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Always better to date someone in which you share values with.
Always better to date someone that thinks you have rights.
Or who has values at all.
Women won’t date me because I’m ugly :(
You’re right, but I’m not sure you understand the mechanics behind it. You probably think since you don’t look like a gigachad, that you don’t get dates. Women do care about looks sometimes, but not nearly as much as guys tend to fixate on. The quality I hear women trying to find most in a man is decency, followed by personality, shared interests, connection and then yeah, I guess looks.
The trope you’re playing is funny, which is why we keep seeing it in media. A similar trope is seeing a “10/10” girl with a “3/10” guy and saying… “him!?!” Or something about him needing to be rich or something… because women only care about looks. In reality it seems that men think women only care about looks.
So, just keep in mind, if women won’t date you, it has to do with a lot more than your looks. You can take that as a burn, or you can look within yourself, see if you think you have what women want (what I have mentioned) and if so, you’re at the longest and final stage: putting yourself out there.
Edit: just to clarify, I define “decency” with a simple test which is “do I participate in any activities that go against what women are asking have been asking for for decades?” Things like right-wing politics (abortion bans, subservience to men), a livable wage, repect for consent, etc… if the answer is no, you aren’t “decent”. They aren’t asking for power over men, they’re asking not to get raped and to have the bodily autonomy just as men have. They are asking guys not to hypersexualize them from children and try to understand that they aren’t flirting with you at work, they just need to be nice to keep their job, and that they receive a lot of unwanted attention. They’re also asking for guys to take them seriously and a lot of them would want men to know that they don’t bring these topics up because it can create an unsafe situation for them, that it even might have in their past, possibly more than once. We think that we know who men are when we see how they behave around other men. Unfortunately an astoundingly large number of men are abusive to women when other men aren’t around. So yeah, you fail the decency test for politics if those politics harm women.
What if you can’t get dates because you because you’re not attractive… and have severe ADHD or Autism or Dyspraxia, and anxiety disorders so it’s hard to make friends in the first place because of RSD, much less long-term partners
asking for a friend btw
I have ADHD, Adderall has changed my life. Treating your mental health with medication and therapy is critical.
Your very first step should be therapy/medication. We’re all just randos on the internet and won’t be able to give the same personalized treatment as someone who spent the better part of a decade studying this stuff.
Healthy habits will also help. Just 2 hours of walking total in a week makes a huge difference. You can carve out 20 minutes a day and take one day off a week, or do it all in one go on a nature hike. Cut out alcohol entirely if possible, it’s literally poison and exacerbates mental health issues. Sleep at least 6 hours, cut down on processed junk.
Beyond that I recommend finding local social spaces, like a board game shop, and going there when you feel ready. You could reach out to the owners and see if any special accommodations can be made. The hardest part will be walking in the door - the trick I use is to tell myself I’ll just stick around for 1 hour (30 minutes, 5 minutes, whatever you are able) and then leave if I’m having a bad time.
Aside from that, focus on making friends first and often a relationship will organically grow from there. I won’t pretend that it’s easy, but it’s absolutely possible. You are deserving of love and acceptance just as much as anybody else.
Oops I mean your friend lol.
Therapy is extremely expensive, medication is also extremely expensive but worse it screws me up big time because of my GAD/Anxiety and causes me chest pain and cramps (I’d wager the chest pain is related to me having what sounds like angina since I was 7, but iunno, my doctor didn’t find out why)
Social spaces also don’t really exist here, I live in a sort of suburb/commute town so there’s mostly just grocery/department stores and fast food, and I don’t have a car (very expensive) so I can’t get around, there being no sidewalks or public transportation or anything.
Also have extremely bad insomnia, sleep is never guaranteed and I usually wake up in the middle of the night and can’t go back to sleep…
Idk feels like it’s near impossible to make new friends in the first place, not even considering romantic relationships. My only real friends are some of my best friend’s friends (all of who live in different states tho so can’t really do anything with but game) and very few people I’ve met online (they all live in Italy and Texas and stuff, not near me)
Some of these are less so problems with me though and moreso a result of me being broke (even online college is expensive, it’s hard to have excess money)
Speaking of health though, I’ve tried doing basic exercise a lot over the years but my Dyspraxic ass can’t do a push-up without someone placing my limbs in the exact spot they’re supposed to go and showing me how to do it every inch of the way. I do not know anyone to nor have the money for anyone to show me how… the internet also didn’t help me unfortunately.
Thanks though!
The advice to “just be yourself” is the best advice I can give, but I can elaborate. I should mention that I have severe ADHD, that 70% of ADHDers also have Autism (and that I feel I could be in that 70%), and also have some anxiety disorders too. I am also married and have been in poly relationships in the past. Here’s what I didn’t do:
What I did do:
In other words, I was myself… an akward, shy guy with basically zero game. I’m not the kind of guy who is showered with complients for being sexy, even in bed. I’m balding and have a belly. 5’ 10".
There really are people for everyone. Give up looking, and just be friendly / friends with women. Find clubs or activities that you enjoy and do those, especially if they are with others. You may just find people who are curious about you and want to get to know you more. Its so much eaiser talking with women when you see and treat them as equals.
Best of luck to you!
Oh yeah I don’t even look for people to date, I can’t really be with someone that doesn’t know me well. It’s just the American suburbs are possibly one of the worst places for social interaction in general, there’s not very much of a way to meet people that’s not, like, harassing them while they’re trying to get groceries lmao (which is an obvious no).
Tangentially, why I want to live in a less car-centric area, I’m an introvert but damn it’s very isolating when everyone’s either at their house or in cars except when they’re busy. Too much asphalt and no sidewalks/bike roads/public transit and no city center or streets to be able to interact with anyone.
Also most typical people in my experience just don’t like it when those with mainly neurodevelopmental disorders are themselves… this is a shared experience with basically all of my ADHD friends, other people feel irritated or awkward when you don’t actively attempt to cover up ADHD (of course, in my experience).
Thanks!
I guess I should also mention that I am american. And yes the suburbs aren’t great for social interaction, the same goes for cities, though. If you like to drink, you can get some social interaction in a bar, and suburbs have bars, of course cities have more.
But since you mentioned NTs not wanting NDs to be themselves, who cares. Do you really want to be with someone you need to mask around 24/7? What if I told you that I met my wife, married her and then years later we both learn we are autistic. She having been diagnosed, me only speculating because of my ADHD, the comorbidity with Autism and some other clues about me that suggest I might be somewhere on the spectrum.
I never asked anyone who I dated if they were Autistic or not, but thinking back on it there were people who weren’t good fits. One person I can remember broke up with me because I would forget often and she had a nearly photographic memory. My wife and I went to counseling to better understand my ADHD as it seemed to her (reasonably) that I was lying to her.
