I asked if people chose iPhone for the blue bubbles elsewhere a couple days ago, and while there was some good discourse on that post, the blue bubbles definitely also came up as a reason.
In my experience, when people find out my texts are green, they oftentimes would rather switch to a different platform altogether like Instagram or just not text at all.
Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?
I worked at a phone store for 4 years and even though many people will say they dont care much for you having an android they will freak out the moment you say you have one. First thing they say is GREEN BUBBLES and then I have to deal with a rant on why they are iphone and what I use instead of so and so app.
I have seen so many instances of people who are happy with their Pixel or other Android device being forced to switch to an iPhone because the rest of their family uses iPhones, and it’s specifically because of iMessage. It’s really sad.
I know with family people also greatly value “Find My”. Especially parents and their children. I’m very well versed in iOS and android as I’ve had both. Google Maps location sharing is ok but not the same as “Find My”.
I was about to say. Over here 90% of text communications are over WhatsApp. That’s a huge problem for a variety of reasons, but everyone is green bubble.
Same, I don’t think I ever sent an SMS since I got a smartphone. I also agree that relying on WhatsApp for communication isn’t the best, which is why I’m trying to gradually push myself out of there to move towards a more privacy focused messaging apps, knowing full well that I may be cutting off myself from a lot of people.
In the US SMS is still the standard, it’s infuriating. Phones are starting to switch to RCS. I’ve tried a bunch of times to convert my core group of friends to Signal and it’s like talking to a brick wall.
Americans are sometimes really superficial, unknowingly or taught since child. You can see something very similar in HK. The City is known for people being really superficial due to culture and the economic pressure on them. Marrying or dating purely rich money and status is pretty main stream
It’s more, “oh, that video clip looks like shit, and every time anyone on this chat likes something, everyone gets spammed a repetitive long-form explanation, and we can’t add Jimmy to the chat because it’s SMS now and AT&T limits it to 10 people, and …”
In the bad old days, SMS was incredibly limited. Apple came out with iMessage, which was both a full IP messaging client with rich features, but seamlessly fell back to SMS, and that was amazing, because a lot of the people you wanted to talk to only had SMS. Google briefly had a similar thing, but whoever ran that product lost the weekly pistols at dawn match that Google uses to set corporate strategy, and hangouts lost SMS integration, which meant you needed two message apps — one for IP messages that was good and a separate one for SMS that sucked. And they were completely separate — no shared threads or history or anything. And then hangouts was killed anyway to make room for chat, or meet, or duo, or allo, or jello, or J-Lo, or Oreos, or who the fuck knows anymore-oh. And so for several years, if you wanted the only thing anyone in the US ever wanted from a messaging app, you had to get an iPhone, because Google kept killing their apps every year like, “hey guys, our new app still can’t talk to your mom, but we integrated the “hot dog or not” feature from Silicon Valley into it, and isn’t that amazing?”
Now, it doesn’t matter, because no one is limited to SMS anymore. Everyone could be on whatever IP platform. But Google still picked a fucking standard built by the phone company with crappy baggage attached like requiring a phone number to use it, and anyway, they’re so late that everyone already picked iMessage. Even if RCS was as good, no one wants to change a bunch of stuff to be no better than when they started, and RCS also still isn’t as good.
It is a pain in group chats. That one green bubble means the chat falls back to basic text. That means I effectively cannot send a video (possible, but unusable quality).
At that point I would rather use something like WhatsApp. Which is fine if everyone in the group has it. At least it is cross platform.
But I am seriously considering buying my sister, who has a cheap husband, an iPhone just so she does not mess up a family group chat.
You can have a preference, even a strong one. You can also discuss it with people. But shutting people out because of their phone? That’s a major personality red flag anyway.
It’s a bummer that anyone is made feel this way about the phones they use. I’ve been an iOS user since my first smartphone and could not give less of a fuck if you are as well or if you use Android. Most of my friends are Android users and our message threads, video messaging, etc is all fine. I feel like I see this thread a lot on every platform and the comments section is just a place for people to vent about how much they hate the other operating system (and most of the time they have never even used the other lol).
