, I mostly see either 5-years old 2nd hand phones with all kinds of cracked screens, or 200€ Samsungs that you get with a 15€ contract.
I could theorise that people keep Iphones longer because they cost a grand, while you can get a perfectly serviceable Android for 200. Except that’s not what I’m seeing either. Most people who buy new iphones are shallow shampoo fanatics who need to have the latest bling, and shell our 1600 every year for a new X Pro Max Ultra Gold Fart. And the “old” one than goes to someone else for 1/3 the price, who might indeed keep it for 5 years. But the same goes with Android too anyway.
Basically I wouldn’t be surprised if all that was another myth Apple keeps in circulation to make themselves look better. Just like that iMessage nonsense.
No corporation is the “good guy”
Every product has trade offs and it all depends on what you personally value in your device
True, so let’s not praise them for creating a problem and selling you the solution.
I agree, but I think the problem for Android comes from the fact that since Google never set minimum hardware requirements early on, any Chinesium company could throw together ultra crappy components and say they have an Android device. So a lot of early low-spec phones were indeed really shit.
Imo the problem was rather that early Android was hastily thrown together shit. Phone makers just made it worse with unoptimised drivers and bloatware.
Personally I find the OS of android super infuriating. IOS just works out of the box the same way it has for 10+ years. Spent 10 minutes trying to figure out where apps were stored on android and then decided I’m happier with iOS.
You simply swipe UP. Done and done.
To each their own. But IMO, iPhones are nice. The navigation via swiping is cool. The Android navigation is killing me. That’s a reason I’m considering going back to iPhone. I mean the iPhone just has nicer swipe animation. And this is coming from someone that had android for a long time prior to iPhone 7.
However, the iPhone’s texting is done through Apple’s own network. Which is good or bad depending how you look at it. So while the color is not the issue for me, the color tells me if it’s going through network provider or through Apple’s own network.
I also like that iPhone has a visual voicemail for free. It also goes through Apple’s network. Again, this is good or bad depending how you look at it.
Finally, I’m currently using an Android phone. I just don’t like Apple’s removal of fingerprint sensor. Miss the days where we had tons of phones to select from each with their own unique features.
I have a Samsung and I have amazing swipe gestures and great customizability for what I want each one to do. I have 12 total swipe gestures (up, in, down, long or short, from left or right side) that I can set to a whole slew of actions. It’s been really amazing! If you’re on a Samsung I recommend you check out the “One Hand Operations +” application (I believe it’s on the Galaxy store, not the play store) along with maybe a different launcher if you want more visual customization. It’s what really boosted my experience of this phone.
To be fair, I’ve heard people say the same thing about android. That the interface is infuriating to use. I think once one gets accustomed to one, the other is foreign enough to be annoying.
You can customize an Android device to more mimic an iPhone. You can’t do the opposite. This one example highlights the massive differences between the phones.
Absolutely. I’m an android user and prefer android over iOS. But customizability isn’t something everyone values.
The problem with iPhones is that they are not flexible. Android devices can be customized (though it’s getting harder to do so effectively now) so they look, feel, and function differently. Meanwhile iPhones really feel like Apple has some incentive to make sure that you can only do exactly what they say you can do, which is not as much.
Which appeals to users who may accidentally change something or want something to be good and easy right out the gate. I wouldn’t recommend an android to someone very technically incompetent, and I prefer android to iOS any day
I think they’re both infuriating. Especially when both try to copy each other. Phone UI designers must have all died out in some catastrophe in the early 2010’s.
It may sound weird, but your choice of phone does say something about you. I have to say I am dismayed when I see an iPhone in someone’s hand. I may understand their reasons, but still. I can imagine it works the other way around too.
I mean, to take it to the extreme: I remember a Reddit debate about a married couple, where the husband was an open source, anti-corporate advocate, and the wife wanted to fill their house with Amazon Alexa speakers.
20 years ago, your choice of brand for TV or camera wouldn’t matter much, but now it can indeed be a big deal.
This is just weird to me as someone who has used Apple products for 17 years now. I literally couldn’t care less what someone uses and if they’re shallow enough to judge me based on what phone I use I wouldn’t want to know them.
As a grown adult I’m maybe only accept this attitude from a young high-school student or preteen.
Maybe it’s just that I’ve met too many i-users who are so full of themselves in this really annoying way, and often using owning/not owning Apple against other people.
Or when you look at all the obnoxious duckface / beach ball butt / Popeye biceps mirror selfie pics - 999/1000 are with iphones.
After a while… One just begins to be on guard.
Guess I’m… Phone-ist? Like that, but man I still think it’s more about me hating those kinds of people. Sorry that you get to be associated with them.
(Now to be frank, Apple isn’t helping it either for promoting the elitism. Remember the “I’m a Mac” ads? They want people to believe they’re better if they use Apple. And the bubble color is well documented too.)
That’s fair, I haven’t really met anyone like that so it’s understandable how obnoxious that is. I just enjoy using the products for my own reasons, has nothing to do with any kind of “flex” so presenting it in that way would would be off putting.
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This is 100% real for young people. It’s sad and stupid. At least they can easily figure out who will be a crappy friend.
Not wanting to talk to you, because your text bubbles are the wrong colour? Sounds a bit cultlike in behaviour. I daresay I don’t know anyone like that. But, I also don’t know too many people with iphones any more. Also I don’t really use text messages. For text I’m using whatsapp or signal (or for techie types maybe matrix).
I find it easier to convince Apple users to use another app like Signal to group chat with Android users instead if they really don’t want the green bubble.
Alternatively, you can get a secondary iPhone just to use iMessage, but carrying 2 phones does get annoying.
It’s not a strict deal breaker for me, I use an Android myself. But I will definitely preach to people the differences between Apple and Android, because in the US there is a vast divide and for some reason they think that it’s a status symbol to have an Apple device, and they will boast like it’s some great thing. It’s super fun to pull up the hardware specs and show them that my phone Beats there new iPhone in almost every category. Then I end it with saying that both systems have ups and down, apples biggest Pro is going to be their interface, but if you are a techie or want actual control over the phone itself stick with Android. Most of the “incompatibilities” between the two systems, are Apple generated, meaning that they’ve gone out of the way in some way to actively forbid it. Bluetooth is a perfect example of this, Apple devices support it for audio transfer and Airdrop uses Bluetooth for its transfer medium, but you can’t transfer files strictly over Bluetooth because the functionality has been intentionally removed to allow the walled garden state.
I’ve had people shit on me for not being able to “afford” an iPhone. I have an $1800 Galaxy Fold, thanks.
It’s kinda funny because both sides have a skewed view of the other. I see apple users as less tech-savvy and generally more of the “general” population (see: normies).
Eh even for Android most people are normies to the point where I wouldn’t see the simplification that normies use Android an incorrect one. Sure android probably has a higher % of non normies but even then I doubt it’s a high percentage.
Assuming by android we mean the android flavour that came with their phone
Not to mention that any problems caused by green bubble lack of compatibility are Apple’s fault, not Android’s.
Which country are we talking about?
I barely know people using iOS, much less being elitist about it.
I’ve heard this bubble thing is only truly relevant in the US. Here in Brazil we mostly use whatsapp…unfortunately
Every country has a preferred chat platform it seems. I remember when I lived in Japan about a decade ago everyone used Line
Hey, at least WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted.
By meta, assume anything sent is readable my a meta employee.