Moral of the story is you can’t even begin to start finding someone for you until you are your whole, unmasked self. Keep in mind here you still have to be decent. If your stimming is actually inappropriate (e.g. public masturbation) then you will have to keep it legal at a minimum. I hate that I even feel the need to mention that, but I have seen some shit excuses online from people trying to excuse abusive behavior because that person is autistic. These people are usually just trying to be shitty under the guise of having a “a disorder” where they can’t help themselves.
If you have ADHD, my guess is you might have a few hobbies or interests. Do you, maybe in front of others, and just be your ND self. Some people will hate it and others will want to know more about you. People tend to gravite towards people who are “confident” which in this context I mean are confident doing their own thing, despite what anyone else mighr expect. You owe the world nothing.
I was just trying to make a joke. I promise I’m not actually an incel.
I get you. Sorry for the serious reply, it wasn’t meant for you so much as it was meant for other people who unironically feel the same way as you joked.
Are you in therapy, the gym, the sun, etc?
Not judging. It’s fucking hard.
You don’t need to be buff or tan to get girls, but you do need to be healthy and confident.
Absolutely. I’ve been working really hard to improve my health both mentally and physically. I’m down 75 lbs. I’m trying to be the best version of myself.
women won’t date me cause I’m ugly and married :\
This one can be a bit of a barrier.
It doesn’t have to be. Non-monogamy is a thing…
Oh, it’s absolutely a thing. It can still be a barrier, though. Some folks are monogamous for whatever reason.
Yup, nothing against monogamous people
Same here, it’s just not a lifestyle I could get into personally. More power to those who can though!
They already have the power mate. Society largely holds a bias towards their way of life.
ngl, last time some conservative started flirting with me she got pissed of when i said i wasnt interested because they were a tory flag shagger, and then she called me a slur because im queer
Fuck 'em. No wait, don’t.
It’s like how kids throw meaningless insults when throwing a tantrum because they know they can’t win in a proper argument.
This is why I don’t fuck guys who “don’t pay attention to politics”.
That means one thing, and it isn’t that they are blissfully unaware of the day to day happenings in their town, county, state, region, country, or planet of residence.
I bartend. I was working on Easter, and one of our semi regulars came in with a guy that she was obviously on a drink date with. They’d been at at least one other bar before they came in; they’d had a couple drinks, but weren’t past maybe tipsy.
At one point, she mentioned that the reason the last place they’d been to was slow was likely that it happened to be Easter. At the mention of the word the guy interrupted with,
“I REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT ANY POLITICS OR RELIGION!!”
To me this was a sign that this dude cared very much about religion and politics, but just like how scientologists don’t drop the Xenu shit on you right away, he wanted to wait until any prospective partner was in too deep before revealing how abhorrent his views are.
That regular isn’t my favorite person, but I was proud of her for pretty much ending that date after that.
Yeah, that’s another one of those.
I’ve never had anyone who said politics and religion aren’t good conversation actually be worth having those conversations with. Everyone else from every other walk of life has no problem having a nuanced conversation about that stuff, it’s only ever WASPs that get all indignant and force everyone else to stop talking.
One of my coworkers had asked something about trans people and bathrooms, and I started to say my piece, but mid sentence the owner comes back like “under no circumstances are you allowed to have this conversation here”.
Oh yeah, so threatening to say that I don’t care who is in what bathroom if they don’t do anything that violates another guests bodily autonomy.
So controversial and brave.
We’ve spent plenty of time talking about the different racist inspired restaurants in the area and the deplorable dog whistle specials they offer, never cared about that offending anyone.
The restaurant in question was the MoonCricket Grille, and they were offering $0.49 Bud lights after the outrage about them in honor of the 49 who died at the Pulse nightclub.
I hate this place…
That’s literally a bar rule. Lol. Alcohol makes people talk like they are on the internet in real life. Doesn’t make sense to discuss nuance when you’ve been drinking especially with the touchy subjects.
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Eh, sometimes it means another thing, namely that they know their conservatism is off-putting to most women and they’re lying to get you into bed.
That’s exactly what OP is saying
I was responding to the previous comment, not OP. OP was saying conservatives get upset when people won’t sleep with them because they’re conservative. From the text of the comment I responded to, it looks like the person is saying “moderates” just don’t care about anyone but themselves. I’m adding that often the people the actual OP is talking about pretend to be the moderates the previous commenter is discussing.
The person you responded to initially is talking about conservatives hiding that about themselves lol. That’s why they said it the way they did.
Eh, not necessarily. It could mean a variety of different things
It depends on why they don’t pay attention to politics. Personally, I kind of have to go ostrich-mode and bury my head in the sand when school gets stressful because I just don’t have the mental bandwidth to deal with both. I’m not going to judge someone too harshly for protecting their mental health from the absolute shitshow that is the American political landscape.
PS: This is not to say that any degree of modern conservatism is okay. Bigots can go fuck themselves and I’d be out punching Nazis and being a medic at protests if it didn’t jeopardize my future so significantly. (Felony convictions make it really hard to get a medical license and I have to pay off my student loans somehow. Besides, I’ll be in a much better position to make a meaningful difference as a physician than as a heavily indebted student or EMT.)
this. you can pay little attention to politics without being a “centrist” who isn’t actually a centrist. news can be depressing as fuck, i’m hella glad i strongly limited my consumption of them, but that doesn’t mean i’m gonna start both-sidesing shit. (with the exception of tankies vs nazis, because those two are in fact the same authoritarian, anti-west, bigoted crap under different flags that love to larp against each other)
That’s what centrism is supposed to mean anyway. You don’t have to go into the whole both-sides-are-bad nonsense to be a centrist.
meh i wouldnt assume they are conservative just because they say that
I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics and someone who just doesn’t want to argue politics. Someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics at all is too sheltered and doesn’t understand the issues that have been going on and affect a lot of people, so a lot of those people don’t want to date someone who won’t be able to understand something vital to them and that has an effect on their lives. Especially since someone who hasn’t been paying attention likely doesn’t have a lot of the same principles and beliefs.
In my experience, that’s the case 100% of the time. I’ve never once in my 30+ years heard a liberal say the same thing. It’s always
NazisRepublicans trying to deflect and sweep their shitty views under the rug because they think it’s some kind of trump card to get around their awful views and have civilized society allow them back in so they can spread their hate.I mean I was apolitical for most of my life, honestly. Barely followed news at all. It’s just depressing.
No offense, but that’s exactly why we’re currently fighting fascism in America: apathetic folks like you that don’t care. Do you vote ever?
you know just like the “i’m apolitical” copout, there’s a similar copout along the lines of “well i voted (and didn’t do shit all other than that), so my hands are clean”.
Voting is the bare minimum, but if all you do is vote, you’re still a much better person than folks that don’t vote. If you get involved beyond that, even better. But absolutely nothing beyond just fucking voting is required to get involved, but most of the young folks still don’t vote.