I’ve had an iPhone for a long time and I’ve never got a person sending me a SMS. All I get are automatic messages about deliveries and stuff. I guess iMessage is more a thing in the USA?
Not only that. There are plenty of iphones, but America is the one that uses SMS. Most countries use other apps, such as WhatsApp, Telegram and maybe stuff like Facebook Messenger (I mostly use WhatsApp and Telegram). I’ve never texted anyone using SMS except just to see if it works lol. But people in America primarily use SMS.
American here, never used any of those apps. Only use iMessage. Don’t see a point in giving my information to another 3rd party. WhatsApp/FB Messenger are incredibly insecure (and meta reads your data and will provide it when subpoena’s), telegram is questionably so.
Plus nobody else over here uses them, so there’s no need.
Yeah, I know. Almost all other countries do though. I just don’t appreciate the fact that Android and iOS are not equal when it comes to messaging in US. It almost makes me think I’d have to buy an iPhone alongside my Android to have a good experience there. And that’s just dumb. But tbh I’m not thrilled about moving to US anyway and will hopefully never face that issue unless I go there for a master’s degree lol
Yeah, I’ve never even heard of anyone using imessages here in Finland.
It’s mostly Discord or Whatsapp like you said and then maybe Teams for work and Signal with those few more tech savy friends.
Don’t care about bubble colours, tbf I can probably change that with Android… user modification like this is one of the reasons I prefer it.
With iPhone, once you have one Apple device, your entire device ecosystem has to be a part of the same walled garden… or they don’t play nice with each other. Also, imo while Apple devices are often good quality, they massively overcharge for it (considering the cost to assemble and produce the hardware).
What model is your iPhone? Maybe it’s something they looked at with newer ones, over the years I’ve never had a drama free experience transferring files from PC to Apple device (or vice versa). In the most extreme case, my clients Apple device would reliably reboot the PC when connected.
Checking in here, 14 pro max and no issues using it with my windows desktops (though I don’t plug in often). I just maintain a mega account to use for file transfer between any of my devices.
My solution for cross-platform device transfers… create a whatsApp group with one friend who then leaves. Now you have a scratch pad on your phone, with whatsApp web the files can be downloaded to your PC / mac. Feels more streamlined than emailing things to myself!
@Transcendant@BURN I do the same with Telegram. My issue with whatsapp was the file size limit and that if my phone was no longer available i’ve lost it all
Good point… I had to do some wrangling back and forth between devices just to get some old messages screenshotted. I know I could back it up to the cloud but I reaaaally don’t want to do that. Telegram is a good shout, guessing the file size limit is much higher there?
I just know that those 12 people who down voted this are also some of those superficial beings. Like really? Grow up, the products you use shouldn’t have any effect on your ability to be friends with someone. I find it extremely hard to believe that their are full grown adult human beings that believe this is.
I don’t think it’s literally about the color. It’s that SMS has no features. I don’t like talking to people over SMS either. I like modern chat platforms, like Signal and Telegram, that support reactions, high-quality media, receipts, encryption, etc.
Android is switching over to RCS where available, as long as you use the Google Messages app. The default app on a lot of phones don’t support it, but all major carriers in the US do support it. RCS is far superior to MMS or SMS. RCS also supports reactions, receipts, etc, though I’m unsure about whether or not it supports high quality media, but I do know that I’ve had no issues getting good pictures texted to me from other Android users who have RCS. If apple would follow suit, this would be a non issue, but Apple refuses to play ball, so they can use it as a marketing tactic. I’d bet that if they opened up iMessage to Android, there would be a whole lot of people adopting it, just so we’re all on the same page, but yet again, Apple refuses to play nice. This entire thing is Apple’s fault for wanting to keep iPhone users in a walled garden.
I wouldn’t say Android is switching, I’d say Google is switching. There’s no support in Android itself. Third-party SMS apps cannot hook into RCS. There’s limited carrier support. Google is running the RCS relay, and it’s only at the app level, not the OS level. This might seem like an academic distinction to some people, but certainly not to the billion or so users in China, anyone who likes third-party apps, or anyone who prefers deGoogled Android OSes.
Most carriers still don’t support RCS themselves, Apple would need to build their own relay like Google did.