I’m not a citizen: I can’t vote.
So why are we having this discussion?
You started the voting thing. I merely said I was apolitical.
This is my go-to response whenever anyone wants to start talking politics with me. Mainly because whenever someone wants to talk politics it’s usually not because they’re liberal and I really hate talking with people who just want to prove that their opinion is the right one.
I’ll admit I’ve used it for similar reasons. What I really should be saying is “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to talk about this right now.” Maybe I’ll even be brave and say “I don’t want to talk about this with you.” but it’s rare for me to find a person I don’t want to hear at all from. That usually comes up because they’ve already made their arguments, and I’ve already accepted or rebuttal the points to my own satisfaction. At that point they’ll talk themselves into circles looking for justification for parts of their stance, but unable to articulate it themselves. I’ll listen to anyone’s views at least once, given I’m in the right mindset, but I still wouldn’t date someone I don’t morally agree with. Life partners should have higher standards than conversation partners, and aligning values is a bare minimum for relationships.
This 100%. To not care about politics means to not care about how the entity with a monopoly on violence wants to take your money against your will and allocate it. If you don’t care about that, then you and I are not going to get along.
Speak for yourself
I pay my taxes with a smile because they mean my neighbours won’t ever be likely show up at my door to steal from me when they don’t have enough to eat. And that my brother can have his cancer treatments without paying the insane costs associated with those treatments. And that my mother can enjoy her garden for the last 20 years of her life instead of working until she croaks.
Or they’re pretending to be blissfully unaware, but secretly hate you for being an independent woman.
Treating people differently because of their beliefs? I’m not even that conservative, but you sound like the real bigots.
“Im not that conservative” said every conservative ever when arguing on a left leaning platform
If someone’s beliefs are a danger to my life or others’ then yep, I won’t be pursuing a relationship with them, romantic or otherwise.
No cause we don’t advocate for them to be punished in any way. We just don’t want to fuck them.
I hope this is a bit.
Excuse me for… *checks notes* …choosing who to pursue relationships with based on our common values or the lack of them.
Phrasing it that way is really solid and makes a lot of sense.
Choosing not to date someone isn’t really treating someone differently, 7 billion people on this planet you’re not gonna date most of them
I also treat racists differently because of their beliefs, as well as sexists. I guess I’m the real bigot here.
Well, no, that’s perfectly understandable, since those people are impacting other people.
But not everyone who has conservative opinions is a racist and a sexist alt-right weirdo.
the lack of free healtcare kills many people every year.
Maybe a small portion, but that just means they’re 100% okay with those as long as the already super rich can be the tiniest bit richer
Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas
… do you think that conservative positions don’t impact other people?
My guy, I can rattle off at least half a dozen conservative bugaboos without which I would be quite literally dead. Don’t give me the “Well, it’s just their opinion!” bullshit.
There is no type of politics that doesn’t affect somebody.
Literally dead? That seems like you’re being dramatic, my guy.
Uh, no, pretty much every conservative politician wants to take away my access to healthcare, which would kill me.
I’m a mentally ill cripple with multiple chronic illnesses and severe social anxiety. I’ve been in spots in my life before where government assistance of multiple kinds has been the difference between life and death. Don’t give me the ‘You’re being dramatic’ bullshit unless you’ve vomited blood to the point of near exsanguination, had to ration life-saving medication, had breakdowns on the side of a freeway, shattered a thigh, went quite literally without food for days for lack of means, etc etc etc etc. In all of those cases, government programs have, at least once and often multiple times, been the difference between life and death for me.
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, I literally could not afford to be alive due to the insanity of the US healthcare system, and multiple chronic diseases which hit me in my 30s and resulted in several ER visits and requirement of very expensive medication. Meanwhile republican politicians pretty much jerk off with glee about taking away my access to healthcare, which would literally kill me. Not sure how “I’m not that conservative! I’m one of the good ones! I just vote for people who want you to die!” folks expect me to feel.
Isn’t it amazing how detached people can be from the real-world effects of their thoughts and beliefs, so long as they don’t get to personally experience their impact?
I’ve personally experienced a universal healthcare system and its effects. It killed a family member and almost killed me.
Sorry for that guy’s experiences, but the sort of things he went through are systems and programmes you’d get in most governments throughout the whole political landscape.
You should 100% treat people different depending on their beliefs.
A response in one link: https://beehaw.org/post/1060695
If the beliefs in question are like, banning books, oppressing gender identities, removing reproductive rights, oppressing the needy, undermining elections with baseless conspiraciesand selling out to the highest bidders, then yeah, they and their beliefs can suck a fuck.
Right? Whenever someone is confused about my dislike of conservatives, they act like I disagree with their tax policies.
Obviously there are bigger things at issue here.
I don’t mind their different beliefs, what matters is the fact that they try to force it on everyone else. You think being gay is bad? Then don’t be gay yourseld. You think getting an abortion is bad? Then don’t get an abortion. But the moment you try to force that on anyone else is the moment you’re inviting the world to shit on you. After all, no one is passing laws to discriminate against straight cis people, or forcing everyone to get an abortion.
I agree. These bigots are no different than the bigots on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I’ll think of you when I punch a Nazi.
Yeah, like Nazis are scared of you.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/410/015/531.jpg
Less than a day between “conservatives arent all bad guys, stop being so mean” to literally defending Nazi’s.
Yea bud, I’ll just go ahead and use you as an example of exactly why people feel the way they do in this thread.
You talk like someone who’s never scrolled through beholdthemasterrace. Are you actually a fuckin nazi bro? You sure talk like one.
My favorite thing is when a conservative finds themselves outside of one their safe-space, echo chambers and are shocked to discover that not only do regular people not agree with them, but they find their views so abhorrent that they actively view all conservatives as complete pieces of shit. And they are not wrong to do so.
When it comes to dating? Yes. Absolutely. Why would you think that beliefs are a non factor for dating?
Not wanting to date somebody is not the same as “treating people differently”. You’re arguing in bad faith
You’ll notice that on the list of things that are illegal to discriminate against, everything is either an immutable part of the person (national origin, race, gender) or is something that is unethical to ask a person to change about themselves (religion).
Political beliefs are nowhere on the list, because they’re not immutable and it’s not unethical to ask somebody to change them.
Discriminating against somebody for their political affiliation or political beliefs is legal and, in some cases, moral/ethical.
(As an aside, this is what makes all the people wanting to discriminate against LGBTQ people on religious grounds so egregious; they always had the right to discriminate against LGBTQ people on political grounds, but that wasn’t enough for them. They had to do it “in the name of God.”)