RCS itself is not necessarily E2E encrypted, though Google has hacked that on top if you use their app. This is not an improvement over other closed systems like iMessage. It’s just another closed system.
And because it’s Google, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. Doesn’t work on Google Fi or Google Voice, last I checked.
You couldn’t pay me to adopt another Google messaging platform after they’ve jerked me around endlessly with g-chat/Hangouts/Duo/Voice. I’ll use RCS when it’s truly open and standard. As long as Google is the gatekeeper, I’m out.
The whole system is a mess, largely thanks to Google’s mismanagement.
Please be civilized here! Everyone knows Iphone is ultra expensive and comes with nothing more than the newest android. So no one should care who has what phone! Android can be rooted ( some devices ) iphone can dream about it.
iMessage is only a big deal in the US and maybe Canada. The rest of the world uses WhatsApp and Telegram mostly.
I use several different apps because my friends and family are a good mix of Android and iPhones. I use Blue Bubbles, WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages, Signal, and Meet for “FaceTime” calls.
Yeah, telegram is great for people like myself that use MacOS for work, Windows and Linux, and Android. It works seamlessly across those platforms for me.
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I worked at a phone store for 4 years and even though many people will say they dont care much for you having an android they will freak out the moment you say you have one. First thing they say is GREEN BUBBLES and then I have to deal with a rant on why they are iphone and what I use instead of so and so app.
I have seen so many instances of people who are happy with their Pixel or other Android device being forced to switch to an iPhone because the rest of their family uses iPhones, and it’s specifically because of iMessage. It’s really sad.
That’s absurd.
I know with family people also greatly value “Find My”. Especially parents and their children. I’m very well versed in iOS and android as I’ve had both. Google Maps location sharing is ok but not the same as “Find My”.
This is so American…
“Let me send an SMS, while I ride my horse to go to my bank and do other things that people used to do in 1870.”
“Oh, their SMS color is different! I dislike people with a different color than me.”
I was about to say. Over here 90% of text communications are over WhatsApp. That’s a huge problem for a variety of reasons, but everyone is green bubble.
It’s weird to say but I’d much rather us keep doing this stupid SMS thing before jumping into bed with anything Meta.
Now matrix or signal or something? Sign me up.
Same, I don’t think I ever sent an SMS since I got a smartphone. I also agree that relying on WhatsApp for communication isn’t the best, which is why I’m trying to gradually push myself out of there to move towards a more privacy focused messaging apps, knowing full well that I may be cutting off myself from a lot of people.
In the US SMS is still the standard, it’s infuriating. Phones are starting to switch to RCS. I’ve tried a bunch of times to convert my core group of friends to Signal and it’s like talking to a brick wall.
Does your friend group have no group chat? SMS does not have a group chat feature I think, right?
Usually group chats and media sharing are the features that bring people over to messengers.
Sms group chats just sends an mms.
I mean considering that iPhones have ~50% market share in the US. You can just as much say iMessage is the standard.
Factor in the other messenger services and SMS is probably a pretty small slice of the current text messaging landscape
Green is what means it’s an SMS. Whereas blue is the much more modern iMessage platform.
That’s the point, SMS sucks
Americans are sometimes really superficial, unknowingly or taught since child. You can see something very similar in HK. The City is known for people being really superficial due to culture and the economic pressure on them. Marrying or dating purely rich money and status is pretty main stream
It’s more, “oh, that video clip looks like shit, and every time anyone on this chat likes something, everyone gets spammed a repetitive long-form explanation, and we can’t add Jimmy to the chat because it’s SMS now and AT&T limits it to 10 people, and …”
In the bad old days, SMS was incredibly limited. Apple came out with iMessage, which was both a full IP messaging client with rich features, but seamlessly fell back to SMS, and that was amazing, because a lot of the people you wanted to talk to only had SMS. Google briefly had a similar thing, but whoever ran that product lost the weekly pistols at dawn match that Google uses to set corporate strategy, and hangouts lost SMS integration, which meant you needed two message apps — one for IP messages that was good and a separate one for SMS that sucked. And they were completely separate — no shared threads or history or anything. And then hangouts was killed anyway to make room for chat, or meet, or duo, or allo, or jello, or J-Lo, or Oreos, or who the fuck knows anymore-oh. And so for several years, if you wanted the only thing anyone in the US ever wanted from a messaging app, you had to get an iPhone, because Google kept killing their apps every year like, “hey guys, our new app still can’t talk to your mom, but we integrated the “hot dog or not” feature from Silicon Valley into it, and isn’t that amazing?”
Now, it doesn’t matter, because no one is limited to SMS anymore. Everyone could be on whatever IP platform. But Google still picked a fucking standard built by the phone company with crappy baggage attached like requiring a phone number to use it, and anyway, they’re so late that everyone already picked iMessage. Even if RCS was as good, no one wants to change a bunch of stuff to be no better than when they started, and RCS also still isn’t as good.
It is a pain in group chats. That one green bubble means the chat falls back to basic text. That means I effectively cannot send a video (possible, but unusable quality).
At that point I would rather use something like WhatsApp. Which is fine if everyone in the group has it. At least it is cross platform.
But I am seriously considering buying my sister, who has a cheap husband, an iPhone just so she does not mess up a family group chat.
You can have a preference, even a strong one. You can also discuss it with people. But shutting people out because of their phone? That’s a major personality red flag anyway.
It really is. If someone is willing to be weird about your phone choice, I question the other stuff they might be weird about. Major red flag.
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It’s a bummer that anyone is made feel this way about the phones they use. I’ve been an iOS user since my first smartphone and could not give less of a fuck if you are as well or if you use Android. Most of my friends are Android users and our message threads, video messaging, etc is all fine. I feel like I see this thread a lot on every platform and the comments section is just a place for people to vent about how much they hate the other operating system (and most of the time they have never even used the other lol).
Signal is my preferred messenger right now since I convinced my contacts to move to it. Collects the least and it is private.
There is also Session which is a Signal fork that removes phone number linking.
Matrix for a privacy focused federated messaging system is another option.
My family members all moved over to Matrix about a year ago. It’s been great so far. I also use Signal quite a bit.
I’ve had an iPhone for a long time and I’ve never got a person sending me a SMS. All I get are automatic messages about deliveries and stuff. I guess iMessage is more a thing in the USA?
Most of the world uses Android. The fetish for Apple is a pretty uniquely American thing.
Not only that. There are plenty of iphones, but America is the one that uses SMS. Most countries use other apps, such as WhatsApp, Telegram and maybe stuff like Facebook Messenger (I mostly use WhatsApp and Telegram). I’ve never texted anyone using SMS except just to see if it works lol. But people in America primarily use SMS.
American here, never used any of those apps. Only use iMessage. Don’t see a point in giving my information to another 3rd party. WhatsApp/FB Messenger are incredibly insecure (and meta reads your data and will provide it when subpoena’s), telegram is questionably so.
Plus nobody else over here uses them, so there’s no need.
Yeah, I know. Almost all other countries do though. I just don’t appreciate the fact that Android and iOS are not equal when it comes to messaging in US. It almost makes me think I’d have to buy an iPhone alongside my Android to have a good experience there. And that’s just dumb. But tbh I’m not thrilled about moving to US anyway and will hopefully never face that issue unless I go there for a master’s degree lol
and my generation (from early 90s at least) mostly use discord or whatsapp. not even imessage and thing.
Yeah, I’ve never even heard of anyone using imessages here in Finland. It’s mostly Discord or Whatsapp like you said and then maybe Teams for work and Signal with those few more tech savy friends.
Don’t care about bubble colours, tbf I can probably change that with Android… user modification like this is one of the reasons I prefer it.
With iPhone, once you have one Apple device, your entire device ecosystem has to be a part of the same walled garden… or they don’t play nice with each other. Also, imo while Apple devices are often good quality, they massively overcharge for it (considering the cost to assemble and produce the hardware).
I have five desktop PCs I’ve built, a server, a PiHole, and an iPhone. No issues with them playing nice. I don’t know what you’re on about.
What model is your iPhone? Maybe it’s something they looked at with newer ones, over the years I’ve never had a drama free experience transferring files from PC to Apple device (or vice versa). In the most extreme case, my clients Apple device would reliably reboot the PC when connected.