I don’t think that asking someone to change their religion is unethical, at least if asking them to stop being religious. In most cases, religion is not all that different from politics, with religion being central to various modern and historical states. At best, religion to someone is just a set of unsubstantiated beliefs. In less good cases, they’ll proselytize and be pushy about it and make bad personal decisions and use their religion to justify it. At worst, they use it as a political tool, using it as a justification to be discriminatory and exclusionary. Many wars and other atrocities in history have been for religion or catalyzed by it. Encouraging people to step away from delusion that has a historical tendency to cause mass violence shouldn’t be wrong to do. It’s protected legally in much of the west because it’s useful as a political tool. It’s easier to use religious rhetoric as a way to push other political goals than it is to fight against and let others embrace it the same.
Not wanting to date someone because of their beliefs sounds like a perfectly valid reason. Especially if those beliefs can impact someone’s rights
Would a black person be justified in not wanting to date a white supremacist? Or would you call the black person “the real bigot”?
i’m the real bigot because i dont want to shag someone who happily advocates for making it as hard as possible for me to get gender affirming healthcare and openly supports the neoliberal privatisation that’s devastated my country?
yes i very openly discriminate against conservatives, i have no plans for stopping or apologising
I mean I form all judgements and treat people different based off their beliefs and actions as the former lead to the latter…
When their beliefs include hating me, yeah, I’m going to treat them differently.
That persecution fetish is out and about, huh?
Believe it or not, it’s perfectly normal to only want a relationship with someone who shares your core values. You conservatives (don’t lie) might understand that if you actually tried to have an actual relationship with someone instead of trying to establish ownership over them.
I kinda get a kick out of the ignorance some conservatives bring to the table. It’s almost cute, if not so stupid.
You should read up on the paradox of tolerance, and why Conservative attempts to play the victim card only expose their hypocrisy.
huh??? some people have the belief that women are inferior, its a GREAT reason to treat people differentlyXD what about nazi??
Hello! You have fallen into the tolerance paradox; how can you be tolerant when you’re intolerant to intolerance? Easy I’m tolerant because I don’t tolerate intolerance. Beliefs aren’t equal, anyone who believes in inferiority or inequal treatment for reasons outside ones control should be called out. It is not a live and let live mindset, it’s a “live the way I tell you to or you’re a bigot” doesn’t sound very liberty loving to me. You can dislike it, you can rant, but once you limit peoples access to equal rights and treatment you’re infringing on their rights. Any freedom loving American can respect that.
Conservatives: “We don’t believe that you should have full control over your body and will happily pass laws to prevent you from exercising that control, including laws that will send you to prison for a life-saving medical procedure.”
Women: “oh fuck. Wow. Uh. Okay, I will not be associating with you.”
You: “WOAHHHHH WOAHHHHHHHH WOW CALM DOWN THERE LITTLE MISS BIGOT HOW ABOUT SOME RESPECT FOR PEOPLE HUH?”
Pffft, just means that your beliefs have consequences.
Something something tolerance paradox.
You realise that beliefs are a shifting scale, right? Not everybody with beliefs right of center are alt-right Nazis. I can’t stand those people either.
I used to be similar to you, until I met people with a whole host of opinions. I wish you well.
If 11 people agree to share a table with 1 nazi, you have a dozen Nazis.
How’s the Maths education where you are?
Love a good self own, get rekt nazi.
That’s a civics lesson. That you think it’s about the math is on you.
How’s your English education?
Oof. You’ve just said that you either have an inability to process a simple aphorism, or, worse, you think it’s fine to ally with Nazis, effectively proving the truth of the aphorism.
Better than yours apparently.
We’re discussing ideologies of hate, exclusion, and domination. Such ideologies do not tolerate anything less than absolute compliance. So no, there’s no shifting scale here; your side won’t allow there to be one.
No you don’t, and that’s the whole problem.
Never said you were, but that doesnt mean the cutoff point has to be all the way “out there” for conservative and problematic in the long run.
Besides, what do you even know about “me” given you say you used to “be like me”? You know, well perhaps not nothing but not much. And i too have met people with lots of different oppinions, yet i didnt leap towards the right, quite the opposite in fact. So… if you “used to be similar to me”, well then you’re close to falling into the deep end.
Here is some free advice: careful with what you assume you know about someone you never met before.
Yeah, that’s a fair point about assumption, was a bit silly of me. I’m responding to a few people of the same stance as you so it all kind of blurs into one. Kbin needs some default profile pic rather than a black square.
This kind of shit was a big motivation for me to leave reddit, and now it’s already on Lemmy. Great.
You can have right leaning beliefs and not be a bigot. Hell, I’m not even right leaning but many of my friends and family are. They are not racist, sexist, transphobic… This kind of post just makes the left look childish.
ETA: you can have conservative views and not vote republican. The republican party is a fucking joke.
There’s always Voat you can try, it should line up better for you.
I agree, the “holier than thou” attitude is really gross. I was hoping this was going to be less of an echo chamber than Reddit but it’s starting to look like it’s worse. Let’s blow this popsicle stand bro I’m out of here
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, it’s worth more than any conservative is.
Also lol that the “fReE SpEeCh” crowd cries a fucking river whenever people use that free speech to tell them they fucking suck.
Free speech is the worst possibly way to defend your opinion. Your basically saying “my opinion is valid because it’s not illegal to state my opinion”
Lmao bye Felicia
bye-bye 👋
byeeeeeeeeeeee
If right-leaning, but not bigoted, there is a lot of space within the Democrats for that, and always has been.
Which is less than ideal, as the GOP remains populated by a mix of extremists & the grossly inattentive, Democrats yanked well to the right of centre, and the left utterly stymied.
But, the point remains that if someone is turning a blind eye to the harm being waged against their fellow Americans in favour of some nebulous lean (which the GOP’s consistently do not bother to address anyhow), then arguably they are far worse than a bigot, who at least one can consider to be haplessly hate-filled, rather than blithely lending support to the hate-filled.
“Many of [your friends and family]” vote for legalizing racism, sexism, and now literally the attempted overthrow of the United States of America. If your friends and family vote for that and vote for taking away peoples human rights, they’re terrible people. Maybe they’re nice to you but they’re actively ruining other people’s lives. Your cowardice in continuating to associate with, tolerate, and defend these people and their evil behaviors is childish. “But! but! some of my friends are in the Schutzstaffel, they can’t be all bad!” Grow up.
Please grow up.
Many of my family and some of my um, not quite friends, are conservative, and all are varying degrees of racist, sexist, or transphobic. Granted, that’s just anecdotal, but have a hard time believing people who vote for bigots aren’t somewhat bigoted themselves if they’re willing to throw vulnerable populations under the bus for 0.5% lower taxes or whatever.
But it’s not a deal breaker either.
Sure you can lean conservative but if in the modern era you’re supporting and voting republican you’re either in denial, or complicit. There’s not much the Republicans have in common with conservative values these days.