Checking in here, 14 pro max and no issues using it with my windows desktops (though I don’t plug in often). I just maintain a mega account to use for file transfer between any of my devices.
My solution for cross-platform device transfers… create a whatsApp group with one friend who then leaves. Now you have a scratch pad on your phone, with whatsApp web the files can be downloaded to your PC / mac. Feels more streamlined than emailing things to myself!
@Transcendant @BURN I do the same with Telegram. My issue with whatsapp was the file size limit and that if my phone was no longer available i’ve lost it all
Good point… I had to do some wrangling back and forth between devices just to get some old messages screenshotted. I know I could back it up to the cloud but I reaaaally don’t want to do that. Telegram is a good shout, guessing the file size limit is much higher there?
Exactly, they fuss about blue or green text bubbles, well mine are yellow, deal with it 😎.
People that buy Apple are some of the most superficial beings on this planet.
Who gives a fuck about text bubbles?
Find friends that aren’t so shallow.
I just know that those 12 people who down voted this are also some of those superficial beings. Like really? Grow up, the products you use shouldn’t have any effect on your ability to be friends with someone. I find it extremely hard to believe that their are full grown adult human beings that believe this is.
You make the choices you make, that includes the people you interact with.
I prefer not to interact with paper thin personalities that buy Apple products.
I don’t think it’s literally about the color. It’s that SMS has no features. I don’t like talking to people over SMS either. I like modern chat platforms, like Signal and Telegram, that support reactions, high-quality media, receipts, encryption, etc.
Android is switching over to RCS where available, as long as you use the Google Messages app. The default app on a lot of phones don’t support it, but all major carriers in the US do support it. RCS is far superior to MMS or SMS. RCS also supports reactions, receipts, etc, though I’m unsure about whether or not it supports high quality media, but I do know that I’ve had no issues getting good pictures texted to me from other Android users who have RCS. If apple would follow suit, this would be a non issue, but Apple refuses to play ball, so they can use it as a marketing tactic. I’d bet that if they opened up iMessage to Android, there would be a whole lot of people adopting it, just so we’re all on the same page, but yet again, Apple refuses to play nice. This entire thing is Apple’s fault for wanting to keep iPhone users in a walled garden.
RCS is also a walled garden. Embrace a messenger app that everyone could use today like Signal or Whatsapp
I wouldn’t say Android is switching, I’d say Google is switching. There’s no support in Android itself. Third-party SMS apps cannot hook into RCS. There’s limited carrier support. Google is running the RCS relay, and it’s only at the app level, not the OS level. This might seem like an academic distinction to some people, but certainly not to the billion or so users in China, anyone who likes third-party apps, or anyone who prefers deGoogled Android OSes.
Most carriers still don’t support RCS themselves, Apple would need to build their own relay like Google did.
RCS itself is not necessarily E2E encrypted, though Google has hacked that on top if you use their app. This is not an improvement over other closed systems like iMessage. It’s just another closed system.
And because it’s Google, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. Doesn’t work on Google Fi or Google Voice, last I checked.
You couldn’t pay me to adopt another Google messaging platform after they’ve jerked me around endlessly with g-chat/Hangouts/Duo/Voice. I’ll use RCS when it’s truly open and standard. As long as Google is the gatekeeper, I’m out.
The whole system is a mess, largely thanks to Google’s mismanagement.
Not a big texter anyway but I’ve never run into anyone who even mentions it outside of techy friends.
Everyone I know uses WhatsApp, and they’re not childish enough for carrying about green or blue bubbles. So weird.
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Don’t get mad just trying to help in case that’s the word you intended to type
Please be civilized here! Everyone knows Iphone is ultra expensive and comes with nothing more than the newest android. So no one should care who has what phone! Android can be rooted ( some devices ) iphone can dream about it.
iMessage is only a big deal in the US and maybe Canada. The rest of the world uses WhatsApp and Telegram mostly.
I use several different apps because my friends and family are a good mix of Android and iPhones. I use Blue Bubbles, WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages, Signal, and Meet for “FaceTime” calls.
Yeah, telegram is great for people like myself that use MacOS for work, Windows and Linux, and Android. It works seamlessly across those platforms for me.