Exactly. What’s so conservatism about trying to murder congress and overthrow American democracy again, like what happened on Jan. 6? These traitors sure aren’t trying to preserve the Union, that’s for damn sure.
You can absolutely have right leaning views and not be a bigot, but if you vote republican in the current political climate you are.
You just haven’t seen it yet. Try coming out to them as trans, see how that goes for you.
This post doesn’t mention bigotry, racism, sexism, or transphobia. So what are you talking about?
One of the most self-damning things about Republicans is how quick they are to start defending allegations of bigotry, racism, sexism, transphobia, treason against America, etc. upon the first mention of conservatism, without noticing that they’re usually the first to bring up those topics. It’s almost like the very concept of conservatism and bigotry against people for their “station” at birth are inseparable, and any attempt to pretend otherwise is just that: pretend.
people can be disinterested in dating each other for any reason they want, it’s not like you have to reach some level of hatefulness before they can say “i don’t care for your politics and i’m not interested.”
Lemmy was created by communists for communists, conservatives, “centrists” and liberals gtfo out
the entirety of conservativism is openly classist, the entire ideology is built on ruthlessly attacking and stripping away protection for those most vulnerable in society. Besides, just because your family wont openly call me a slur for being trans it doesnt mean they aren’t supporting a party who market themselves on wanting to strip away my rights. Frankly, you cant be pro-american at all without implicitly supporting the horrific crimes they have historically committed whether within their own borders or outside.
I don’t see how people who aren’t racist, sexist or transphobic could vote for conservatives when 75% of Republican campaigning (other than “guns and taxes!”) is focused on being racist, sexist and transphobic. People who aren’t any of those things are turned off by it and would not vote for republicans.
I agree, just wanna point out that this post doesn’t specifically mention the US
I don’t have experiences with politics in other countries, so it would be difficult for me to comment about that.
While true I think, as long as you’re not some kind of an extremist, your political views don’t matter that much, unless you’re in America. Most people have their opinions vary on the political spectrum, some views are conservative while others are liberal. But in America it seems like you’re either 100% liberal or 100% conservative and anything inbetween is hated by both sides. So you have to know if they’re with you or against you.
No, what we look like is people who’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt for ages and gotten fucked for it. We’ve run out of benefit to give. Conservatives are actively hurting people in North America (probably elsewhere too) and we see ourselves and our children on the chopping block if we keep giving leeway. So we’ve stopped. You’ll keep seeing more of this until conservatives stop hurting people. This meme is just a funny reflection of that. Maybe it’s even gonna make some gears spin in some people’s heads.
Exactly! You cannot support that party and be surprised when you get called a bigot. You’re playing with pigs and you smell like shit, bud. Conservative values eventually turn into hateful ideology 100% of the time. Conservatism requires someone to blame for everything, and they never blame the people actually at fault, they blame minority groups that are easy to attack and exploit.
Being conservative doesn’t make you a bigot. Being liberal doesn’t make you a bigot. What makes you a bigot is hating someone just for disagreeing with you, or being part of a different group.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Anybody else hear a dog whistle?
How can we tell the difference?
When the conservatives that’s not bigots keep silent and let qanon do what they want.
Until then we we need more proof when people say “TFG was the best president, but I’m not a bigot”.
Assuming someone is evil just because they like Trump is quite literally bigotry. You shouldn’t hate anyone just because of their ideas. Attack actions and ideas, not people.
Call me a bigot all you want while you stand at the rally with your red cape talking to your chums.
I can ask you another question is Big Brother the enemy?
I’m not calling you a bigot. I’m just saying that everyone here seems to have really extreme opinions, and hates anyone who even slightly disagrees.
Supporting a bigot is bigotry.
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Just supporting some policies of someone who is a bigot doesn’t mean you support their bigoted policies.
Do you know what you call an average person who sits silently at a table with 9 bigots? The 10th bigot.
Or “sleep with dogs and get fleas” if you prefer a direct metaphor
If not being a racist is your benchmark, I don’t even want to know what else your family does.
Your friends and family might not be vocally bigoted, but actions speak louder than words and if they’re voting for a party that platforms on racism, sexism, and transphobia, then they are bigots. I hardly think it’s childish to avoid dating someone who would support a party that wants to strip your rights away.
Also, Lemmy has always been like this. You came to the wrong fuckin’ place, my dude.
Yeah, fuck, the “I’m being persecuted and censored!!” conservatives have shown up, great.
Putting people into boxes doesn’t really help anyone.
People are more nuanced than that.
Depends. I’d say racism is a great box to put people into.
What does being conservative have to do with being racist?
Conservatism by definition is thinking “Things are good right now, let’s not change anything” or even worse: “Things were better before, let’s go back to that”.
The issue is “better for who”? Women, queer people, POC, working class people were NOT ok. Implicitly you can see that conservatism is bigoted by (at a minimum) ignoring or misrepresenting the realities of people they don’t care about. It’s just that lately, more and more conservatives are explicit about it and showing their true colors, but the philosophical underpinnings are the same.
It’s bad to under-represnt issues. But it’s also bad to over-represent issues. The right answer is almost always in the middle.
The stuff you see in the news is carefully selected to show what makes people the most upset, that way it gets the most clicks.
In the past, women were subservient to men, black people were slaves, and being queer wasn’t even allowed. Nowadays, things have improved a huge amount. There are still problems, but nothing like the past.
You are clearly not a victim of these issues and the situation is so alien to you that apparently the only way for you to relate to them is via the news. Violence and prejudice are things that happen to “other people”.
Real people are suffering real oppression every day. Some in a small almost invisible way and others live in permanent fear of violence because of who they are.
That things were worse in the past is no reason to stop progress. And things did get better because people fought for them, often to death.
I hope you are arguing in good faith and have the moral strength to accept you may be blind to some realities and reconsider your beliefs.
lol only one of the cleanest 1:1 correlations there ever was.
😕 Oh, buddy…
Are you joking?
The meme has the conservative saying they’re a conservative though, so they put themselves in the box. There’s not much nuance to that.
This meme wasn’t made by a conservative though. OP put them in the box.
Not really: the meme is mocking people who say they can’t find dates because they are conservative, like these ones (opinion piece but cites sources). So it’s just aimed at people who already “put themselves in boxes”. If they didn’t the whole meme falls apart, since it’s based on a “discrimination” and you have to be aware of what about you is being “discriminated” to complain about it.
Idk if you don’t think LGBTQ+ folks deserve equal rights or think that social programs are “too generous” I’m not really interested in how nuanced the rest of you is.
Not saying that’s your beliefs specifically. Just that enough of us are actively harmed by the results of conservative laws and governance that I’m not really interested in knowing the nuanced part of someone who supports those policies.
Of course everyone deserve equal rights, and yes, the social programs could be infinitely better if we put even more resources towards them.
However, with recent internet restrictions, censorship, and identity politics, we’re also actively being harmed by the left.
That doesn’t mean what the people on the right are doing is any good either, I’m just saying it’s not good to lump everyone into these black and white categories. It creates the weird tribalism we see here.
harmed by the left? internet restrictions??? wtf are you on about?
Ah yes, the radical left rolling out programs like 5 eyes. The radical left that makes it legal for corporations to throw cameras everywhere and deploy facial tracking software. The left who deregulated everything till credit card companies are allowed to determine who can access their money and what you’re allowed to spend it on. That radical left sure does love rolling out censorious police state stuff.
-5 eyes was started in 1946 by democrats
-im not sure what you’re talking about with the cameras, but look at the UK, that surveillance state was started with 5 eyes (the “labour party”)
-if money is the topic, the left wants to create a centralized digital currency to do exactly what you’re talking about with credit cards
-censorious police state “stuff” happened during covid, perpetuated by the left
Remember net neutrality?
I’d like to point out though, that the right doesn’t make great strides either, but I don’t need to give examples of that to people in this thread.
A 2 party system is hot garbage, and it’s about being as divisive as possible to pump up your side.
It’s like a Coke vs Pepsi advertising war
Those parties aren’t left wing…
If Democrats and the Labour party (socialist democrat) aren’t left, then what is?
the Democrats are a primary party in a military cult empire that indoctrinates children with flag rites and coups every government that dares to call itself socialist. I’m guessing you’re part of that military cult and thus don’t understand how insane it seems from the outside.
There are left elements, that sandy man seems to flirt with Democratic socialism, although not very strongly. It doesn’t seem like he has much power though.
Labor in the UK has thoroughly remade itself after Thatcher with the new labour movement which distanced themselves from their unionist and socialist roots. They now don’t have any particularly leftist policies, although they are less right than the Tories obviously.
In Australia labor did a similar thing after the USA couped our only elected socialist government and replaced the labour leader with a CIA groomed dude.
The right is utterly ascendant in global politics and has been since the rise of neoliberal economics under Reagan and Thatcher. That power is beginning to wane, but don’t confuse being left of “we should hunt the homeless for sport” with being a leftist government. Leftism isn’t when shouting slurs gets you tutted at, it’s Democratic businesses and worker owned collectives, nationalised infrastructure, anti imperialism, open boarders, welfare above the poverty line, universal recognition of human dignity etc.
In Australia the most mainstream leftist party would be the greens who hold at most 1 to 3 seats out of 150 regularly. Similarly in the UK I am given to understand. There are more radical parties but they’re even more marginalised.
It’s not about nuance. It’s about deal breakers. For some people, a deal breaker might be something like poor hygiene. For other people, it might be voting for or otherwise supporting politicians who belong to a party that’s actively trying to curtail human rights for anybody who isn’t a white cishet man.
That you or anybody else would find the first example acceptable, but not the second, is ridiculous.
Even the hygiene example can be nuanced.
Is it that they don’t trim their toe nails often, but shower daily?
Is it that their nose hairs are long, but their hair on top of their head is well kept?
Where does this black and white line get drawn?
Everyone from different cultures (micro and macro) will have different answers.
We can all be stuffed into boxes for one thing or another. But I don’t think it’s so black and white.
One problem with nuance is that it can be weaponized to pedantry, not that I am accusing you of doing this, but a common tactic I see among conservative talkers is to focus so much on nuance that they intentionally/inadvertently (depending on the person) avoid the topic all-together. It is clear what the person you are replying to is saying, and it is clear that nuance exists. It doesn’t reinforce your point to point out that nuance exists in everything, of course it does.
That said, I warn you to look for occasions where nuance is meant to obscure the core ideas from being discussed.
Their point is that, in a time where a political party is actively banning books, pushing stochastic terrorism, and continues to put forth people who say and do despicable things openly, it is reasonable to reject all people who can’t or won’t stand up to these actions, under the assumption that the rejecter finds these actions despicable.
Or, put a simpler way, using a completely made up example. If I were to require a wheelchair to live, of course I won’t date anyone in the “eliminate wheel chair ramps” party, and it would be silly for you to pretend not to be able to see my perspective in that.
Great response, and I see your point.
I agree that books shouldn’t be banned, but also probably not all books belong in schools, but should still be purchasable (which I believe is the case you’re referring to in Florida)
I don’t agree with the coercion and censorship that took place during covid, which is why I would lean away from being left. That being said, women (and everyone else) should have full autonomy of their bodies, which is why I would lean away from being on the right.
Nuance can also be something that brings us together, because I think most of us do have some common ground somewhere.
I think you missed the point where I said “it’s not about nuance.”
I’m not claiming my examples don’t have nuances, I’m claiming that many (most) people have things on which they won’t compromise. Standards, if you will. Those standards may have nuance, but they remain uncompromising.
To use your examples, if “not trimming their toenails enough” is a deal breaker for someone, then the nuance of “but they shower ever day” doesn’t matter.
Because it’s not about nuance. It’s about deal breakers.
Fair enough, it’s not an issue if you think blanket statements are good enough to be deal breakers.
I just hope that kind of black and white way of thinking doesn’t lead to any resentment, and leaves room for individualism.
You should date someone with at least some reasonable overlap of ideals. If you wish to have a family unit, like conservatives certainly do, you need to have common ground and mutual respect or you will end up with yet another single mother raising a potentially negative statistic and father losing his child or bailing.
I feel attacked now lol
Do you not have an overlapping fundamental agreement with your partner about how the world works and what’s moral values are most important?
Like you’re not gonna agree on everything I know, but “are some people inherently better than others, should a justice system focus on punishment or rehabilitation, is education valuable for society, was the earth created by evolution or God, do you want kids(+ a couple questions if “yes”)” are, in my mind, things you need to agree on with the person you intend to share your life with.
Oh no, you gotta figure out what sort of situation works for you. It is beneficial to find someone that has some overlapping ideals as yourself, heck most of your friends and you probably already have some overlap you may not have thought about.
So what you’re saying is: relationships require respect? Yeah, that’s one reason a lot of leftism is built upon respect for one another. Conservatism, the best I can understand stand it relies on feeding an outdated lie that there are multiple classes of people, some being better and more deserving than others.
But yeah, you don’t respect your partner you lose your partner, but that does not a conservative or conservative argument make.
Dude on the right should be saying “I wouldn’t date you either.”
That’s not true; I’d date someone I could reasonably discuss fiscal policy about taxation with.
So maybe it’s not so much they won’t date you because you’re conservative and more that you’re openly embracing fascism…
Why is it the only time I ever hear the word “fiscal” is when a conservative is defending their entire half of the political sphere 😂 let’s all look past the human rights abuses and absurd gerrymandering/rigging of the entire democratic system and just think about the “fiscal responsibility” aspect (That, paradoxically, only ever actually seems to drive the national debt up faster when conservatives are in charge)
‘fiscal conservative’ = supports tax cuts for the rich because they believe in trickle-down theory, still, somehow
What could be more fiscally responsible than not paying off your debts?
PPP loan forgiveness for everyone (except the working class that’s not for you you greedy bastards)
Companies=bailed, students=get fucked (fiscal responsibility 😎)
Lol if people have money they can find dates easily, right wing or not.
Hey now – don’t be reasonable, this is the internet!
It’s not unreasonable for a woman to tell someone who votes for people to take away her rights that she doesn’t want to date them
Of course not. What’s unreasonable is the tribalistic, us vs them attitude based on poorly applied labels that leave no room for constructive discussion.
People calling themselves “Conservatives” these days are actually reformers who are about the least conservative bunch you’ll ever find. No true
Scotsmanconservative would join a death cult.Except they still call themselves conservatives and they still keep voting for people who openly state they want to oppress women and minorities
You can’t explain your way out of it the mask is off. If you identify as conservative in modern America you are undeniably supporting fascist ideologies.
The hinges on the meat chasm closed for all conservatives on 24 June 2022.
What happened that day?
Roe v. Wade overturned.
Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade
Jesus… It’s been a year already?
Please m’lady, just a crumb of pussy?
Why does the choice of a few select people mean that a huge number of people are now terrible?
78% of republicans are pro-life.
Anti abortion*
When you don’t actively kick out the terrible people in your group, you are making a choice to say “this is something I am willing to tolerate.” So I’ll ask, if you are a conservative and recognize that there are bad actors in your conservative party, are you calling out those bad actors? Or just putting your head down and joining rank and file because your party told you to?
Also, it’s basically impossible to get rid of supreme court justices, and for good reason. It allows them to rule on cases based only on what they legitimately believe to be the correct decision. The supreme court’s job isn’t to decide right from wrong, it’s to decide legal from illegal. If you don’t like their ruling, the way to change it should be through Congress, not though the courts.
I wish I was this blissfully ignorant.
What other reasons would they have to make the rulings they do?
I’m not a member of a political party. I vote for candidates, not parties. If you just vote for a specific party, which ever one that may be, that’s lazy. I don’t care if they’re republican or democrat, I care about what they value.
Also, you can’t really actively kick out member from a party, all you can do is just not vote for them.
This is so hilariously uneducated to the current political situation that I really hope you’re arguing in bad faith instead of just that stupid.
It doesn’t matter what the political situation is, you should vote for specific candidates, not just blindly vote for your party, whichever one that may be, and then call anyone who doesn’t fully support your party evil.
You seem like an idealist, which I have some respect for, but you also have to account for reality. And the reality is, we don’t really vote for individual candidates anymore. We vote for one party or the other to have an additional vote. Elected politicians hardly ever vote outside of their party anymore. It’s not ideal but it is reality. If you vote for multiple candidates of different political parties, you’re just making noise.
And that’s a bad systematic problem. But voting based on the candidate should help to slowly fix it. While there is a very clear difference between democrat and republican, there are still differences between candidates of the same party.
If you vote only for the candidates that are closest to the center, then candidates will compete to be closer. But if you just vote for a party, then the candidates have to no incentive to compete.
Natural selection?
Lol making up arguments in your head again?
It’s pure projection. They put up a wall thinking that they’re the ones choosing, but they’re actually the ones that aren’t attractive to others because of the black-and-white way they see the world.
No u
Everything they bitch about is a projection
Everything conservatives bitch about is a generalisation
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/question-keeping-trump-loving-men-night-why-won-t-women-ncna1273594
lol
This has to be a joke right? What kind of opinion piece is this? I swear the left is just as intellectually bankrupt as the right.
lmao, I remember you. Don’t you have an ancient LGBT conspiracy to be chasing?
It ain’t a conspiracy if it’s happening in front of your own eyes. Any thoughts on the gay song about ‘coming for your children’? I’m sure you’re going to say it’s just tongue-and-cheek humor.
My answer to that song would be: We live in a multicultural world and if you don’t teach your kids to accept other peoples choices they say that they will.
The more bigoted parents are, and the more parents say “Stay away from them!” the more teenagers are drawn to the LGBT community and will see that its their parents that’s wrong.
Ooh, what’s the conspiracy?
I’m kinda pissed my lesbian sister has been keeping it from me.
Sounds like you’re suffering from an acute case of ‘feels before reals’ to me.
Not particularly surprising or shocking that women are less likely to date men who vote conservative. Ignoring the simple fact that the data suggests America is becoming less tolerant of intolerance, and that conservatives are increasingly out of step with majority opinion, the recent abortion thing is a real lady boner killer, as is making excuses for a convicted sex offender.
Says the people that say that trans men have no advantage in women’s sports? I think you’re projecting here.
What data is there to prove that? Nothing. Even if that were true, I would be glad that they don’t get hoes that sleep around with other guys.
That is funny coming from the folk that support MAPs.
Straw man. I never said trans men have no advantage. Keep to the topic at hand, rather than trying to go on a tangent. It’s transparent, and many will assume you’re doing it because you know you can’t win the argument.
Conservative guys complain about women not wanting to date them. People date people they share values with.
Assuming non-conservative women are all ‘whores’ who sleep around is incel nonsense. If they’re choosing not to date conservative men, a large proportion of men, if anything they’re being selective. The opposite of being promiscuous. Data also suggests young women have less sex than previous generations. Most sex happens in long term stable relationships.
If you assume the rest of us know what a MAP is, you’ve likely spent too much time in an echo chamber. It’s pretty weird if I’m honest, like if someone mentioned a scientology term and assumed average people knew what they were talking about.
But you’re not happy about it, are you? Be honest with yourself. You wouldn’t call them whores if you were happy about it. You would live and let live.
Go to any online community full of incels and you’ll see they’re all conservative - and that their conservative ideals have a huge impact on how they treat women.
Incels have less to do with politics and more to do with personal experiences they’ve had. You’re bringing in politics where it doesn’t belong. If they start waving the LGTV flag, that still isn’t going to get them pussy.
Why are you asking me? Did you read what I said? Ask the incels why they repeat conservative positions in their communities.
Blue haired women with penises won’t date us? Your terms are acceptable.
Being a bit hyperbolic. The kernel of truth is that the women filtering themselves out of the conservative dating pool are doing those men a favor.
The feeling is mutual
I wish the rest of the conservatives would agree with you, but here they are banging on about ‘women shouldn’t be able to divorce their husbands’ and whining online about ‘the great replacement’ because we don’t want to fuck them
Lol, I swear - “you’re taking our rights “ I’m not sure what rights they’re bitching about but I’m assuming it’s abortion this time. To take away your abortion rights someone has to be willing to nut inside you first.
There’s lots of people willing to do that, your sexual preferences do not map to the whole of humanity
Yea, somehow I don’t believe the “lots of people” part
Good lord the replies to this are sad. Believe it or not it’s a perfectly reasonable expectation to only want to date someone whose core beliefs align with yours (and, y’know, actually respects your rights as an independent human being.)
This is what so many of them think. If they really don’t have a problem dating someone left leaning it either means they get off on tearing down strong women or don’t really know what they believe and are still just parroting mommy and daddy’s beliefs.
It’s fine to have dating preferences. The issue is when people who are just calling anyone who is conservative leaning terrible. If you don’t agree with someone’s political ideology, you should just respectfully disagree, not call them a terrible person.
Also, calling people evil for their options is a terribly way to convince them to change, it just makes them get really defensive. If you want to convince someone to change opinion, you need to have a respectful, insightful discussion.
What if they’re espousing, either directly or by association, terrible things? Is that not the appropriate time?
Well it’s a bit difficult to “respectfully disagree” when someone wants to take away my rights.
Being conservative doesn’t mean you want to take away people’s rights.
Okay that’s great you don’t support that but the party you say you support is doing exactly that.
I don’t support any party. But I do support not attacking people based on their opinions.
What are your opinions? Who is attacking you?
Conservatives aren’t evil, but they are bad cooks, and worse lovers.
Conservatives don’t clean their own underwear, and they cheat in CS:GO.
That has nothing to do with conservatism.
I think they know that. It’s a joke
The meme here didn’t even call anyone evil. That said, if you guys don’t want to be called evil, stop supporting evil shit.
Conservative policies not only rob women of the rights to their own bodies, it gets them killed too. Either conservatives openly support this or they’re somehow too naive to see what the politicians they vote for are doing, and both are good reasons for women to stay the hell away from them.
Just being conservative leaning doesn’t mean you are far right, and agree with everything the conservative party does.
what else are they doing that you’re for? please be specific
I’m genuinely curious what reason someone has to support them. Like genuinely. I look at Republicans and am like how the fuck can anyone that isn’t rich and in power be on that side? And then I remember the very potent tactics of fearmongering
“trans people shouldnt exist”
“can you believe poeople calls us EVILL???”
How do you have a respectful or insightful discussion with someone uninterested in being respectful or having insight?
How do you explain the suffering caused by separating children from parents at the border to someone who doesn’t see those people as human? To someone who thinks they deserve to suffer for existing in the wrong color of skin? At what point do you call a spade a spade?
but they are?? they advocate for oppression of any other group thats not them. why would you respect a person that wishes your disappearance???
Being conservative learning doesn’t mean you want to oppress people. It means you want less government regulation.
I hate to tell you this but that is the definition from like 30 years ago. If you look at their behavior now, they do the exact opposite (see basically any policy they’ve passed in the last 2 years)
The news will only show what makes you the most angry. Here is an unbiased list of republican bills that were passed. Just because you see the extremes of a group more, doesn’t mean that everyone in that group is extreme.
It’s not the numerous postal service designations that people are pissed at though. It’s the bills that are making my friends flee the state that people are rightly pissed at. Not every republican is an extremist, but the extremists have control over the party and the rest of the party seems completely fine with them at the wheel. Either it’s extreme apathy or tacit agreement.
except for of women’s bodies, more of that please
regulations like " you cant discriminate against minorities" ?
Depends on the specific person. I totally agree that discrimination of minorities shouldn’t be allowed. You can be conservative without being racist.
But being racist isn’t an automatic loss of a vote for most conservatives. Sure - You can be conservative and not racist, but if you are voting for conservatives who are racist… What is the difference?
What exactly is the GOP doing that is racist? Isn’t racism explicitly unconstitutional? If a candidate was racist, I wouldn’t vote for them.
But I haven’t seen explanations for what they do that is racist. It’s just people who are calling them racist, and saying you’re dumb if you don’t think they’re racist.
Conservatives are actively supporting the oppression of LGBTQ people, however, and voting for far-right politicians
Not everyone who has some conservative opinions wants to oppress people and vote for far-right politicians.
As someone with a right-wing father and a left-wing mother: for fuck’s sake date people with your same beliefs. Deep disagreement on something like that is NOT something you can build a trustful relationship upon.
Holy shit, I can’t imagine being in such a relationship even just for a small amount of time. Having kids with someone I fundamentally disagree with is just on another level.
I guess if you’re not into politics/news at all, it can kind of happen. 🤷
Admittedly, we’re not in the US so the divide is much smaller, but Jesus Christ listening to them arguing over half the stuff that came up on TV has definitely not been a pleasant experience.
There are a lot of trad women looking for these dudes, it’s just that these dudes are often… rather undesirable for other reasons
“in looking for a woman who will respect my core beliefs as an independent human being, which include not treating her like an independent human being”
https://www.tiktok.com/@catchupnews/video/7242761139581488426
The comments under that vid are fucking hilarious. If I go any further left I’ll fall off the universe, but I also live a self-reliant life in the forest where I chop my own wood, fetch my water from a creek, run and maintain solar installations, and treat my wife like the wonderful human she is. All while being the traditional provider and ‘manly’ man. My truck is big, because it needs to be when you are building a house and homestead with your own hands.
And all these parking lot cowboys in their spotless lifted trucks think that these values are ‘theirs’. Get fucked losers.
I almost dated a conservative but covid saved me.
The moment it hit, her conservative powers went omega level and I was able to dodge a bullet by wanting to vaccinate early
Well, just you wait. You be dead by CHRISTmas 2021. That wat you get to.
Either you be dead or you be turned too zombie to be controlled by Fow-chi Chinese army.
This hole thing poplation control. Wat wuflu dont kill, vaxine will. Or zombie like I said.
Mark my world. Ded by CHRISTmas 2021. Mark my world
Soros. Hoosane Obama. Fow-chi. Biden. CNN. That ur god.
She dodge the bullet.
:p
The really funny part was she was pretty normal until MAGA and the alt right radicalized her via lies
She turned into that shockingly quickly
My best guess is that something was wrong with her that she hid deep inside until it was let out
Probably. Reminds me a lot of the guys back in HS who would be super women positive and “feminist” when girls were in earshot, but say horrendously awful shit when it was “just us guys”(I wasn’t friends with them either, they just thought it was ok to say around guys in general), up to and including rape apologia in at least one instance. All asshole trump supporters now last I knew.
And they wondered why 90% of my friends in HS were girls.
They call it “locker room talk”, I call it “being a complete asshole but too cowardly to do so publicly”
Mark my world got me. I’m picturing her squatting near some building to mark it as hers.
R Kelly style